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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
Is that newsgroup being spammed now? It's been very weird over there for
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
What is the UNC address for the Windows 7 newsgroup?
I have been looking for a good one for a long time, but haven't found one. |
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:39:41 -0800 (PST), James Davis wrote:
What is the UNC address for the Windows 7 newsgroup? I have been looking for a good one for a long time, but haven't found one. You are using Google Groups. Google Groups does not carry the Windows 7 newsgroup. You will not find the Windows 7 newsgroup anywhere on Google Groups, no matter how long or hard you look. Two different things you can do: 1. Use a real newsreader program to read the group alt.windows7.general. Sign up with a text-only news server such as one of these: news.individual.net -- see: https://news.individual.net/ Eternal September -- see: https://www.eternal-september.org/ Albasani -- see: http://albasani.net/index.html.en AIOE -- see: https://news.aioe.org/ (no sign-up required for AIOE 2. Use a different web service other than Google Groups. For example: Narkive ................... https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com/ 1001Newsgroups ............ http://www.1001newsgroups.com/l-alt....7.general.html PCBanter.net .............. http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=48 -- Kind regards Ralph 🦊 |
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:13:43 -0700, Bill in Co wrote:
Subject: OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues Is that newsgroup being spammed now? It's been very weird over there for the past couple of days. Just wondering if anyone else has noted. Paul? Anyone? The poster is trying to avoid DMCA and EUCD takedowns by posting its binaries in the (unrelated) Windows 7 newsgroup where it hopes the copyright owner(s) won't be watching. It has privately messaged its followers where to find the binaries. It doesn't care about the Windows 7 newsgroup group or the readers of that group. To it, they are just "collateral damage". The big binary news servers don't care too much about text groups any more. They make their money by selling gigs to binary users. That is why they allow this kind of stuff in text groups. If you were using a text-only server (like Paul is), chances are you would not be seeing this stuff. -- Regards Ralph "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -- George Bernard Shaw |
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
Ralph Fox wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:13:43 -0700, Bill in Co wrote: Subject: OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues Is that newsgroup being spammed now? It's been very weird over there for the past couple of days. Just wondering if anyone else has noted. Paul? Anyone? The poster is trying to avoid DMCA and EUCD takedowns by posting its binaries in the (unrelated) Windows 7 newsgroup where it hopes the copyright owner(s) won't be watching. It has privately messaged its followers where to find the binaries. It doesn't care about the Windows 7 newsgroup group or the readers of that group. To it, they are just "collateral damage". The big binary news servers don't care too much about text groups any more. They make their money by selling gigs to binary users. That is why they allow this kind of stuff in text groups. If you were using a text-only server (like Paul is), chances are you would not be seeing this stuff. I'm not actually seeing the stuff except for the message count. Outlook Express simply says something like "6800 messages not downloaded", but they're not really there (or else they are blocked from my access), so it's a bit illusive. I can reset the counter by clicking on Catch Up, which resets the message counter to normalcy. Otherwise it simply shows "6800 (or whatever) messages not downloaded" in the task bar, which is a bit annoying and perhaps misleading. I say perhaps because.... Either the message counter is not getting properly updated to reflect what is really there on the Giganews server, or those binary posts really really are there on the server, which I suppose is more likely, but I can't see or access them, for some reason ( not that I want to). |
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
Ralph Fox wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:13:43 -0700, Bill in Co wrote: Subject: OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues Is that newsgroup being spammed now? It's been very weird over there for the past couple of days. Just wondering if anyone else has noted. Paul? Anyone? The poster is trying to avoid DMCA and EUCD takedowns by posting its binaries in the (unrelated) Windows 7 newsgroup where it hopes the copyright owner(s) won't be watching. It has privately messaged its followers where to find the binaries. It doesn't care about the Windows 7 newsgroup group or the readers of that group. To it, they are just "collateral damage". The big binary news servers don't care too much about text groups any more. They make their money by selling gigs to binary users. That is why they allow this kind of stuff in text groups. If you were using a text-only server (like Paul is), chances are you would not be seeing this stuff. In retrospect, I guess this means it ain't gonna change, and one idiot gets away with posting binaries in a text based newsgroup, and Giganews could care less. Which sucks. I'm not sure what server Paul is using but I believe I'm using Giganews, thru Outlook Express. Guess I'll just have to keep hitting Catch Up, or ignoring the whopping message counter value in the taskbar of "10,000 messages not downloaded", or whatever. |
