Why Linux Sucks- 2020 Version

On 1/5/20 11:27 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:16, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:09 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:30, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:18 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 07:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Joel
Sat, 04 Jan 2020
19:46:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel
wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , William
Poaster wrote:

Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is
a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the
standard Linux kernel and basic operating system.

only the base. the rest of android is not.

Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even
though it's been explained clearly to you.Â* Linux *IS JUST THE*
kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux.
Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called
"Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are.Â* Linux was never imagined to be a
complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other
components come in.Â* So, you could say that Android isn't Unix,
but not that it isn't Linux.

What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux?


I didn't ask him.Â* I'm quite sure he would acknowledge that Linux
is a kernel, though, since that's what he designed it to be.


Que nospam informing us all that Linus would be using the wrong
definition to kernel. G


Linus talking about Chromebooks.
Interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFdoFKDuQA


Interesting video. Thanks. And I agree with him that ChromeBooks are
a key way for Linux to get to the desktop... and his other comments
on Flatpak are interesting, too.

Here is there site: https://flatpak.org

Not the exact same as what I have been saying but a lot of overlap.
Would like to learn more of what they mean by a "consistent
application environment".

Do you run Linux on your Apple computer?

I used to have a Mac which ran Linux full time... it was an older iMac
and the hard drive died. Ran Linux on an external drive and used it as
my media machine. Worked fairly well, including basic support for the
infrared remote (which is a good thing for a media machine). Now have
a newer old iMac and run macOS on it.

OK - thanks.

The external drive was just a USB thumb drive. Considering that it
worked amazingly well (though not flawless). Should have hooked up a
real hard drive to it... but never did.

I do run Linux in a VM from time to time. Just downloaded the newest
Mint and am playing a bit. Trying it on VirtualBox (have not updated
Parallels where I used to run them). Still trying to get used to
VirtualBox before I do much more with the VMs themselves.

How much does it cost to run a VM on an iMac?

Parallels is a LOT easier to use, at least from what I can see, but
VirtualBox is free.

https://www.parallels.com
https://www.virtualbox.org

There are other options, such as VMware, but I have not used that in
some time. Might spring for my $50 upgrade price on Parallels... though
VirtualBox does have some advantages (no need to install a driver on
Linux to get some features that require that with Parallels).


Will you point me in the general direction to learn more, please?

Right now I am using VirtualBox. Downloaded and installed the other day
-- then downloaded a couple versions of Mint. Went through the install
process in Virtual Box. Did run into a snag where its default drive size
is 10 GB but Mint requires more. Did not see an easy way to increase it
(perhaps just quitting the VM and then adjusting would have worked, but
did not even try that) and instead started from scratch.

That worked fairly well -- though the screen size of the VM was insanely
small. You can adjust that in settings but found that to work so-so at
best. I have two screens and perhaps that confused things?

Anyway, have it running now -- though not as fast as I think it would
under Parallels.

If you want more details I can, perhaps, make a video showing how I do
these things. Want to get back into making YouTube videos anyway.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 05/01/2020 18:30, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:19 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:13, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:05 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:49, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 10:36 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:23, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David
Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the
integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple
Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing
it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own
systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive
than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an
approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to
fork over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between
devices is not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you have
no iPhone or iPod or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you merely have
a Mac, the integration is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty crappy,
and yet I can fairly easily make a system service that allows me
to easily look for a message by Message ID, or look up text in
Google Translate, or add a package to my package tracker from a
tracking ID. And, yes, the ever-popular PDF annotation which
allows me to get a map or lesson plan or (gasp) recipe and add
quick annotations and send it to someone and / or save it myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they
can) but the integration built into macOS and most of the
programs that run on it make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter --
to be able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs based
on IP), and allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke of in
terms of setting Terminal background (and text) colors based on
desktop images, and doing his "challenge" of downloading all
recipes from allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and, essentially,
pipe them together to build my own workflows (very simple
applications even).

I'm uncertain why you couldn't find this, Snit:-

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157824546000

Hmmm, odd. Looking directly on Howard Knight it comes up, with this
URL:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...0 fx45.iad%3E
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E

My script pointed me to:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E





They're NEARLY the same - I've put them one above the other up there
^^^

Right... but not close enough to work.

That didn't show up as I had hoped.

https://imgur.com/BScY877

Sorry about that!

