Switch off automatic file sorting?

When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Terry Pinnell wrote:
When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

View Sort by pick a field that will not change when renamed.


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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

View Sort by pick a field that will not change when renamed.

Thanks. That's a clever solution and I may well adopt it, but it's not
really ideal for my purposes. I typically start with files in filename
order and step through, selectively renaming certain ones. So I want to
simply see the names change after my F2 edit and decide myself when to
resort them.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Terry Pinnell wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

View Sort by pick a field that will not change when renamed.

Thanks. That's a clever solution and I may well adopt it, but it's not
really ideal for my purposes. I typically start with files in filename
order and step through, selectively renaming certain ones. So I want to
simply see the names change after my F2 edit and decide myself when to
resort them.

Well you are kind of asking the impossible. It you are sorting the
directory alphabetically by name and you change the name of a file is
will directory impact the sort.

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Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:56:16 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

View Sort by pick a field that will not change when renamed.

Thanks. That's a clever solution and I may well adopt it, but it's not
really ideal for my purposes. I typically start with files in filename
order and step through, selectively renaming certain ones. So I want to
simply see the names change after my F2 edit and decide myself when to
resort them.

Well you are kind of asking the impossible. It you are sorting the
directory alphabetically by name and you change the name of a file is
will directory impact the sort.

IIRC, XP had the behavior where (re)sorts would wait, so you could do
what Terry is describing. However, I also remember renaming files and
they would jump to the bottom of the list, so I could be wrong.

Terry Pinnell wrote:

When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...e-disable.html
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/win...ndows-7-and-8/

Maybe it's auto-arrange of Windows Explorer you want to disable. The
above is for Windows 7. Don't know if it still works on Windows 10.

I tried it for a while but quit. Was great when using Windows Explorer
to make changes. Auto-arrange is especially a nuisance when using a
thumbnail view within a folder, double-click on one of them to view, and
then WE refreshed the list which meant I was at the top of the list
instead of still scrolled down to the one that I had picked. However, I
sometimes found other programs might make changes in the folder and I
wouldn't see it until I hit F5 to manually refresh the list. Disabling
auto-arrange also disables auto-refresh. If you don't mind doing a
manual refresh to update the list to catch a newly added file or remove
a deleted one then this might work for you.

You could use the batch files in the 2nd article or use their commands
or those in the 1st article to define shortcuts to toggle the
auto-arrange function.

Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:56:16 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

View Sort by pick a field that will not change when renamed.

Thanks. That's a clever solution and I may well adopt it, but it's not
really ideal for my purposes. I typically start with files in filename
order and step through, selectively renaming certain ones. So I want to
simply see the names change after my F2 edit and decide myself when to
resort them.

Well you are kind of asking the impossible. It you are sorting the
directory alphabetically by name and you change the name of a file is
will directory impact the sort.

IIRC, XP had the behavior where (re)sorts would wait, so you could do
what Terry is describing. However, I also remember renaming files and
they would jump to the bottom of the list, so I could be wrong.

No, you're correct. After 15 years of XP immediately followed by Win 10
I miss quite a few of its features. Being unable to choose when a sort
takes place seems a clear backward step to me.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

VanguardLH wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:

When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...e-disable.html
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/win...ndows-7-and-8/

Maybe it's auto-arrange of Windows Explorer you want to disable. The
above is for Windows 7. Don't know if it still works on Windows 10.

I tried it for a while but quit. Was great when using Windows Explorer
to make changes. Auto-arrange is especially a nuisance when using a
thumbnail view within a folder, double-click on one of them to view, and
then WE refreshed the list which meant I was at the top of the list
instead of still scrolled down to the one that I had picked. However, I
sometimes found other programs might make changes in the folder and I
wouldn't see it until I hit F5 to manually refresh the list. Disabling
auto-arrange also disables auto-refresh. If you don't mind doing a
manual refresh to update the list to catch a newly added file or remove
a deleted one then this might work for you.

You could use the batch files in the 2nd article or use their commands
or those in the 1st article to define shortcuts to toggle the
auto-arrange function.

This article appears to be saying its approach no longer works in Win
10.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

One lateral idea I received is not too bad: before starting the
renaming, change the sort to a field that is almost sure to remain
untouched, such as Date Created. After some experiment I found I could
get to that quite quickly with the KB sequence Alt, v, z, 3, O (that's
letter O). Needless to say, that's amenable to a simple macro.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

On 09/20/2017 09:53 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:
When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

View Sort by pick a field that will not change when renamed.

So there's no way to actually disable sorting? There's times when I
would find it useful to do so.

