Please stop calling them apps!

On Thu, 16 May 2019 08:57:39 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 5/16/2019 8:45 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/05/2019 14.17, AnthonyL wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2019 20:33:25 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Apd wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:
I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on
my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word
anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"?

When I started programming in the 70s we wrote computer programs. I
don't remember when or why "application" became popular.

the term application became popular in the 80s with the rise of
personal computers, but since computers weren't anywhere near as
widespread as they are now, it wasn't really in common use outside of
techies.


Indeed even in MSDOS days we had folders, typically: UTILS, TOOLS,
APPS, PROGRAMS and DATA

APPS was where we put what we wrote.

No, we had directories, typically one per suite or big program. Like one
for MsDOS, another for wordperfect, another for pctools, etc.

I believe that is where the command DIR came from which list the files
in the Directory. MS changed to directories to folders for no apparent
reason

The explanation was that they though people would better understand
the purpose of folders than they would of directories.
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 16:04:00 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 15:17:05 +0100, Peter Percival wrote:

Apd wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote:
I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on
my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word
anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"?

When I started programming in the 70s we wrote computer programs. I
don't remember when or why "application" became popular. It sounds
like a poultice you apply to an infected wound. So, yes, I prefer
"program".

In my day there were (at least) two varieties of program: systems
programs such as compilers and what-have-you, and applications programs
such as accounting software.

I don't mind "application", but using only the first syllable is ridiculous.

Not when you have only 8 characters to name a directory/folder.

Imagine if we only used the first syllable in everything:

Good morn, nice weth we have to. I'm go to do some gar. I start by weed the flow beds.
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:43:21 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:29:13 +0100, John Doe wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 08:55:36 +0100, John Doe always.look message.header wrote:

If you are a sick **** from Canada, you can take it to your courts...

https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/01...rans-hormones/

"On Wednesday, the Supreme Court of British Columbia, Canada ordered
that a 14-year-old girl receive testosterone injections without
parental consent. THE COURT also DECLARED THAT IF EITHER OF HER
PARENTS referred to her using female pronouns or ADDRESSED HER BY
HER BIRTH NAME, THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED GUILTY OF FAMILY VIOLENCE."

I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"?

Did you write something? I'm not scrolling to the top to check, respond underneath like an adult.

Where is your response? Reply under the quoted text.

It's alright. He is as resistant to learning new things as you are.
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 19:27:31 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 18:16:10 +0100, Sam E wrote:

On 5/16/19 8:30 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2019 20:14:30 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"?


We used to call those who wrote programs "programmers." What do we
call those who write apps, "applicators?"

-dan z-

"Applicators" sounds like it could be those who use a lot of sunscreen.

The biggest con ever. Apply stuff to your skin so it can't get used to the thing it's protecting you against, so you buy more. Get a real tan, don't use sunscreen.

I continue to be astonished at the small size of the you inhabit.
Maybe you are excused in this case as you live in Scotland. However,
you should be aware tha in places closer to the equator skin cancer is
is a scourge, particularly (but not exclusively) in fair skinned
people.
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Eric Stevens

On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:28:29 +0200, "Carlos E. R."
wrote:

On 16/05/2019 20.22, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 18:42:07 +0200, "Carlos E. R."
wrote:

On 16/05/2019 18.39, nospam wrote:
In article , Peter Johnson
wrote:

I haven't read all the replies to see if anyone else thinks the same
but I think you can think Steve Jobs for unleashing the word 'Apps' on
the world. (FWIW I agree with you.)

false.

both the term application and its shortened version app existed long
before apple.

I never heard it before smartphones. I don't have any apple, so I don't
know if it was used there.

It definitely was used before smartphones. I first encountered
it in the early 1980s in the context of the term "killer app".

I can not say for sure about the term's use before Apple, but it
sounds reasonable. Note that the term I encountered was "killer app",
and it was instantly understandable. (Only later did I encounter
"app" on its own.)

I remember that "killer app" thing, but not till the 90's at least. But
then there was no internet, so terms travelled slower.

There certainly was Internet in the 90s.
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 18:25:18 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 5/16/19 11:24 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

It doesn't surprise me Apple has something to do with it. They've
****ed computing up for decades.

"I REALLY don't want an iPhone" - the first thing I thought when seeing
the desktop of Windows 8

Indeed.

..com. :P Ditto. I miss the old designs like 3D buttons, toolbars, etc.
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I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on my
computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word
anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"?

I have more to say...

I told all my drinking buddies that we do not go to the "pub", we go to
the "public house". Why are people too f*cking lazy to use the whole
term anymore?

I told all my female friends and relatives that what they are wearing
is not a "bra", it is a "brassiere". Why are people too f*cking lazy
to use the whole word anymore?

Nobody should cross-post to a newsgroup named "alt.comp.os.windows-10".
Why are people too f*cking lazy to use the whole words, "computer" and
"operating system"?

On Thu, 16 May 2019 10:20:09 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Apd wrote:

the rest of the world prefers app.

Only on phones and in the Win 10 world.

false. app is short for application, a term that refers to end user
software which has been in use for more than 30 years.

And "application" is short for "application program".
An application (program) is a program that applies the power of the
omputer to a specific task.


a program is what's shown on tv, or what's handed out at the theatre.

That's a programme.

no

In AmE (American English) "program" is the usual spelling for all senses
of the word.

In BrE (British English) "programme" is the usual spelling except in
computing where "program" is used for an item of software.