No problem. Already had done that comparison. Will fiddle with the
script later to see if I can improve it. The key issue is the Message ID
itself, which should be the top one listed here but comes out as the
second:

%3CpphQF.237564%24%25d1.80913%40fx45.iad%3E
%3E

Will make it so I have to select one of the following:

Message-ID:



But not any other text that has the ID. If I get real fancy might even
look for a colon and remove all text before that.

Good luck! :-)

I've just looked at our posts using the new Usenapp newsreader and my
two links looked exactly as I had hoped they would have done!

If you are uncertain what I'm 'on about', here's how Thunderbird shows
them on MY iMac:- https://imgur.com/Dybw3N4 One long line!

If you aren't familiar, you may explore he
https://www.usenapp.com/releasenotes/

--
David

On 1/5/20 11:46 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:30, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:19 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:13, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:05 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:49, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 10:36 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:23, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David
Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the
integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use
Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple
Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing
it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC
for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own
systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive
than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an
approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to
fork over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between
devices is not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you
have no iPhone or iPod or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you
merely have a Mac, the integration is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty
crappy, and yet I can fairly easily make a system service that
allows me to easily look for a message by Message ID, or look up
text in Google Translate, or add a package to my package tracker
from a tracking ID. And, yes, the ever-popular PDF annotation
which allows me to get a map or lesson plan or (gasp) recipe and
add quick annotations and send it to someone and / or save it
myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they
can) but the integration built into macOS and most of the
programs that run on it make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter --
to be able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs
based on IP), and allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke of
in terms of setting Terminal background (and text) colors based
on desktop images, and doing his "challenge" of downloading all
recipes from allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and,
essentially, pipe them together to build my own workflows (very
simple applications even).

I'm uncertain why you couldn't find this, Snit:-

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157824546000

Hmmm, odd. Looking directly on Howard Knight it comes up, with
this URL:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...0 fx45.iad%3E
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E

My script pointed me to:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E






They're NEARLY the same - I've put them one above the other up
there ^^^

Right... but not close enough to work.

That didn't show up as I had hoped.

https://imgur.com/BScY877

Sorry about that!

No problem. Already had done that comparison. Will fiddle with the
script later to see if I can improve it. The key issue is the Message
ID itself, which should be the top one listed here but comes out as
the second:

%3CpphQF.237564%24%25d1.80913%40fx45.iad%3E
%3E

Will make it so I have to select one of the following:

Message-ID:



But not any other text that has the ID. If I get real fancy might even
look for a colon and remove all text before that.

Good luck! :-)

I've just looked at our posts using the new Usenapp newsreader and my
two links looked exactly as I had hoped they would have done!

If you are uncertain what I'm 'on about', here's how Thunderbird shows
them on MY iMac:-Â* https://imgur.com/Dybw3N4Â*Â* One long line!

If you aren't familiar, you may explore he
https://www.usenapp.com/releasenotes/

Looked at the Usenapp site the other day and sent a request to be a beta
tester. So far no response, but it is the weekend.

I use Thunderbird because it is free -- but it SUCKS! No need to
convince me of that.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 10:18:49 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote:

Linus talking about Chromebooks.
Interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFdoFKDuQA

Thanks!

M.

On 5 Jan 2020 at 19:51:52 CET, "Snit" wrote:

Looked at the Usenapp site the other day and sent a request to be a beta
tester. So far no response, but it is the weekend.

Please check your spam folder. The email was sent the same day.


--
Thanks,
Andre

On 1/5/20 11:46 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:30, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:19 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:13, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:05 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:49, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 10:36 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:23, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David
Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the
integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use
Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple
Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing
it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC
for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own
systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive
than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an
approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to
fork over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between
devices is not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you
have no iPhone or iPod or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you
merely have a Mac, the integration is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty
crappy, and yet I can fairly easily make a system service that
allows me to easily look for a message by Message ID, or look up
text in Google Translate, or add a package to my package tracker
from a tracking ID. And, yes, the ever-popular PDF annotation
which allows me to get a map or lesson plan or (gasp) recipe and
add quick annotations and send it to someone and / or save it
myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they
can) but the integration built into macOS and most of the
programs that run on it make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter --
to be able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs
based on IP), and allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke of
in terms of setting Terminal background (and text) colors based
on desktop images, and doing his "challenge" of downloading all
recipes from allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and,
essentially, pipe them together to build my own workflows (very
simple applications even).

I'm uncertain why you couldn't find this, Snit:-

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157824546000

Hmmm, odd. Looking directly on Howard Knight it comes up, with
this URL:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...0 fx45.iad%3E
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E

My script pointed me to:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E






They're NEARLY the same - I've put them one above the other up
there ^^^

Right... but not close enough to work.