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Bill in Co wrote:
Just FYI. I just contacted Giganews, and they basically said they have - and want - NO control over it. Here is a the "chat" conversation I had with them just now: Live Chat with Support My chat note to them: Binaries are now being posted on a text based newsgroup: alt.windows7.general, which is a violation of your policy (aka spamming). Specifically, some idiot is now posting binaries on the alt.windows7.general newsgroup now, and it just started this week. Can you take care of this, please? TNX William Hello, my name is Jared. Thank you for contacting Giganews Support! One moment while I take a look at your request, please. I apologize for the trouble, but we do not monitor or regulate any of the content on our servers and thus can not remove any content Please let me know if you have any other questions for me Jared Even if it violates your policy? William Yes even if it does. We can not be responsible for any content put on our servers. This is in part so that we can take no responsibility to any content that may exist. Jared I just thought there were rules that had to apply, but I guess not. So there is nothing I can do, and I can't report it as spam, either, I guess? William No, Im afraid not. I apologize for the inconvenience Jared Is there anything that I could report that would constitute abuse, or is this just a free for all? That's disappointing to hear. William No there is not. I am sorry. We can not regulate anything or then we have to regulate everything which would prevent us from offering access to multiple types of content. Jared OK then, sorry to hear that. Thanks. William If you have any further questions or concerns, please let us know. Please remember that Giganews Support is available 24/7 including holidays. Bye for now Jared Thank you for contacting us. Chat session disconnected. Unbelievable! They offer the "service" of providing a server, and *that's it*. Period. But alas, I guess it's just yet another sign of the times, with respect to "Customer Service". At least L. L. Bean still offers good quality customer service (and perhaps a few others), but I guess that's about it, these days. https://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html https://www.giganews.com/legal/tos_personal.html It's not worded like normal ones. Normal ones say "we will respond to legal actions", meaning a subpoena for addresses will be honored, up to the event horizon of the server. In some countries, even with anonymized headers, there's a requirement to keep addresses for around a month or so. The giganews makes no mention of what happens if they're served by law enforcement. Maybe the employees hide in the lunchroom and sing kumbaya. Since your reseller is Earthlink, maybe you can ask them about whether they have a front end to the service. If you've been given a sort of "news.giganews.net" style address, then at a guess, their reseller relationship is really a "hands-off" one. And I cannot imagine a corporation using the reseller method, to give a rats ass about what happens. The sole reason for using the reseller option, is so maintenance is "Earthlink-staff-free". My previous ISP used to run their own news servers. And they had admins who rode shotgun. (I almost got TOSsed for forwarding a spammy advert for running shoes, with my joke at the end of it.) And their excuse when they canceled the service entirely, was that paying admins was too much trouble. And they also didn't give a price reduction because of the loss of that service. Moves like this by facilities like Giganews, is primarily about DMCA. For example, at least one of the servers changed how it handled headers, making it harder for their "opponent" to file automated DMCA takedowns with a robot. So they really have gone "underground" in a sense, buggering the service so it can serve binary content (which pays the bills), with the least possible DMCA kickback (from robots). ******* Would giganews care if the rest of USENET issued a UDP ? They might. And flooding a group, no matter how insignificant, is how you get that UDP on the radar. That's the nuclear option. That's when the CABAL gets its act together, which is less and less likely as time passes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty It's up to the abuse address on the originating source, to respond to complaints. The admins on the free servers, may choose to not respond at all, at least initially. You'll get a "not my problem". However, if a few million longish message increase the bandwidth bill for them, the CABAL email system will spring to life. Money talks. Paul |
