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  #16  
Old July 31st 15, 06:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Keith Nuttle
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not justhype)?

On 7/31/2015 9:43 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-07-31 8:25 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/31/2015 2:52 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

[...]
Can you explain in a little more detail what you mean by access to
every LAN
in the world? What kind of access? What are you calling a LAN link?

LAN Link Wireless connection between a Wireless Router and a computer.

If you access a LAN with the SSID of X, and enter the passcode of
1233455667 to establish the connection with that LAN; Microsoft collects
this information and saves it on their server.

So for everybody that use MS Windows 8.1 (possible 7 and more in likely
10), all of the SSID's with passcodes for every LAN's they have ever
accessed are on MS servers. ie Every LAN in the world for those using
Windows, can be obtained by hacking MS.

[...]

Not the case here. My desktop hasn't a clue which wi-fi routers the
tablet has accessed. I looks like the difference is that I don't use
Skydrive/Onedrive. That's what the cloud is for, common data storage for
all your devices. Looks like you set up a cloud account (instead of a
local account) when you activated Win8.

Have a good day,

How do you stop MS from Collecting this data? That is the $64,000
question.

I learned that about MS's collection of lan SSID's and Passwords, when I
bought my tablet. I had used my Windows 8.1 laptop at my brother's and
daughter's LAN's. When I got my Windows 8.1 tablet one of the concerns
was finding all the passwords to their LAN's that I had on the Laptop.
After I had activated Windows 8.1 on the tablet, I realized that my
wallpaper, Opening screen, and all of the LAN's I had accessed were on
the tablet. While in some ways it was nice, on thinking about it I
found it quite disturbing that MS was collection such personal information.

To check the stored networks on your computer use these commands

-------------------
open CMD

To see stored wireless profiles, type:

netsh wlan show profiles

To see the stored key (WPA/WEP/etc) of a specific profile:

netsh wlan show profiles name= [profile name] key=clear

You'll find the key content under security settings.

To delete a stored profile:

netsh wlan delete profile name=[profile name]

This will delete the stored profile of every WLAN interface. If you want
to delete the profile of a specific WLAN interface, you need to use the
following:

netsh wlan delete profile name=[profile name] interface=[interface name]

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Old July 31st 15, 06:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not just hype)?

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 08:25:45 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

ie Every LAN in the world for those using
Windows, can be obtained by hacking MS.


They still have to login to your machine.
  #18  
Old July 31st 15, 07:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not just hype)?

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 08:37:10 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I see no reason to stick to an obsolete or outdated OS just because it
is the OS I am familiar with; and at some point in the future have tech
shock as I try to catch up, when forced to upgrade.


That's why many of us are sticking with Win 7. It's neither obsolete nor
outdated, and it's supported for five more years. Best of all, it doesn't
bring the baggage that W10 brings, and that's just referring to the things
we know about. I'm sure more W10 baggage will be uncovered in the coming
weeks.

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  #19  
Old July 31st 15, 08:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not just hype)?

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:52:12 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 7/31/2015 9:43 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-07-31 8:25 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/31/2015 2:52 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

[...]
Can you explain in a little more detail what you mean by access to
every LAN
in the world? What kind of access? What are you calling a LAN link?

LAN Link Wireless connection between a Wireless Router and a computer.

If you access a LAN with the SSID of X, and enter the passcode of
1233455667 to establish the connection with that LAN; Microsoft collects
this information and saves it on their server.

So for everybody that use MS Windows 8.1 (possible 7 and more in likely
10), all of the SSID's with passcodes for every LAN's they have ever
accessed are on MS servers. ie Every LAN in the world for those using
Windows, can be obtained by hacking MS.

[...]

Not the case here. My desktop hasn't a clue which wi-fi routers the
tablet has accessed. I looks like the difference is that I don't use
Skydrive/Onedrive. That's what the cloud is for, common data storage for
all your devices. Looks like you set up a cloud account (instead of a
local account) when you activated Win8.

Have a good day,

How do you stop MS from Collecting this data? That is the $64,000
question.