That didn't show up as I had hoped.

https://imgur.com/BScY877

Sorry about that!

No problem. Already had done that comparison. Will fiddle with the
script later to see if I can improve it. The key issue is the Message
ID itself, which should be the top one listed here but comes out as
the second:

%3CpphQF.237564%24%25d1.80913%40fx45.iad%3E
%3E

Will make it so I have to select one of the following:

Message-ID:



But not any other text that has the ID. If I get real fancy might even
look for a colon and remove all text before that.

Good luck! :-)

Now working. The issue was the percent sign. Have a text action with
this AppleScrpt:

-------
on run {theWord}
tell application "Mail"
set theAddress to extract address from theWord
end tell
set theAddress to "" & theAddress & ""
set thePercent to offset of "%" in theAddress
if thePercent â‰* 0 then
set theStart to items 1 through thePercent of theAddress as string
set theEnd to items (thePercent + 1) through -1 of theAddress as string
set theAddress to theStart & "25" & theEnd
end if
set theURL to
"http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=" & theAddress
tell application "Safari"
activate
open location theURL
end tell
end run
-------

To be safe should loop the looking for a % until there are none. A
project for another day.

I've just looked at our posts using the new Usenapp newsreader and my
two links looked exactly as I had hoped they would have done!

If you are uncertain what I'm 'on about', here's how Thunderbird shows
them on MY iMac:-Â* https://imgur.com/Dybw3N4Â*Â* One long line!

If you aren't familiar, you may explore he
https://www.usenapp.com/releasenotes/



--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 1/5/20 12:34 PM, Andre wrote:
On 5 Jan 2020 at 19:51:52 CET, "Snit" wrote:

Looked at the Usenapp site the other day and sent a request to be a beta
tester. So far no response, but it is the weekend.

Please check your spam folder. The email was sent the same day.


Got it. Thanks. Was not even in spam... I just missed it somehow.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 18:27:28 +0000, David
wrote:

How much does it cost to run a VM on an iMac?

Will you point me in the general direction to learn more, please?

I would stick with VMWare, because you could use your VM on all
platforms (Mac, Linux, Windows). And it´s polished and easy to use:
https://www.vmware.com/de/products/fusion.html
VMware Fusion
(...)

On Windows it`s called "VMWare (Workstation) Player". But in recent
years VMWare has stripped down functionality. In the past the free
VMWare Player could run several VMs at the same time. I`m using VMWare
Player 12.5.9 for that. Newest version can only run one VM per time,
otherwise one has to buy the Pro-Version.

On 05/01/2020 18:51, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:46 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:30, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:19 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:13, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:05 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:49, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 10:36 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:23, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David
Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the
integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use
Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple
Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing
it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a
PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own
systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive
than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an
approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration
between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to
fork over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between
devices is not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you
have no iPhone or iPod or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you
merely have a Mac, the integration is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty
crappy, and yet I can fairly easily make a system service that
allows me to easily look for a message by Message ID, or look
up text in Google Translate, or add a package to my package
tracker from a tracking ID. And, yes, the ever-popular PDF
annotation which allows me to get a map or lesson plan or
(gasp) recipe and add quick annotations and send it to someone
and / or save it myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they
can) but the integration built into macOS and most of the
programs that run on it make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter
-- to be able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs
based on IP), and allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke of
in terms of setting Terminal background (and text) colors based
on desktop images, and doing his "challenge" of downloading all
recipes from allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and,
essentially, pipe them together to build my own workflows (very
simple applications even).

I'm uncertain why you couldn't find this, Snit:-

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157824546000

Hmmm, odd. Looking directly on Howard Knight it comes up, with
this URL:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...0 fx45.iad%3E
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E

My script pointed me to:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E







They're NEARLY the same - I've put them one above the other up
there ^^^

Right... but not close enough to work.

That didn't show up as I had hoped.

https://imgur.com/BScY877

Sorry about that!

No problem. Already had done that comparison. Will fiddle with the
script later to see if I can improve it. The key issue is the Message
ID itself, which should be the top one listed here but comes out as
the second:

%3CpphQF.237564%24%25d1.80913%40fx45.iad%3E
%3E

Will make it so I have to select one of the following:

Message-ID:



But not any other text that has the ID. If I get real fancy might
even look for a colon and remove all text before that.

Good luck! :-)

I've just looked at our posts using the new Usenapp newsreader and my
two links looked exactly as I had hoped they would have done!

