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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:32:40 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: good onya ,and these forums are suppose to assist people with there computer mishaps aren't they. No. They are for communicating. And I am helping by communicating that much of the spyware problem is caused by fools infecting their own computers. Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your posts). If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy fools, then I feel I have helped. And these aren't forums, but newsgroups. How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software shouldn't be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?) Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote me. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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kurttrail wrote:
snip There are very few noobs left in the English-speaking world, so anyone that is still getting their computer infected with spyware can't fall back on "I'm just a noob" defense, especially the self-proffessed "high-level pro" of an OP. And being as computer knowledgeable as me is hardly all that necessary. All it takes is some common sense. A concept, that you don't seem to grasp, is that people have to be given enough information to ask a question. Y'know, what? You're really not worth discussing this with. I'm outta here. Notan |
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Notan wrote:
kurttrail wrote: snip There are very few noobs left in the English-speaking world, so anyone that is still getting their computer infected with spyware can't fall back on "I'm just a noob" defense, especially the self-proffessed "high-level pro" of an OP. And being as computer knowledgeable as me is hardly all that necessary. All it takes is some common sense. A concept, that you don't seem to grasp, is that people have to be given enough information to ask a question. A link to a web page would suffice. Better yet a link to a Google search. Along with the admonition that they are a fool for getting their computer infected with spyware in the first place. Y'know, what? You're really not worth discussing this with. LOL! Too late for you, fool. I'm outta here. Outta where? You were never here. Notan Change "Notan" to "KnowNothing." -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:02:56 -0400, "kurttrail"
wrote: Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your posts). If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy fools, then I feel I have helped. Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer? And these aren't forums, but newsgroups. Newsgroups aren't types of forums? How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software shouldn't be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?) Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote me. If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just consequences. You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. |
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Amen to that.
-- *** NEVER download files from anywhere unless it is from the website of the developer, manufacturer or some entity that you trust. They ALWAYS have the most up to date files that haven't been tampered with by some third party who is "hosting" (read Leeching) those files without permission. *** "kurttrail" wrote in message ... SNIP I got no problems. And I'm certainly not the most intelligent person on the planet. SNIP |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:02:56 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your posts). If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy fools, then I feel I have helped. Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer? It is better off when they aren't enabled by others to continue in their foolish ways. And these aren't forums, but newsgroups. Newsgroups aren't types of forums? Nope. How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software shouldn't be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?) Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote me. If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just consequences. No, that isn't my implication at all. Negative reinforcement isn't necessarily a punishment. Much of the time, it is just not candy-coating the truth. You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. LOL! You are a born enabler. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:02:56 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your posts). If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy fools, then I feel I have helped. Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer? And these aren't forums, but newsgroups. Newsgroups aren't types of forums? How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software shouldn't be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?) Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote me. If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just consequences. You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. Again, I'd imagine that there's no reasoning with little Kurt. Apparently, he's the the type of person that thinks calling a fat person "fat" is a good motivator for weight loss. Anything else would be coddling. Take care! Notan |
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Fitz wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in message ... SNIP I got no problems. And I'm certainly not the most intelligent person on the planet. Amen to that. Yep. Yet I'm smart enough to not get spyware on my computer. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Fitz wrote:
Amen to that. I dont see where this discussion is going. What get linux so fat people dont have to clean spyware? |
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Notan wrote:
Howard Brazee wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:02:56 -0400, "kurttrail" wrote: Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your posts). If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy fools, then I feel I have helped. Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer? And these aren't forums, but newsgroups. Newsgroups aren't types of forums? How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software shouldn't be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?) Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote me. If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just consequences. You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. Again, I'd imagine that there's no reasoning with little Kurt. You'd have to use reason first. Apparently, he's the the type of person that thinks calling a fat person "fat" is a good motivator for weight loss. Yeah, I will tell a woman that she is fat, when asked if she fat. I like telling the truth. Anything else would be coddling. And not telling the truth. Take care! It would seem you need to. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:31:05 -0400, "kurttrail"
wrote: Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer? It is better off when they aren't enabled by others to continue in their foolish ways. But earlier in the thread you (I think), said they deserve punishment. But responding to your statement he How so? Give an example of the enabling you are referring to, and tell us how the world would be better off if that enabling did not occur. I have to admit that I'm not sure how to enable a fool to download bad stuff other than by making the software less safe - which you said you're not advocating. Actual examples will be meaningful. And these aren't forums, but newsgroups. Newsgroups aren't types of forums? Nope. Quick definitions (Forum) # noun: a public facility to meet for open discussion # noun: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion So what part of these definitions don't apply? |
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Kephryn wrote:
Fitz wrote: Amen to that. I dont see where this discussion is going. What get linux so fat people dont have to clean spyware? Use common sense while browsing the web, and if you end up getting your computer infected with spyware, find out how to remove it on your own, as there are plenty of web pages with the info. IOW, Don't be a fat lazy fool that expects to get help from others every time you stub your toe, as you should have been looking where you were going in the first place. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:31:05 -0400, "kurttrail"
wrote: You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. LOL! You are a born enabler. By recognizing that I can't make people smarter? Or by protecting myself from them? If I am an enabler - what do I do, or what *can* I do to enable these fools? What do you do differently? |
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:31:13 -0600, Notan wrote:
If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just consequences. You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the consequences of their foolishness. Again, I'd imagine that there's no reasoning with little Kurt. Apparently, he's the the type of person that thinks calling a fat person "fat" is a good motivator for weight loss. Anything else would be coddling. In the case of foolish computing the consequences are different from being fat. I could let someone play with a loaded handgun trusting that the only person who got hurt was the person playing with that gun, and he would deserve what he got. Except I'm smart enough to see that we all pay for the damage. And I would prefer to be protected from that fool's actions. But then I'd be as big of a fool as Kurt is, and just as deserving of the consequences. |
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kurttrail wrote:
Kephryn wrote: Fitz wrote: Amen to that. I dont see where this discussion is going. What get linux so fat people dont have to clean spyware? Use common sense while browsing the web, and if you end up getting your computer infected with spyware, find out how to remove it on your own, as there are plenty of web pages with the info. IOW, Don't be a fat lazy fool that expects to get help from others every time you stub your toe, as you should have been looking where you were going in the first place. I understand your point of view, but if that is the only reason of the discussion and your participation then there isnt a point to your point of view. |
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