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.english.usage)

On Thu, 16 May 2019 08:57:39 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 5/16/2019 8:45 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/05/2019 14.17, AnthonyL wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2019 20:33:25 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Apd wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:
I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on
my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word
anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"?

When I started programming in the 70s we wrote computer programs. I
don't remember when or why "application" became popular.

the term application became popular in the 80s with the rise of
personal computers, but since computers weren't anywhere near as
widespread as they are now, it wasn't really in common use outside of
techies.


Indeed even in MSDOS days we had folders, typically: UTILS, TOOLS,
APPS, PROGRAMS and DATA

APPS was where we put what we wrote.

No, we had directories, typically one per suite or big program. Like one
for MsDOS, another for wordperfect, another for pctools, etc.

I believe that is where the command DIR came from which list the files
in the Directory. MS changed to directories to folders for no apparent
reason


It's curious isn't it because there was this soft change from
Directories to Folders, probably when graphical interfaces came in,
but if execute the DIR instruction in a Command (MSDOS) window then
folders show up with DIR against them to show they are, err,
Folders!


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AnthonyL

On 5/17/2019 7:23 AM, AnthonyL wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 08:57:39 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 5/16/2019 8:45 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/05/2019 14.17, AnthonyL wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2019 20:33:25 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Apd wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:
I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on
my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word
anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"?

When I started programming in the 70s we wrote computer programs. I
don't remember when or why "application" became popular.

the term application became popular in the 80s with the rise of
personal computers, but since computers weren't anywhere near as
widespread as they are now, it wasn't really in common use outside of
techies.


Indeed even in MSDOS days we had folders, typically: UTILS, TOOLS,
APPS, PROGRAMS and DATA

APPS was where we put what we wrote.

No, we had directories, typically one per suite or big program. Like one
for MsDOS, another for wordperfect, another for pctools, etc.

I believe that is where the command DIR came from which list the files
in the Directory. MS changed to directories to folders for no apparent
reason


It's curious isn't it because there was this soft change from
Directories to Folders, probably when graphical interfaces came in,
but if execute the DIR instruction in a Command (MSDOS) window then
folders show up with DIR against them to show they are, err,
Folders!

While I thing Apps is dumb, I am afraid it is a boat that has left the dock.

Perhapse, we should push to change that spelling to apes, as some use
excessive resources and barge through your computer to their desires not
the computer owner standards.

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On Fri, 17 May 2019 00:58:43 +0100, T wrote:

On 5/15/19 4:06 PM, Apd wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote:
I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on
my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word
anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"?

When I started programming in the 70s we wrote computer programs. I
don't remember when or why "application" became popular. It sounds
like a poultice you apply to an infected wound. So, yes, I prefer
"program".



I adore my 7000+ line Perl programs being called "scripts". They
are "programs".

I do not think Kinsey is going to win this one, even though he
has a point.

And more than I am going to win the one about the name of
their browser being called "google".

I don't know anyone who calls their browser google. They say "chrome". I hear google being used as a verb for "web search" though, which is fair enough since most people use it.

On 16/05/2019 23.26, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:35:21 +0100, Carlos E. R.
wrote:

On 16/05/2019 20.29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 18:19:15 +0100, hah
wrote:

On 5/16/19 9:20 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

Well it's not used that way now.* If Mr Smith is executed, he's
gone to
the electric chair.

"Gas kills best." -- this message brought to you by your gas company
:-)

I liked gas when it was used in the dentist instead of those ****ing
needles!

They don't use gas here. I have never seen it. Only recently heard a
commercial on the radio of a site that might be using it because of what
they described. Or maybe it is a strong sedative in advance.

Here dentists use a touch anaesthetic before driving in the needle, so
we don't feel it.

I'm 43 in the UK.* I got gas when I was a kid, knocked me unconscious in
seconds, next thing I knew the work was complete with no pain.* But
apparently it killed a few weak people so they stopped it and ruined it
for the rest of us.* Nowadays they use a needle in the gum, it hurts!*
In America they use some weird psychadelic ****, see Youtube for videos
of loads of kids off their ****ing skulls on it.

Apparently, gas has not been used here in my fifty something years. But
the thing is, the needle doesn't hurt if the dentists knows how. Some do
it better than others. Some use a spray bottle with a little tube that
numbs the gum where the needle is going to enter. My dentist use a tiny
swab of cotton held with pincers, and the needle doesn't hurt.
Uncomfortable yes, because he takes his time with it, so there is no
pain later.

And, as we are conscious during the procedure, we have to cooperate with
him: open, close, rinse...

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Cheers, Carlos.

On 17/05/2019 03.06, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:28:29 +0200, "Carlos E. R."
wrote:


I remember that "killer app" thing, but not till the 90's at least. But
then there was no internet, so terms travelled slower.

There certainly was Internet in the 90s.

Limited. I saw none of it at college.
I could not get email till 97 or 98.

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Cheers, Carlos.

nospam wrote:

I remember that "killer app" thing, but not till the 90's at least. But
then there was no internet, so terms travelled slower.

that's the point.

the term *was* used in the 80s and even the 70s, but relatively few
people had computers then.

I agree. As I remember, the original "killer app" that persuaded many
to buy computers was spreadsheets - specifically VisCalc. That was
early 80's.

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Tim Slattery
tim at risingdove dot com

On Fri, 17 May 2019 00:51:27 +0100, notX wrote:

On 5/16/19 12:10 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

I must of thought that once. I remember looking as some source code and
one of the error messages was "not enough memory to execute child".

Probably a programmer with a sense of humour.

Or who actually wanted to execute (run) a child program.

Whoever wrote that error message was obviously having a laugh.