If you are uncertain what I'm 'on about', here's how Thunderbird shows
them on MY iMac:-Â* https://imgur.com/Dybw3N4Â*Â* One long line!

If you aren't familiar, you may explore he
https://www.usenapp.com/releasenotes/

Looked at the Usenapp site the other day and sent a request to be a beta
tester. So far no response, but it is the weekend.

A recent post from the developer:-

From: Andre
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Usenapp Beta Available
Message-ID:
User-Agent: Usenapp/0.64.1 alpha for MacOS
X-Complaints-To:
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 17:09:28 UTC
Organization: Eweka Internet Services
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 17:09:28 GMT

On 31 Dec 2019 at 08:47:00 CET, "RJH" wrote:

Spelling checker that highlights misspelled word;

Spell + grammar checker is now available and can be turned on/off in the
preferences.
Please use the Usenapp beta forum for your other requests so it's
centralised
for everyone to see and discuss.
--
Thanks,
Andre


I use Thunderbird because it is free -- but it SUCKS! No need to
convince me of that.

There's not been a lot of choice for Mac users. :-(

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David

On 1/5/20 1:11 PM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:51, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:46 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:30, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:19 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:13, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:05 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:49, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 10:36 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:23, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David
Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the
integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use
Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple
Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and
placing it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking,
applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so
forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a
PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own
systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive
than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an
approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration
between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to
fork over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between
devices is not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you
have no iPhone or iPod or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you
merely have a Mac, the integration is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty
crappy, and yet I can fairly easily make a system service that
allows me to easily look for a message by Message ID, or look
up text in Google Translate, or add a package to my package
tracker from a tracking ID. And, yes, the ever-popular PDF
annotation which allows me to get a map or lesson plan or
(gasp) recipe and add quick annotations and send it to someone
and / or save it myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they
can) but the integration built into macOS and most of the
programs that run on it make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter
-- to be able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs
based on IP), and allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke
of in terms of setting Terminal background (and text) colors
based on desktop images, and doing his "challenge" of
downloading all recipes from allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and,
essentially, pipe them together to build my own workflows
(very simple applications even).

I'm uncertain why you couldn't find this, Snit:-

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157824546000

Hmmm, odd. Looking directly on Howard Knight it comes up, with
this URL:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...0 fx45.iad%3E
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E

My script pointed me to:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E








They're NEARLY the same - I've put them one above the other up
there ^^^

Right... but not close enough to work.

That didn't show up as I had hoped.

https://imgur.com/BScY877

Sorry about that!

No problem. Already had done that comparison. Will fiddle with the
script later to see if I can improve it. The key issue is the
Message ID itself, which should be the top one listed here but comes
out as the second:

%3CpphQF.237564%24%25d1.80913%40fx45.iad%3E
%3E

Will make it so I have to select one of the following:

Message-ID:



But not any other text that has the ID. If I get real fancy might
even look for a colon and remove all text before that.

Good luck! :-)

I've just looked at our posts using the new Usenapp newsreader and my
two links looked exactly as I had hoped they would have done!

If you are uncertain what I'm 'on about', here's how Thunderbird
shows them on MY iMac:-Â* https://imgur.com/Dybw3N4Â*Â* One long line!

If you aren't familiar, you may explore he
https://www.usenapp.com/releasenotes/

Looked at the Usenapp site the other day and sent a request to be a
beta tester. So far no response, but it is the weekend.

A recent post from the developer:-

From: Andre
Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject: Usenapp Beta Available
Message-ID:
User-Agent: Usenapp/0.64.1 alpha for MacOS
X-Complaints-To:
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 17:09:28 UTC
Organization: Eweka Internet Services
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 17:09:28 GMT

On 31 Dec 2019 at 08:47:00 CET, "RJH" wrote:

Spelling checker that highlights misspelled word;

Spell + grammar checker is now available and can be turned on/off in the
preferences.
Please use the Usenapp beta forum for your other requests so it's
centralised
for everyone to see and discuss.

Downloaded and playing with now. Seems good -- though clearly in beta
form. Have suggestions I will post later (to the beta forum).

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17:10 CET, "Snit" wrote:

Downloaded and playing with now. Seems good -- though clearly in beta
form. Have suggestions I will post later (to the beta forum).

It's in alpha, not beta.


--
Thanks,
Andre

On 05/01/2020 19:55, Michael Logies wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 18:27:28 +0000, David
wrote:

How much does it cost to run a VM on an iMac?

