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Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7
Hi
I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original installation DVD. But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from USB-stick and then connect to internet? Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other advice :-) Best regards -- Jesper Kaas - |
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Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7
"Jesper Kaas" wrote in message ... Hi I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original installation DVD. But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from USB-stick and then connect to internet? Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other advice :-) Best regards You can slipstream SP1 into an installation DVD: https://www.intowindows.com/how-to-slipstream-windows-7-sp1-into-installation-dvd-iso/ Been years (more than 10, I'm sure) since I tried it, but IIRC, it worked just fine. AFA an AV program goes, most have either a .exe or .zip file as the initial download. You don't mention which one you're using now, but if you have the installation file(s) or CD/DVD for it, you can use that to install it on the new setup. -- SC Tom |
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Jesper Kaas wrote:
Hi I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original installation DVD. But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from USB-stick and then connect to internet? Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other advice :-) Best regards Your router should have a firewall. That's all you need. |
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On 10/27/18 4:49 AM, Jesper Kaas wrote:
Hi I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original installation DVD. But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from USB-stick and then connect to internet? Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other advice :-) Best regards Some people believe that installing antivirus software weakens the OS, providing more flaws viruses can use to infect it. Also, a lot of problems come from AV interfering with things. |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:45:24 -0500, Sam E
wrote: Some people believe that installing antivirus software weakens the OS, providing more flaws viruses can use to infect it. Yes, probably some people believe that. Some people believe the earth is flat. Some people believe all sorts of false things. "Installing antivirus software weakens the OS" is one of the many false things that some people believe. Also, a lot of problems come from AV interfering with things. Another false thing. However if you run two or more anti-virus programs, yes, they can interfere with each other. But I should point out that not all anti-virus programs are equally good. Undoubtedly some of the poorer ones *can* cause problems. Some people also believe that if you practice "safe hex," an anti-virus program isn't necessary. That *is* correct. However (and it's a *big* however) unless you *never* go to the Internet and *never* insert CDs, DVDs, external hard drives, thumb drives, etc., you can never be completely sure you are always practicing safe hex. Rather than hoping you are always practicing safe hex it's wise to not only do what you think is safe hex, but also run an anti-virus program. As far as I'm concerned, not running an anti-virus program is the height of foolishness. It's better to be safe than sorry. |
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In message , Ken Blake
writes: On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:45:24 -0500, Sam E wrote: Some people believe that installing antivirus software weakens the OS, providing more flaws viruses can use to infect it. Yes, probably some people believe that. Some people believe the earth is flat. Some people believe all sorts of false things. "Installing antivirus software weakens the OS" is one of the many false things that some people believe. Totally agree with you there. Also, a lot of problems come from AV interfering with things. Another false thing. Not 100% in agreement with you there - well, I suppose it depends on the interpretation of "a lot". Certainly, AV software _does_ interfere with things, although modern software (both the AV and the other applications) have improved a lot in recent years, such that you're less likely to encounter such problems than you were a few years ago. (A lot of the reason being changes in the OSs themselves, which now don't allow software to do things older ones did, so it's more that modern OSs do the "interfering" than the AV stuff doing it.) However if you run two or more anti-virus programs, yes, they can interfere with each other. You'd think that, in that if nothing else they'd see each others' signature tables and ring bells; and I've certainly seen reports of people who have experienced problems (mainly huge slowdown rather than false reporting); however, I _think_ I've also seen people who say they are running two or more without problems. But I should point out that not all anti-virus programs are equally good. Undoubtedly some of the poorer ones *can* cause problems. Yes, they vary. (And the "best" aren't always the most popular, or most advertised.) Some people also believe that if you practice "safe hex," an anti-virus program isn't necessary. That *is* correct. However (and it's a *big* however) unless you *never* go to the Internet and *never* insert CDs, DVDs, external hard drives, thumb drives, etc., you can never be completely sure you are always practicing safe hex. Rather than hoping you are always practicing safe hex it's wise to not only do what you think is safe hex, but also run an anti-virus program. As far as I'm concerned, not running an anti-virus program is the height of foolishness. It's better to be safe than sorry. Yes, I'm fairly careful, but have had the odd popup from an AV. (Usually just when downloading, unpacking, or similar, before actually running anything.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Does my Bradshaw look big in this? |