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote: Just FYI. I just contacted Giganews, and they basically said they have - and want - NO control over it. Here is a the "chat" conversation I had with them just now: Live Chat with Support My chat note to them: Binaries are now being posted on a text based newsgroup: alt.windows7.general, which is a violation of your policy (aka spamming). Specifically, some idiot is now posting binaries on the alt.windows7.general newsgroup now, and it just started this week. Can you take care of this, please? TNX William Hello, my name is Jared. Thank you for contacting Giganews Support! One moment while I take a look at your request, please. I apologize for the trouble, but we do not monitor or regulate any of the content on our servers and thus can not remove any content Please let me know if you have any other questions for me Jared Even if it violates your policy? William Yes even if it does. We can not be responsible for any content put on our servers. This is in part so that we can take no responsibility to any content that may exist. Jared I just thought there were rules that had to apply, but I guess not. So there is nothing I can do, and I can't report it as spam, either, I guess? William No, Im afraid not. I apologize for the inconvenience Jared Is there anything that I could report that would constitute abuse, or is this just a free for all? That's disappointing to hear. William No there is not. I am sorry. We can not regulate anything or then we have to regulate everything which would prevent us from offering access to multiple types of content. Jared OK then, sorry to hear that. Thanks. William If you have any further questions or concerns, please let us know. Please remember that Giganews Support is available 24/7 including holidays. Bye for now Jared Thank you for contacting us. Chat session disconnected. Unbelievable! They offer the "service" of providing a server, and *that's it*. Period. But alas, I guess it's just yet another sign of the times, with respect to "Customer Service". At least L. L. Bean still offers good quality customer service (and perhaps a few others), but I guess that's about it, these days. https://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html https://www.giganews.com/legal/tos_personal.html It's not worded like normal ones. Normal ones say "we will respond to legal actions", meaning a subpoena for addresses will be honored, up to the event horizon of the server. In some countries, even with anonymized headers, there's a requirement to keep addresses for around a month or so. The giganews makes no mention of what happens if they're served by law enforcement. Maybe the employees hide in the lunchroom and sing kumbaya. Since your reseller is Earthlink, maybe you can ask them about whether they have a front end to the service. If you've been given a sort of "news.giganews.net" style address, then at a guess, their reseller relationship is really a "hands-off" one. And I cannot imagine a corporation using the reseller method, to give a rats ass about what happens. The sole reason for using the reseller option, is so maintenance is "Earthlink-staff-free". My previous ISP used to run their own news servers. And they had admins who rode shotgun. (I almost got TOSsed for forwarding a spammy advert for running shoes, with my joke at the end of it.) And their excuse when they canceled the service entirely, was that paying admins was too much trouble. And they also didn't give a price reduction because of the loss of that service. Moves like this by facilities like Giganews, is primarily about DMCA. For example, at least one of the servers changed how it handled headers, making it harder for their "opponent" to file automated DMCA takedowns with a robot. So they really have gone "underground" in a sense, buggering the service so it can serve binary content (which pays the bills), with the least possible DMCA kickback (from robots). ******* Would giganews care if the rest of USENET issued a UDP ? They might. And flooding a group, no matter how insignificant, is how you get that UDP on the radar. That's the nuclear option. That's when the CABAL gets its act together, which is less and less likely as time passes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty It's up to the abuse address on the originating source, to respond to complaints. The admins on the free servers, may choose to not respond at all, at least initially. You'll get a "not my problem". However, if a few million longish message increase the bandwidth bill for them, the CABAL email system will spring to life. Money talks. Paul I think this is what it's going to come down to. It's not my problem, and I don't care, which is basically what the chat guy was saying. But I did send an email to anyway. Earthlink basically doesn't want anything to do with this, and so much so, that any new subscribers to Earthlink can't even get any access to Usenet newsgroups anymore. And that happened a long time ago! I was just grandfathered in, since I've been with them for so long (almost an eternity, it seems now). At any rate, the only annoyance (which I guess is a minor one) is the appearance of that "xxxxx messages not downloaded" in the taskbar, even though those messages are not really there as far as my access of such junk is concerned. So I just have to say "Catch Up" to reset the message counter. That said, it's still a slight annoyance, since I can no longer rely on the new message counter to give me an accurate reading. |