Will you point me in the general direction to learn more, please?

I would stick with VMWare, because you could use your VM on all
platforms (Mac, Linux, Windows). And it´s polished and easy to use:
https://www.vmware.com/de/products/fusion.html
VMware Fusion
(...)

On Windows it`s called "VMWare (Workstation) Player". But in recent
years VMWare has stripped down functionality. In the past the free
VMWare Player could run several VMs at the same time. I`m using VMWare
Player 12.5.9 for that. Newest version can only run one VM per time,
otherwise one has to buy the Pro-Version.

Thanks, Michael :-)

I'll explore here tomorrow:- https://www.vmware.com/products/fusion.html

I never did learn German!

--
David

On 05/01/2020 18:37, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:27 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:16, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:09 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:30, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:18 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 07:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Joel
Sat, 04 Jan 2020
19:46:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel
wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , William
Poaster wrote:

Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is
a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the
standard Linux kernel and basic operating system.

only the base. the rest of android is not.

Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even
though it's been explained clearly to you.Â* Linux *IS JUST THE*
kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux.
Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called
"Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are.Â* Linux was never imagined to be a
complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other
components come in.Â* So, you could say that Android isn't Unix,
but not that it isn't Linux.

What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux?


I didn't ask him.Â* I'm quite sure he would acknowledge that Linux
is a kernel, though, since that's what he designed it to be.


Que nospam informing us all that Linus would be using the wrong
definition to kernel. G


Linus talking about Chromebooks.
Interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFdoFKDuQA


Interesting video. Thanks. And I agree with him that ChromeBooks
are a key way for Linux to get to the desktop... and his other
comments on Flatpak are interesting, too.

Here is there site: https://flatpak.org

Not the exact same as what I have been saying but a lot of overlap.
Would like to learn more of what they mean by a "consistent
application environment".

Do you run Linux on your Apple computer?

I used to have a Mac which ran Linux full time... it was an older
iMac and the hard drive died. Ran Linux on an external drive and used
it as my media machine. Worked fairly well, including basic support
for the infrared remote (which is a good thing for a media machine).
Now have a newer old iMac and run macOS on it.

OK - thanks.

The external drive was just a USB thumb drive. Considering that it
worked amazingly well (though not flawless). Should have hooked up a
real hard drive to it... but never did.

I do run Linux in a VM from time to time. Just downloaded the newest
Mint and am playing a bit. Trying it on VirtualBox (have not updated
Parallels where I used to run them). Still trying to get used to
VirtualBox before I do much more with the VMs themselves.

How much does it cost to run a VM on an iMac?

Parallels is a LOT easier to use, at least from what I can see, but
VirtualBox is free.

https://www.parallels.com
https://www.virtualbox.org

There are other options, such as VMware, but I have not used that in
some time. Might spring for my $50 upgrade price on Parallels... though
VirtualBox does have some advantages (no need to install a driver on
Linux to get some features that require that with Parallels).


Will you point me in the general direction to learn more, please?

Right now I am using VirtualBox. Downloaded and installed the other day
-- then downloaded a couple versions of Mint. Went through the install
process in Virtual Box. Did run into a snag where its default drive size
is 10 GB but Mint requires more. Did not see an easy way to increase it
(perhaps just quitting the VM and then adjusting would have worked, but
did not even try that) and instead started from scratch.

That worked fairly well -- though the screen size of the VM was insanely
small. You can adjust that in settings but found that to work so-so at
best. I have two screens and perhaps that confused things?

Anyway, have it running now -- though not as fast as I think it would
under Parallels.

If you want more details I can, perhaps, make a video showing how I do
these things. Want to get back into making YouTube videos anyway.

I appreciate the information. Thank you, Snit.

If you want to practice making a video, I promise that I will watch it!

--
David

In article , David
wrote:


You may subscribe to 'alt.computer.workshop' should you so wish.

As moderator of the group, I've not actually banned anyone yet! ;-)

you're not a moderator of anything, nor is alt.computer.workshop a
moderated group.

On 05/01/2020 20:21, Andre wrote:
On 5 Jan 2020 at 21:17:10 CET, "Snit" wrote:

Downloaded and playing with now. Seems good -- though clearly in beta
form. Have suggestions I will post later (to the beta forum).

It's in alpha, not beta.

Ha! :-D Regardless, you are doing a FANTASTIC job, Andre! Thanks.

Have you any notion of what the final product cost will be?

Will it be made available via the Apple App Store?

--
David