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 10:56:52 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Ken Blake writes: On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:45:24 -0500, Sam E wrote: Some people believe that installing antivirus software weakens the OS, providing more flaws viruses can use to infect it. Yes, probably some people believe that. Some people believe the earth is flat. Some people believe all sorts of false things. "Installing antivirus software weakens the OS" is one of the many false things that some people believe. Totally agree with you there. Also, a lot of problems come from AV interfering with things. Another false thing. Not 100% in agreement with you there - well, I suppose it depends on the interpretation of "a lot". Certainly, AV software _does_ interfere with things, although modern software (both the AV and the other applications) have improved a lot in recent years, such that you're less likely to encounter such problems than you were a few years ago. (A lot of the reason being changes in the OSs themselves, which now don't allow software to do things older ones did, so it's more that modern OSs do the "interfering" than the AV stuff doing it.) However if you run two or more anti-virus programs, yes, they can interfere with each other. You'd think that, in that if nothing else they'd see each others' signature tables and ring bells; and I've certainly seen reports of people who have experienced problems (mainly huge slowdown rather than false reporting); however, I _think_ I've also seen people who say they are running two or more without problems. People say all sorts of things. That doesn't make them true. But I should point out that not all anti-virus programs are equally good. Undoubtedly some of the poorer ones *can* cause problems. Yes, they vary. (And the "best" aren't always the most popular, or most advertised.) As far as I'm concerned, the two most popular and most advertised, Norton and McAfee, are also among the poorest. |
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Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7
KenW wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:49:19 +0200, Jesper Kaas wrote: Hi I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original installation DVD. But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from USB-stick and then connect to internet? Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other advice :-) Best regards Download your security programs and Win 7 installation files. Disconnect from the internet, install Win 7 and your security programs. Then you can connect to the internet. I don't know if that virus is still in the wild, but I got nailed once staying connected to the internet when installing Win7. Directly connected to a dialup modem or a broadband modem ? Or connected to a modem/router, with the router NAT cone to protect you ? If you used a router, a lot of trivial stuff can be stopped. SASSER would be stopped. SMB attacks would be stopped (because I don't think a router by default opens the Windows file sharing port - that would be a terrible feature!!!). My first router had IDENTD not stealthed, but that could be fixed with a port forwarding rule. I read somewhere it was a bad idea to leave it visible, but I've not read of a means of exploiting it. You should: 1) Be using IPV4 (because of coincidental NAT with IPV4 on ruter). 2) Be using a router, between the Internet and your computer (for the NAT, the network address translation). By matching outgoing ports to incoming ports, plus stateful packet inspection, it's possible to do a decent job of "hardening" your Internet side. It's not clear to me, other than security-by-obscurity (the 4 billion local addresses), how IPV6 can be made to afford the same level of coincidental protection. I know there are some idiots out there, running Windows connected directly to just the modem portion, then relying on the Windows Firewall to protect them, but that's like this... "The Windows Firewall... Wile E Coyote" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T...screencap).jpg All you need is for one clever Black Hat to find an exploit for the Windows Firewall, and then you're cooked. While looking up SASSER yesterday, I see there are more worm exploits out there than I was expecting. SASSER alone wouldn't be an issue unless you were installing one of the older OSes. But some of the others might actually need to be patched, to make the machine safe. In which case, a person could prepare a "patch kit" with WSUSOffline and inject ~150 security updates via a USB stick. I've done that before. It takes a while, no matter how you do it. HTH, Paul |
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Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7
Paul, I am connected to internet via a fibre-modem with a built in
router. Delivered by my ISP. I have only done changes to the wi-fi part of it, and can't say if it's got a firewall. But an indication that is has some protection is that I for tears have run virtual XP-machines in Oracle Virtualbox without any problems. They are all connected to internet, and I have not bothered to install antivirus software on all. Most of what you write below is way over my head, but it gives me some hints. But as Good Guy writes: I am too stupid to run a Windows system. Hope I won't get killed for top-posting, but think it is appropriate here. Besty regards On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 17:48:02 -0400, Paul wrote: Directly connected to a dialup modem or a broadband modem ? Or connected to a modem/router, with the router NAT cone to protect you ? If you used a router, a lot of trivial stuff can be stopped. SASSER would be stopped. SMB attacks would be stopped (because I don't think a router by default opens the Windows file sharing port - that would be a terrible feature!!!). My first router had IDENTD not stealthed, but that could be fixed with a port forwarding rule. I read somewhere it was a bad idea to leave it visible, but I've not read of a means of exploiting it. You should: 1) Be using IPV4 (because of coincidental NAT with IPV4 on ruter). 2) Be using a router, between the Internet and your computer (for the NAT, the network address translation). By matching outgoing ports to incoming ports, plus stateful packet inspection, it's possible to do a decent job of "hardening" your Internet side. It's not clear to me, other than security-by-obscurity (the 4 billion local addresses), how IPV6 can be made to afford the same level of coincidental protection. I know there are some idiots out there, running Windows connected directly to just the modem portion, then relying on the Windows Firewall to protect them, but that's like this... "The Windows Firewall... Wile E Coyote" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T...screencap).jpg All you need is for one clever Black Hat to find an exploit for the Windows Firewall, and then you're cooked. While looking up SASSER yesterday, I see there are more worm exploits out there than I was expecting. SASSER alone wouldn't be an issue unless you were installing one of the older OSes. But some of the others might actually need to be patched, to make the machine safe. In which case, a person could prepare a "patch kit" with WSUSOffline and inject ~150 security updates via a USB stick. I've done that before. It takes a while, no matter how you do it. HTH, Paul -- Jesper Kaas - |
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