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
Bill in Co wrote:
Paul wrote: Bill in Co wrote: Just FYI. I just contacted Giganews, and they basically said they have - and want - NO control over it. Here is a the "chat" conversation I had with them just now: Live Chat with Support My chat note to them: Binaries are now being posted on a text based newsgroup: alt.windows7.general, which is a violation of your policy (aka spamming). Specifically, some idiot is now posting binaries on the alt.windows7.general newsgroup now, and it just started this week. Can you take care of this, please? TNX William Hello, my name is Jared. Thank you for contacting Giganews Support! One moment while I take a look at your request, please. I apologize for the trouble, but we do not monitor or regulate any of the content on our servers and thus can not remove any content Please let me know if you have any other questions for me Jared Even if it violates your policy? William Yes even if it does. We can not be responsible for any content put on our servers. This is in part so that we can take no responsibility to any content that may exist. Jared I just thought there were rules that had to apply, but I guess not. So there is nothing I can do, and I can't report it as spam, either, I guess? William No, Im afraid not. I apologize for the inconvenience Jared Is there anything that I could report that would constitute abuse, or is this just a free for all? That's disappointing to hear. William No there is not. I am sorry. We can not regulate anything or then we have to regulate everything which would prevent us from offering access to multiple types of content. Jared OK then, sorry to hear that. Thanks. William If you have any further questions or concerns, please let us know. Please remember that Giganews Support is available 24/7 including holidays. Bye for now Jared Thank you for contacting us. Chat session disconnected. Unbelievable! They offer the "service" of providing a server, and *that's it*. Period. But alas, I guess it's just yet another sign of the times, with respect to "Customer Service". At least L. L. Bean still offers good quality customer service (and perhaps a few others), but I guess that's about it, these days. https://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html https://www.giganews.com/legal/tos_personal.html It's not worded like normal ones. Normal ones say "we will respond to legal actions", meaning a subpoena for addresses will be honored, up to the event horizon of the server. In some countries, even with anonymized headers, there's a requirement to keep addresses for around a month or so. The giganews makes no mention of what happens if they're served by law enforcement. Maybe the employees hide in the lunchroom and sing kumbaya. Since your reseller is Earthlink, maybe you can ask them about whether they have a front end to the service. If you've been given a sort of "news.giganews.net" style address, then at a guess, their reseller relationship is really a "hands-off" one. And I cannot imagine a corporation using the reseller method, to give a rats ass about what happens. The sole reason for using the reseller option, is so maintenance is "Earthlink-staff-free". My previous ISP used to run their own news servers. And they had admins who rode shotgun. (I almost got TOSsed for forwarding a spammy advert for running shoes, with my joke at the end of it.) And their excuse when they canceled the service entirely, was that paying admins was too much trouble. And they also didn't give a price reduction because of the loss of that service. Moves like this by facilities like Giganews, is primarily about DMCA. For example, at least one of the servers changed how it handled headers, making it harder for their "opponent" to file automated DMCA takedowns with a robot. So they really have gone "underground" in a sense, buggering the service so it can serve binary content (which pays the bills), with the least possible DMCA kickback (from robots). ******* Would giganews care if the rest of USENET issued a UDP ? They might. And flooding a group, no matter how insignificant, is how you get that UDP on the radar. That's the nuclear option. That's when the CABAL gets its act together, which is less and less likely as time passes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty It's up to the abuse address on the originating source, to respond to complaints. The admins on the free servers, may choose to not respond at all, at least initially. You'll get a "not my problem". However, if a few million longish message increase the bandwidth bill for them, the CABAL email system will spring to life. Money talks. Paul I think this is what it's going to come