I learned that about MS's collection of lan SSID's and Passwords, when I
bought my tablet. I had used my Windows 8.1 laptop at my brother's and
daughter's LAN's. When I got my Windows 8.1 tablet one of the concerns
was finding all the passwords to their LAN's that I had on the Laptop.
After I had activated Windows 8.1 on the tablet, I realized that my
wallpaper, Opening screen, and all of the LAN's I had accessed were on
the tablet. While in some ways it was nice, on thinking about it I
found it quite disturbing that MS was collection such personal information.

To check the stored networks on your computer use these commands


snip

Those commands show what's stored on the local machine. What command do you
run to show what's stored at MS?

I don't have any kind of MS account and don't use their online storage. What
other vectors exist that I should check?

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Old July 31st 15, 09:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not justhype)?

On 2015-07-31 3:20 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-07-31 1:52 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

How do you stop MS from Collecting this data? That is the $64,000
question.


Don't use their cloud (Skydrive/Onedrive). But it looks like you have
connected to the cloud with both machines. I think you're hosed. Someone
else may know how to clean out the cloud data and disconnect from it,
but I know nothing about that. I'm not connected to MS's cloud or
anybody else's.

NB that if you click "connect automatically", your computer stores the
network passwords on your machine. That's handy if you go visit your
brother again, since you won't have to pester him to tell you the
password. All my devices have the necessary passwords, but I had to
enter them all by hand.

Have a good day,


If people don't mind paying for an e-mail service, I would suggest that
they consider using StartMail (American) or Unseen.is (Icelandic). Both
use GnuPG which is open-source encryption and not potentially
back-doored like the RSA in Outlook. If you insist on keeping a
Microsoft account but don't want to use their e-mail system, you can
create an account on a different e-mail server, add an alias to your
Microsoft account to that new e-mail address and destroy your
Outlook.com address thereafter. That way, your Microsoft account will be
tied to the new e-mail address and you will get all of the benefits of
that type of account with Microsoft getting any kind of access to your
e-mail communications.

However, we know for a fact that Outlook.com, Skype and OneDrive are
part of the PRISM program so trusting that they won't monitor a user is
foolish.


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  #21  
Old July 31st 15, 10:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Neil
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (notjust hype)?

On 7/31/2015 3:20 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-07-31 1:52 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

How do you stop MS from Collecting this data? That is the $64,000
question.


Don't use their cloud (Skydrive/Onedrive). But it looks like you have
connected to the cloud with both machines. I think you're hosed. Someone
else may know how to clean out the cloud data and disconnect from it,
but I know nothing about that. I'm not connected to MS's cloud or
anybody else's.

I'm guessing, like the rest of the gang 8-) but, I think the data in
question is used to sync devices' apps and data via the users' MS
account, regardless of whether they use their Skydrive/Onedrive.

It's a convenience, a risk, and that security ship sailed long ago. But,
it's less of a threat than traveling around using open networks with
your smart phone. ;-)

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Old July 31st 15, 10:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Keith Nuttle
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not justhype)?

On 7/31/2015 3:04 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
I don't have any kind of MS account and don't use their online storage. What
other vectors exist that I should check?

Only God knows what MS has collected from your computer.

I know of know way to learn everything that MS has.


The reason for the command was that on poster said there was no LAN
information on his computer. I posted them so he could see how many
there were
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Old August 1st 15, 02:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Wolf K wrote in message


Use Media Player Classic, and/or VLC.


I use both all the time and they're fine.
I also add the free Klite codec pack.
And, the old version of the Super translator.
Plus GSpot to figure out what codecs are used.

Pretty much, that sets you up fine for *playing* any video.

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Old August 1st 15, 04:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not just hype)?

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 08:37:10 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I see no reason to stick to an obsolete or outdated OS just because it
is the OS I am familiar with; and at some point in the future have tech
shock as I try to catch up, when forced to upgrade.


I see no reason to change to a new operating system when the existing
one does all the things I need it to do.

If the new features are just Gee-Whiz bells and whistles, then the new
system will probably use more memory, which means there is less memory
available for apps, which means I might need to upgrade my hardware,
so even a "free" OS upgrade can be expensive.


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