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AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION. It comes bundled with the software."

Terry Pinnell wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:

When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...e-disable.html
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/win...ndows-7-and-8/

Maybe it's auto-arrange of Windows Explorer you want to disable. The
above is for Windows 7. Don't know if it still works on Windows 10.

I tried it for a while but quit. Was great when using Windows Explorer
to make changes. Auto-arrange is especially a nuisance when using a
thumbnail view within a folder, double-click on one of them to view, and
then WE refreshed the list which meant I was at the top of the list
instead of still scrolled down to the one that I had picked. However, I
sometimes found other programs might make changes in the folder and I
wouldn't see it until I hit F5 to manually refresh the list. Disabling
auto-arrange also disables auto-refresh. If you don't mind doing a
manual refresh to update the list to catch a newly added file or remove
a deleted one then this might work for you.

You could use the batch files in the 2nd article or use their commands
or those in the 1st article to define shortcuts to toggle the
auto-arrange function.

This article appears to be saying its approach no longer works in Win
10.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

What it notes is:

While you can still arrange items how you like, they will now reset
back to their original position whenever you close/open or refresh (F5)
the folder window.

Well, you're problem was while you were *in* File Explorer the files
were moving around due to auto-arrange. Well, if you close the folder
(focus on another), exit Windows Explorer, or you decide to do a manual
refresh then you're still not afflicted with *auto*-arrange WHILE you
are in File Explorer.

Have you tried the registry edits to see if the behavior change is what
you want or not?

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 19:58:30 +0100, Terry Pinnell
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:56:16 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

View Sort by pick a field that will not change when renamed.

Thanks. That's a clever solution and I may well adopt it, but it's not
really ideal for my purposes. I typically start with files in filename
order and step through, selectively renaming certain ones. So I want to
simply see the names change after my F2 edit and decide myself when to
resort them.

Well you are kind of asking the impossible. It you are sorting the
directory alphabetically by name and you change the name of a file is
will directory impact the sort.

IIRC, XP had the behavior where (re)sorts would wait, so you could do
what Terry is describing. However, I also remember renaming files and
they would jump to the bottom of the list, so I could be wrong.

No, you're correct. After 15 years of XP immediately followed by Win 10
I miss quite a few of its features. Being unable to choose when a sort
takes place seems a clear backward step to me.

I'm sure you're discovering quite a few of those backward steps as you
find your way around Win 10. Personally, I have one laptop running 8.x
(configured to look and work like 7) and everything else runs Win 7. To
me, Win 10 isn't ready for prime time and may never be. MS didn't have
me in mind when they created it.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:44:06 +0100, Terry Pinnell
wrote:

When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

When using File Explorer to view files in a folder, would clicking on
"Size" work for you?

Terry Pinnell schreef op 20-09-2017
in :
When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always
immediately sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to
toggle that on or off please? Research found a couple of registry
hacks which would not be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer

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MdW.

Terry Pinnell wrote:
When I rename files in a Win 10 folder the folder is always immediately
sorted. Is there a no-brainer way or a freeware tool to toggle that on
or off please? Research found a couple of registry hacks which would not
be quick.

Or maybe there's a simple folder option and I haven't found it?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Just as an aside, Microsoft has been messing with File Explorer,
even in the latest release. This tutorial no longer works
in the latest release of Win10 (opening the folder is enough
to trigger auto-arrange again, despite registry settings - that
is what the warning at the top of the page says).

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

The behavior of File Explorer was always pretty weird
anyway. It would take a brave developer to mess with it.
The individual who fixed the refresh bugs (such that F5
is no longer needed on a regular basis), that person
was a genius.

Paul

"Terry Pinnell" wrote

| IIRC, XP had the behavior where (re)sorts would wait, so you could do
| what Terry is describing. However, I also remember renaming files and
| they would jump to the bottom of the list, so I could be wrong.
|
| No, you're correct.

Actually it's both. There are obscure options under
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\
ShellNoRoam\Bags\[number]\Shell\ to control whether
sorting happens immediately and whether new files
are created within the folder window frame or outside
it, creating a horizontal scrollbar.

In XP it tends to be somewhat arbitrary because the
whole system doesn't work properly in the first place.
In Vista/7 they then broke that system. Both systems
can be repaired to some extent. XP more so than 7. I
don't know about Win10. And I also don't know offhand
exactly what the settings are. (I keep meaning to ferret
out that info because I have a couple of XP folders that
add new files way off to the right side, out of sight.)

In short, it will take some searching to find the setting
and there's a good chance it's broken in Win10. The
theme there seems to be "We know best what you need
and we don't like people customizing".