down to. It's not my problem, and I don't care, which is basically what the chat guy was saying. But I did send an email to anyway. Earthlink basically doesn't want anything to do with this, and so much so, that any new subscribers to Earthlink can't even get any access to Usenet newsgroups anymore. And that happened a long time ago! I was just grandfathered in, since I've been with them for so long (almost an eternity, it seems now). At any rate, the only annoyance (which I guess is a minor one) is the appearance of that "xxxxx messages not downloaded" in the taskbar, even though those messages are not really there as far as my access of such junk is concerned. So I just have to say "Catch Up" to reset the message counter. That said, it's still a slight annoyance, since I can no longer rely on the new message counter to give me an accurate reading. So you're either using a filter in your own newsreader, which causes that symptom. Or, the server is using its own cancelbot to cancel those messages. The MID exists in the server, but the message itself is canceled by the bot. Maybe that would give the symptoms of "thousands of things", but none of them being delivered to you. There's more than one way to solve the problem. The cancelbot concept is probably a better usage of computing resources. Putting a PERL filter against every upload, would cost quite a few CPU cycles. And no matter how "big" the newsserver is, the admins uniformly pride themselves on "automation". They don't want to sit around 24/7 with mouse clicks and play "whack-a-mole". If they're going to fix something, a computer will be implementing the method. They will be off playing golf or going to the movies. Paul |
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote: Paul wrote: Bill in Co wrote: Just FYI. I just contacted Giganews, and they basically said they have - and want - NO control over it. Here is a the "chat" conversation I had with them just now: Live Chat with Support My chat note to them: Binaries are now being posted on a text based newsgroup: alt.windows7.general, which is a violation of your policy (aka spamming). Specifically, some idiot is now posting binaries on the alt.windows7.general newsgroup now, and it just started this week. Can you take care of this, please? TNX William Hello, my name is Jared. Thank you for contacting Giganews Support! One moment while I take a look at your request, please. I apologize for the trouble, but we do not monitor or regulate any of the content on our servers and thus can not remove any content Please let me know if you have any other questions for me Jared Even if it violates your policy? William Yes even if it does. We can not be responsible for any content put on our servers. This is in part so that we can take no responsibility to any content that may exist. Jared I just thought there were rules that had to apply, but I guess not. So there is nothing I can do, and I can't report it as spam, either, I guess? William No, Im afraid not. I apologize for the inconvenience Jared Is there anything that I could report that would constitute abuse, or is this just a free for all? That's disappointing to hear. William No there is not. I am sorry. We can not regulate anything or then we have to regulate everything which would prevent us from offering access to multiple types of content. Jared OK then, sorry to hear that. Thanks. William If you have any further questions or concerns, please let us know. Please remember that Giganews Support is available 24/7 including holidays. Bye for now Jared Thank you for contacting us. Chat session disconnected. Unbelievable! They offer the "service" of providing a server, and *that's it*. Period. But alas, I guess it's just yet another sign of the times, with respect to "Customer Service". At least L. L. Bean still offers good quality customer service (and perhaps a few others), but I guess that's about it, these days. https://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html https://www.giganews.com/legal/tos_personal.html It's not worded like normal ones. Normal ones say "we will respond to legal actions", meaning a subpoena for addresses will be honored, up to the event horizon of the server. In some countries, even with anonymized headers, there's a requirement to keep addresses for around a month or so. The giganews makes no mention of what happens if they're served by law enforcement. Maybe the employees hide in the lunchroom and sing kumbaya. Since your reseller is Earthlink, maybe you can ask them about whether they have a front end to the service. If you've been given a sort of "news.giganews.net" style address, then at a guess, their reseller relationship is really a "hands-off" one. And I cannot imagine a corporation using the reseller method, to give a rats ass about what happens. The sole reason for using the reseller option, is so maintenance is "Earthlink-staff-free". My previous ISP used to run their own news servers. And they had admins who rode shotgun. (I almost got TOSsed for forwarding a spammy advert for running shoes, with my joke at the end of it.) And their excuse when they canceled the service entirely, was that paying admins