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  #121  
Old January 5th 20, 05:51 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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XS11E wrote:
Snit wrote:

How about we all just use what we like and speak of the pros and
cons without attacking each other for having a different
preference?


Better yet, how about we all just recognise that I'm RIGHT and everyone
else is WRONG as we've always done? GD&R





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  #122  
Old January 5th 20, 07:51 AM posted to alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2020-01-05, AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 1/3/2020 8:54 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , vallor
wrote:


I have built Preamps and power amps of both types and prefer the solid
state ones hands down.

i also did long ago. i never much cared for designing analog circuits.

A good portion of solid state circuits are analog.


a much larger portion of them are digital.


Not in the sense of power amplification. A lot of integrated circuit
designers do the analog work inside the chip that goes out to the power
amps. The power amps are analog and will always be analog.
Just less analog design to do at that point.


Well, class D is sort of digitial (pulse width modulation).


  #123  
Old January 5th 20, 07:56 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 2020-01-05, AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 1/4/2020 5:09 AM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On 2020-01-04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 02/01/2020 18.34, nospam wrote:
In article , John Wesley Harding
wrote:

And, with mobile phones, Linux has taken over the world.

no it hasn't.

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android
built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux.

It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P


Android is not GNU. Then again it is Linux.


There seems to be a division of opinions on all of this.
So, who would be the authority on this topic?
The creators of Android, which is google.
I'd go by what google has to say. I couldn't say it is or it isn't.


Fine, you can go with them, but that does not make them them right. They
admit it is the Linux kernel, which at least for me is the defining
characteristic of Linux, not the stuff on top of the kernel. They
certainly have a very different user GUI, but then so do KDE or Gnome,
or CUI, or .... all of which call themselves Linux.
But it is a discussion with extremely low stakes. And Google may have a
stake in not calling it Linux.

  #124  
Old January 5th 20, 08:27 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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nospam
Fri, 03 Jan 2020
23:19:49 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

In article
XnsAB39AB4368593HT1@UOIXMMu3V6w40awHiSnqrQGYKkmK3 z2SK9mFDhrI8N.Ip9
03poH P, Diesel wrote:

And, with mobile phones, Linux has taken over the world.

no it hasn't.


Pretty much it has.


no, it definitely hasn't.


I disagree.

linus ix mostly used in servers and embedded devices, *not* the
desktop or pocket.


Android uses the Linux kernel. A modified version, but, linux non the
less. And as far as modified version goes, that's not unique. My
router uses linux too.

linux on the desktop is 1% share. for mobile, it's either android
or ios. android has a stripped down kernel with android on top and
ios does not have any linux whatsoever (although does use a
significant amount of open source components).


It doesn't matter that Android isn't using the same Linux kernel as
any of my desktops, it's still Linux. My router isn't using the same
kernel either, but, it's still Linux.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with
android built on top of it. all apps are written to android
apis, not linux.


LINUX itself IS ONLY the kernel.


when people say linux, they mean the full install, not just the
kernel, which is useless without anything else.


I don't care what some! people mean when they say linux, they clearly
have the terminology wrong. You're normally anal concerning proper
usage of terminology, why try for an exception here?

android uses a stripped down linux kernel since quite a bit of it
is not relevant for a mobile device or android itself.


The keypoint, that you yourself agree, is that it's using a Linux
kernel. That makes it, Linux.

Android is just as much a linux distro
as redhat, slack, debian, mint, etc are.


android is in no way a linux distro like redhat etc.


It's using a linux kernel. It has it's own utilities and shell. In
those ways, it's the same as nearly any other linux distro.

note that android is listed separately in the link above, not
lumped into linux.


That's a matter of more detailed statistical analysis. Instead of
just grouping all Linux kernel based systems under Linux. No
different than if one were to keep tabs on which versions of Windows
are still in use.


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  #125  
Old January 5th 20, 08:27 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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nospam
Sat, 04 Jan 2020
17:39:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

In article , William
Poaster wrote:

Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is a
Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the
standard Linux kernel and basic operating system.


only the base. the rest of android is not.


Linux itself IS ONLY THE KERNEL. It doesn't matter what the rest (wtf?)
of Android is, or isn't. It's Linux, because, *drum roll*, it's using a
Linux kernel.


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  #126  
Old January 5th 20, 08:27 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Joel
Sat, 04 Jan 2020
19:46:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel
wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , William
Poaster wrote:

Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is
a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the
standard Linux kernel and basic operating system.

only the base. the rest of android is not.

Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even
though it's been explained clearly to you. Linux *IS JUST THE*
kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux.
Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called
"Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are. Linux was never imagined to be a
complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other
components come in. So, you could say that Android isn't Unix,
but not that it isn't Linux.


What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux?



I didn't ask him. I'm quite sure he would acknowledge that Linux
is a kernel, though, since that's what he designed it to be.


Que nospam informing us all that Linus would be using the wrong
definition to kernel. G


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  #127  
Old January 5th 20, 08:27 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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nospam
Sat, 04 Jan 2020
17:39:26 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:


from google i/o a while back:
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png


No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age
of "alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers
don't have a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is
not the kernel but GNU C library, and the utilities are part of
the shell not the kernel. It modular, whatever you wrap around
the kernel doesn't nullify that it is Linux.


i'm not the one saying it.

*google* states that android is not linux.


No, you misunderstood them.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...ion-to-google-
andro id-for-developers/
Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the
platform has very little in common with the conventional desktop
Linux stack. In fact, during a presentation at the Google IO
conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously
that Android is not Linux.


They admit it's Linux. First sentence. Nobody said it had to be
using a 'desktop' linux stack to be Linux. They took Linux kernel
source and heavily modified it for their own purposes, which is
perfectly fine. It's *still* a Linux kernel, so Android is *still*
Linux.

why don't you tell google that they're wrong.


Tell them what? They aren't claiming Android is another desktop Linux
distro. The one my router uses is heavily modified too, for the
routers hardware/software needs, obviously. It's still Linux though.
It's not the same kernel as any of my desktops are using, but, that
doesn't make the router or my android phone any less/more linux than
the desktops are. Just to make it more interesting, my desktops
aren't all using the same kernels either. They are all still, Linux
though.

Linux is JUST THE KERNEL, after all.



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  #128  
Old January 5th 20, 08:43 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?


That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D


How so?


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  #129  
Old January 5th 20, 08:54 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Diesel wrote:
David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?


That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D


How so?


Can only answer for myself, but the integration between applications on the
desktop with each other and the OS services, and the integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus.

I can give examples if you like.

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  #130  
Old January 5th 20, 09:03 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?


That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D


How so?


"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

  #131  
Old January 5th 20, 09:33 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D


How so?


"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D



You are welcome.

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  #132  
Old January 5th 20, 10:01 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 05/01/2020 08:33, Snit wrote:
David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?


"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D



You are welcome.


Thanks. :-)

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the content of the video which
you will find he- MID

I've set the 'Follow-Up' of this post to MY group - 'acw' (one I
commandeered some years ago because it was 'unused')

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  #133  
Old January 5th 20, 10:29 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , Diesel
wrote:

android uses a stripped down linux kernel since quite a bit of it
is not relevant for a mobile device or android itself.


The keypoint, that you yourself agree, is that it's using a Linux
kernel. That makes it, Linux.


the kernel is linux, not the rest.

Android is just as much a linux distro
as redhat, slack, debian, mint, etc are.


android is in no way a linux distro like redhat etc.


It's using a linux kernel. It has it's own utilities and shell. In
those ways, it's the same as nearly any other linux distro.


if that were true, then you would be able to natively install android
apps on 'nearly any other linux distro' and linux apps on an android
phone.

since that's not possible, your assertion is false.
  #134  
Old January 5th 20, 10:29 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , Diesel
wrote:

from google i/o a while back:
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png


No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age
of "alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers
don't have a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is
not the kernel but GNU C library, and the utilities are part of
the shell not the kernel. It modular, whatever you wrap around
the kernel doesn't nullify that it is Linux.


i'm not the one saying it.

*google* states that android is not linux.


No, you misunderstood them.


there's nothing to misunderstand. it's very clear.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...ion-to-google-
andro id-for-developers/
Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the
platform has very little in common with the conventional desktop
Linux stack. In fact, during a presentation at the Google IO
conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously
that Android is not Linux.


They admit it's Linux. First sentence.


first sentence says it's built *on* *top* *of*, not is.

Nobody said it had to be
using a 'desktop' linux stack to be Linux. They took Linux kernel
source and heavily modified it for their own purposes, which is
perfectly fine. It's *still* a Linux kernel, so Android is *still*
Linux.


reread the last sentence:
Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously
that Android is not Linux.

  #135  
Old January 5th 20, 10:54 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 09:01:01 +0000, David
wrote:


I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the content of the video which
you will find he


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