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Microsoft blackballs IE
Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732 As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky, made-up terms thrown in. For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS would provide basic English classes for their employees. The author is not pointing to the security problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11 in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11 not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither. Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge. So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our browsers online"! No problem, folks. |
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Woops. This is even weirder than I realized. Tech sites are
posting headlines that MS wants you to stop using IE. But when I got into the blog comments I realized that what the author is pushing is actually a new level of Rube Goldberg design: They broke quirks mode in IE11. Therefore they broke many websites unless you set an exception by hand. Now what they're saying is you should use their tools to create a listing of the webpages you visit, and once you go through all that (plus keep it updated) you'll get back a semblance of quirks mode in IE for sites that need it, while using another browser as your default. Only Microsoft could define inpossible complication as a fix. |
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Microsoft blackballs IE
"Wolf K" wrote
| I wish MS | would provide basic English classes for their employees. | [...] | | The rot set in when universities dropped the Eng Lit requirement for all | degrees, and substituted "composition" classes. | So most bachelor's degrees don't require any actual English writing training? I guess I'm not surprised. My ladyfriend supervises early childhood education candidates. College degrees, but many write like a child, while the rest often write like marketers. I suspect they also can't spell, but they all use MS Word, so they don't need that skill. |
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Microsoft blackballs IE
"Mayayana" on Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:19:10 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following: "Wolf K" wrote | I wish MS | would provide basic English classes for their employees. | [...] | | The rot set in when universities dropped the Eng Lit requirement for all | degrees, and substituted "composition" classes. | So most bachelor's degrees don't require any actual English writing training? I guess I'm not surprised. My ladyfriend supervises early childhood education candidates. College degrees, but many write like a child, while the rest often write like marketers. I suspect they also can't spell, but they all use MS Word, so they don't need that skill. They cant spell, sow they donut know if the word right, joust that it be spelt rite. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Microsoft blackballs IE
"Mayayana" on Sat, 9 Feb 2019 09:38:19 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following: Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't be used: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732 As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky, made-up terms thrown in. For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS would provide basic English classes for their employees. The author is not pointing to the security problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11 in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11 not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither. Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge. So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our browsers online"! No problem, folks. Weird it is. I was a regular customer of TaxAct, till last year when it had to have IE 11 installed or it would not work. Nope, wouldn't be prudent, not gonna do it. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-02-09 09:38, Mayayana wrote: [...] I wish MS would provide basic English classes for their employees. [...] The rot set in when universities dropped the Eng Lit requirement for all degrees, and substituted "composition" classes. I thought the distinction here was that "English Literature", per se, was to acquaint you with the works of various authors, whereas "English Composition", per se, was to teach you basic writing skills (incl. grammar, spelling, and composition). That said, one could ask how can you learn the latter, if you've never been exposed to the forme (English Literature) in the first place. I don't think it's my imagination, but I think student skills have been slipping in both English and Math, over the past half century or so. In the old days, I think one could be expected to write a decent resume, even after graduating from high school. And students came out knowing their times tables and basic (if not intermediate) algebra, but that was before the New Math came into vogue. |
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 09:38:19 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote: Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't be used: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732 As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky, made-up terms thrown in. For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS would provide basic English classes for their employees. The author is not pointing to the security problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11 in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11 not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither. Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge. So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our browsers online"! No problem, folks. At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google Chrome. |
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 14:18:03 -0500, Wolf K
wrote: BTW, the New Math was/is an attempt to teach math as a langauge, which it is. Unfortunately, most people think that arithmetic is math. It ain't. I disagree. Arithmetic is far from being all of what mathematics is, but it *is* a component of mathematics, even though it's the lowest and easiest component. Arithmetic is what the calculator does. Math is knowing which buttons to push. Of course arithmetic skills are necessary to doing well at math, but they are not sufficient. I agree with that. |
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"Dan" wrote
| At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing | and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google | Chrome. I wonder why that is. I would think Chrome would be a corporate privacy issue. Do they install it because it's what they use personally? |
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Microsoft blackballs IE
Mayayana wrote:
Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't be used: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732 As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky, made-up terms thrown in. It wasn't obvious to you that this was a *blog*? It is not a journalistic report nor an official announcement. You think your posts here would stand up to your same scrutiny? For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS would provide basic English classes for their employees. As for "endpoints", IE is obviously a web browser that requires networking and the hosts in a connection are often called endpoints since, ahem, the hosts are the endpoints of the connection. Just saying hosts for a connection can be confusing even more because those could include the hosts in the routing of the connection (called hops). I'm not familiar with the "technical debt" term; however, I don't participate in that community and lingo is often related to the community wherein it is used. I was sitting at a table with a bunch of friends that were microbiologists or neurosurgeons, yep, they'd sound like foreigners with all the terms they would bandy that is germaine to their expertise. I've been told that when my friends and I are talking around others not so into computers that we sound like foreigners. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_debt Looks like Chris (Principal Program Manager in the Experiences and Devices Group) is using terms common within programmer circles. Even you use terminology that is peculiar to the audience you address. The author is not pointing to the security problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11 in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11 not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither. Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge. BTW, Edge is moving to the Chromium engine. https://www.techradar.com/news/micro...ng-to-chromium |
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Wolf K wrote:
The rot set in when universities dropped the Eng Lit requirement for all degrees, and substituted "composition" classes. Sorry, but you don't learn how to write in today's language by reading Shakespeare. English Literature wasn't about teaching how to write. Many people could read Dickens but they still couldn't write worth a damn. Even teaching grammar is insufficient if you want to understand English. Grammar is just a set of common rules with lots of exceptions. Linguistics taught you how the language worked; however, as I recall, linguistics was not required in college, just the composition classes. |
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On 2/9/2019 4:12 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Dan" wrote | At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing | and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google | Chrome. I wonder why that is. I would think Chrome would be a corporate privacy issue. Do they install it because it's what they use personally? Could be that they chose it because they understand that many major browsers have adapted the underlying workings of Chrome rather than stick with their own structure. We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet. -- best regards, Neil |
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 13:21:11 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 14:18:03 -0500, Wolf K wrote: BTW, the New Math was/is an attempt to teach math as a langauge, which it is. Unfortunately, most people think that arithmetic is math. It ain't. I disagree. Arithmetic is far from being all of what mathematics is, but it *is* a component of mathematics, even though it's the lowest and easiest component. Read all this again. You are not disagreeing with him. Arithmetic is what the calculator does. Math is knowing which buttons to push. Of course arithmetic skills are necessary to doing well at math, but they are not sufficient. I agree with that. Because you also agreed with what he was at first saying. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 16:33:00 -0500, Neil
wrote: On 2/9/2019 4:12 PM, Mayayana wrote: "Dan" wrote | At work, they introduced Win 10 64 pro. Well, Edge keeps on crashing | and IT department refuses to install Firefox and have installed Google | Chrome. I wonder why that is. I would think Chrome would be a corporate privacy issue. Do they install it because it's what they use personally? Could be that they chose it because they understand that many major browsers have adapted the underlying workings of Chrome rather than stick with their own structure. We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet. Could be, since Firefox at leaet for me has been stable, so far. No or very little tracking issues. I do use a lot of plug ins. |
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 19:46:42 -0500, Wolf K wrote:
IMO, Strunk & White's _Elements of Style_ is still the best short guide to writing well available. Yes no doubt it's Lee Child's bedtime reading. |
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