was too much trouble. And they also didn't give a price reduction because of the loss of that service. Moves like this by facilities like Giganews, is primarily about DMCA. For example, at least one of the servers changed how it handled headers, making it harder for their "opponent" to file automated DMCA takedowns with a robot. So they really have gone "underground" in a sense, buggering the service so it can serve binary content (which pays the bills), with the least possible DMCA kickback (from robots). ******* Would giganews care if the rest of USENET issued a UDP ? They might. And flooding a group, no matter how insignificant, is how you get that UDP on the radar. That's the nuclear option. That's when the CABAL gets its act together, which is less and less likely as time passes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty It's up to the abuse address on the originating source, to respond to complaints. The admins on the free servers, may choose to not respond at all, at least initially. You'll get a "not my problem". However, if a few million longish message increase the bandwidth bill for them, the CABAL email system will spring to life. Money talks. Paul I think this is what it's going to come down to. It's not my problem, and I don't care, which is basically what the chat guy was saying. But I did send an email to anyway. Earthlink basically doesn't want anything to do with this, and so much so, that any new subscribers to Earthlink can't even get any access to Usenet newsgroups anymore. And that happened a long time ago! I was just grandfathered in, since I've been with them for so long (almost an eternity, it seems now). At any rate, the only annoyance (which I guess is a minor one) is the appearance of that "xxxxx messages not downloaded" in the taskbar, even though those messages are not really there as far as my access of such junk is concerned. So I just have to say "Catch Up" to reset the message counter. That said, it's still a slight annoyance, since I can no longer rely on the new message counter to give me an accurate reading. So you're either using a filter in your own newsreader, which causes that symptom. Or, the server is using its own cancelbot to cancel those messages. The MID exists in the server, but the message itself is canceled by the bot. Maybe that would give the symptoms of "thousands of things", but none of them being delivered to you. There's more than one way to solve the problem. The cancelbot concept is probably a better usage of computing resources. Putting a PERL filter against every upload, would cost quite a few CPU cycles. And no matter how "big" the newsserver is, the admins uniformly pride themselves on "automation". They don't want to sit around 24/7 with mouse clicks and play "whack-a-mole". If they're going to fix something, a computer will be implementing the method. They will be off playing golf or going to the movies. Paul I don't have a filter for that, so it must be at their end. If their server is using a cancelbot to cancel those messages, I don't know why I don't get an accurate count, and have to use Catch Up to reset it. Just today it said something like 10,000 messages. The only thing I do know is I tried to see if I could get any of that crap by simply using a wide open find search on the messages, but only the valid (text) messages show up in that count (like searching the alt.windows7.general newsgroup for all messages with a space, or letter a, or a period, or what have you :-) |
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Bill in Co wrote:
Paul wrote: Bill in Co wrote: Paul wrote: Bill in Co wrote: Just FYI. I just contacted Giganews, and they basically said they have - and want - NO control over it. Here is a the "chat" conversation I had with them just now: Live Chat with Support My chat note to them: Binaries are now being posted on a text based newsgroup: alt.windows7.general, which is a violation of your policy (aka spamming). Specifically, some idiot is now posting binaries on the alt.windows7.general newsgroup now, and it just started this week. Can you take care of this, please? TNX William Hello, my name is Jared. Thank you for contacting Giganews Support! One moment while I take a look at your request, please. I apologize for the trouble, but we do not monitor or regulate any of the content on our servers and thus can not remove any content Please let me know if you have any other questions for me Jared Even if it violates your policy? William Yes even if it does. We can not be responsible for any content put on our servers. This is in part so that we can take no responsibility to any content that may exist. Jared I just thought there were rules that had to apply, but I guess not. So there is nothing I can do, and I can't report it as spam, either, I guess? William No, Im afraid not. I apologize for the inconvenience Jared Is there anything that I could report that would constitute abuse, or is this just a free for all? That's disappointing to hear. William No there is not. I am sorry. We can not regulate anything or then we have to regulate everything which would prevent us from offering access to multiple types of content. Jared OK then, sorry to hear that. Thanks. William If you have any further questions or concerns, please let us know. Please remember that Giganews Support is available 24/7 including holidays. Bye for now Jared Thank you for contacting us. Chat session disconnected. Unbelievable! They offer the "service" of providing a server, and *that's it*. Period. But alas, I guess it's just yet another sign of the times, with respect to "Customer Service". At least L. L. Bean still offers good quality customer service (and perhaps a few others), but I guess that's about it, these days. https://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html https://www.giganews.com/legal/tos_personal.html It's not worded like normal ones. Normal ones say "we will respond to legal actions", meaning a subpoena for addresses will be honored, up to the event horizon of the server. In some countries, even with anonymized headers, there's a requirement to keep addresses for around a month or so. The giganews makes no mention of what happens if they're served by law enforcement. Maybe the employees hide in the lunchroom and sing kumbaya. Since your reseller is Earthlink, maybe you can ask them about whether they have a front end to the service. If you've been given a sort of "news.giganews.net" style address, then at a guess, their reseller relationship is really a "hands-off" one. And I cannot imagine a corporation using the reseller method, to give a rats ass about what happens. The sole reason for using the reseller option, is so maintenance is "Earthlink-staff-free". My previous ISP used to run their own news servers. And they had admins who rode shotgun. (I almost got TOSsed for forwarding a spammy advert for running shoes, with my joke at the end of it.) And their excuse when they canceled the service entirely, was that paying admins was too much trouble. And they also didn't give a price reduction because of the loss of that service. Moves like this by facilities like Giganews, is primarily about DMCA. For example, at least one of the servers changed how it handled headers, making it harder for their "opponent" to file automated DMCA takedowns with a robot. So they really have gone "underground" in a sense, buggering the service so it can serve binary content (which pays the bills), with the least possible DMCA kickback (from robots). ******* Would giganews care if the rest of USENET issued a UDP ? They might. And flooding a group, no matter how insignificant, is how you get that UDP on the radar. That's the nuclear option. That's when the CABAL gets its act together, which is less and less likely as time passes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty It's up to the abuse address on the originating source, to respond to complaints. The admins on the free servers, may choose to not respond at all, at least initially. You'll get a "not my problem". However, if a few million longish message increase the bandwidth bill for them, the CABAL email system will spring to life. Money talks. Paul I think this is what it's going to come down to. It's not my problem, and I don't care, which is basically what the chat guy was saying. But I did send an email to anyway. Earthlink basically doesn't want anything to do with this, and so much so, that any new subscribers to Earthlink can't even get any access to Usenet newsgroups anymore. And that happened a long time ago! I was just grandfathered in, since I've been with them for so long (almost an eternity, it seems now). At any rate, the only annoyance (which I guess is a minor one) is the appearance of that "xxxxx messages not downloaded" in the taskbar, even though those messages are not really there as far as my access of such junk is concerned. So I just have to say "Catch Up" to reset the message counter. That said, it's still a slight annoyance, since I can no longer rely on the new message counter to give me an accurate reading. So you're either using a filter in your own newsreader, which causes that symptom. Or, the server is using its own cancelbot to cancel those messages. The MID exists in the server, but the message itself is canceled by the bot. Maybe that would give the symptoms of "thousands of things", but none of them being delivered to you. There's more than one way to solve the problem. The cancelbot concept is probably a better usage of computing resources. Putting a PERL filter against every upload, would cost quite a few CPU cycles. And no matter how "big" the newsserver is, the admins uniformly pride themselves on "automation". They don't want to sit around 24/7 with mouse clicks and play "whack-a-mole". If they're going to fix something, a computer will be implementing the method. They will be off playing golf or going to the movies. Paul I don't have a filter for that, so it must be at their end. If their server is using a cancelbot to cancel those messages, I don't know why I don't get an accurate count, and have to use Catch Up to reset it. Just today it said something like 10,000 messages. The only thing I do know is I tried to see if I could get any of that crap by simply using a wide open find search on the messages, but only the valid (text) messages show up in that count (like searching the alt.windows7.general newsgroup for all messages with a space, or letter a, or a period, or what have you :-) I should correct this. I obviously tried searching for any messages after xx date, and even that only turns up the text messages. My guess, though, is those partial video file segments the idiot is posting may indeed be on their server, but I just can't "see" them. If I don't reset the "# not downloaded" counter, and it reaches the 16 bit counter limit, I'm guessing OE will crash. Interesting. I just used Catch Up tor reset the counter, and I come back later and it's back up to 5000 again. This idiot is really going to town with his video postings (I'm assuming it's some video files split into segments). |
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 11:01:48 PM UTC-8, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:39:41 -0800 (PST), James Davis wrote: What is the UNC address for the Windows 7 newsgroup? I have been looking for a good one for a long time, but haven't found one. You are using Google Groups. Google Groups does not carry the Windows 7 newsgroup. You will not find the Windows 7 newsgroup anywhere on Google Groups, no matter how long or hard you look. Two different things you can do: 1. Use a real newsreader program to read the group alt.windows7.general.. Sign up with a text-only news server such as one of these: news.individual.net -- see: https://news.individual.net/ Eternal September -- see: https://www.eternal-september.org/ Albasani -- see: http://albasani.net/index.html.en AIOE -- see: https://news.aioe.org/ (no sign-up required for AIOE 2. Use a different web service other than Google Groups. For example: Narkive ................... https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com/ 1001Newsgroups ............ http://www.1001newsgroups.com/l-alt....7.general.html PCBanter.net .............. http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=48 -- Kind regards Ralph 🦊 I use: nntp.aioe.org So what is the newsgroup address/name for the Windows 7 newsgroup? |
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
James Davis wrote:
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 11:01:48 PM UTC-8, Ralph Fox wrote: On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:39:41 -0800 (PST), James Davis wrote: What is the UNC address for the Windows 7 newsgroup? I have been looking for a good one for a long time, but haven't found one. You are using Google Groups. Google Groups does not carry the Windows 7 newsgroup. You will not find the Windows 7 newsgroup anywhere on Google Groups, no matter how long or hard you look. Two different things you can do: 1. Use a real newsreader program to read the group alt.windows7.general. Sign up with a text-only news server such as one of these: news.individual.net -- see: https://news.individual.net/ Eternal September -- see: https://www.eternal-september.org/ Albasani -- see: http://albasani.net/index.html.en AIOE -- see: https://news.aioe.org/ (no sign-up required for AIOE 2. Use a different web service other than Google Groups. For example: Narkive ................... https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com/ 1001Newsgroups ............ http://www.1001newsgroups.com/l-alt....7.general.html PCBanter.net .............. http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=48 -- Kind regards Ralph ?? I use: nntp.aioe.org So what is the newsgroup address/name for the Windows 7 newsgroup? alt.windows7.general |
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 19:40:31 -0800 (PST), James Davis wrote:
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 11:01:48 PM UTC-8, Ralph Fox wrote: 1. Use a real newsreader program to read the group alt.windows7.general. I use: nntp.aioe.org Your headers say you are still using Google Groups [³]. So what is the newsgroup address/name for the Windows 7 newsgroup? The newsgroup name is alt.windows7.general -- as in my previous post, and as in carson's reply to you. You will find that group on aioe [¹]. But you will not find it on Google Groups [²]. ____ FOOTNOTES [¹] The Windows 7 newsgroup "alt.windows7.general" is on aioe: https://news.aioe.org/tools/groupsli...al &exclude=4 [²] The Windows 7 newsgroup "alt.windows7.general" is not on Google groups: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!fo...ndows7.general [³] Your headers say you are still using Google Groups: Path: ..!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegro ups.com!not-for-mail Complaints-To: Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2001:558:6045:16:4de2:7cd3:8f25:4bf9; posting-account=XcXCjAoAAABnob-oSbh7aYIi95LzQmH3 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Message-ID: -- Kind regards Ralph |
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OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues
Sorry guys,
I just didn't see it ("alt.windows7.general") in the parts of this that I read. Thanks for pointing it out for me. James Davis P.S. I use IE & GG most to post, but I also pre-read the news groups I'm interested in mostly with WLM. |
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