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In ,
Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 04/02/11 06:09 am, BillW50 wrote:

Evidently, marketing. IMHO, that was IBM's shortcoming with OS2 -
they had a better product.

No way! I ran OS/2 v2.x and I was a beta tester for OS/2 v3. And the
beta testing things were doing just fine. But just like in IBM's
style, they screwed up in the released version. They changed many of
the drivers and a huge amount of beta testers couldn't even get it to
install (including myself).

Better product, my eye! I have at least a dozen computers right in
this room alone. And I can take that Warp install CD and I can
guarantee you that it will not install on any of them. Then there
was all of those FixPaks! Most of them broke more than they fixed.
And old bugs were coming back to haunt OS/2. That is because every
time IBM tried to fix something, they made it worse than ever
before. Then they would plug back the old code that had the old bugs.

It wasn't a failure of IBM's marketing! Hell IBM spent 2 billion
dollars on OS/2 alone. It was a failure of IBM's programmers
couldn't program their way out of a wet paper bag. And IBM made
promises they couldn't keep. This later became well known as FUD.

I used Warp 3 and Warp 4 on many different machines, and for many
years now I have been using its OEM successor, eComStation, on modern
hardware. (Why be surprised that Warp4, released in 1996, doesn't have
drivers for much-newer hardware?) The machine on which I am typing
this is running eComStation 2.0 on a 3GHz dual-core machine with a
mixture of SATA and SCSI drives; the on-board sound and Gigabit
networking work. It also runs fine on a ThinkPad T61. The only
trouble I've ever had installing it was from an IDE optical drive on
a machine with a weird combo IDE/FireWire chip, but once I installed
an SATA optical drive eCS installed and ran just fine -- on a 3.4GHz
quad-core machine (OS/2 had support for 64 CPUs from way back).

Perce

You didn't install the original OS/2 v3 on any machine that has more
than 512MB HDD. As you can't! As Warp would claim something like you
need more than 20MB to install and you don't have enough room. Somewhere
around FixPak 5 finally fixed this.

When you buy OS/2, they don't tell you which FixPak version OS/2 has in
the box. So you don't know which one you are getting. There is a code
stamped on the box though and that is where the secret is to which
FixPak version you have. But you need a code book to read it.

Of course, IBM promised that if you didn't like OS/2 after you bought
it, they would buy it back. So how could you lose right? So I went down
to my computer store and bought it. And when I got home it wouldn't even
install. Taken it back to the store and they said they don't refund
opened boxes.

Called up IBM and told them I need a refund. And they sorry, they won't
refund my money unless I bought it directly from them. I didn't bother
to ask if the shrink wrap had to be on the box too. All I know is IBM
lies all of the time and people gets tired of it.

Sure years after the original Warp release OS/2 started to make some
real progress. But by then, almost nobody cared. As all of those bad
years before ruined it for most people.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era)
Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

In ,
Alias wrote:
Bill eats MS FUD for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Alias always has his foot in his mouth. Okay your turn Alias, where is
your evidence? Frankly I personally believe you make this crap up. As I
never known you to be truthful about anything.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era)
Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

"BillW50" wrote in message ...
In ,
Alias wrote:
I have nuked Windows on net books and installed Linux on dozens of net
books for people unhappy with Windows and all the malware it gets.
You, as usual, don't know what the **** you're talking about.

The truth is the pot is calling the kettle black again. Okay Alias, show us the
data that supports your claim? As the last data I saw Linux was still less than 1%
of desktop users.

Not knocking Linux but aside from their servers which are better than the ones MS
has, their Desktop and laptop users are less than 1% of the total in the world

What I never got an answer from any Linux user is why is Linux free and how do they
pay their employees when they give it away.
I know the answer but nobody in the Linux fanclub has yet hit on it

Also as far as vulnerabilities goes, Linux is way up there also

http://www.vupen.com/english/linux-advisories/2

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In ,
Gordon wrote:
On 02/04/2011 12:38, Big Steel wrote:

You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an
architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe you.

Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web servers
are Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the
Windows ones DO?

Really? Then who are buying all of those Linux antivirus software then?

Viruses and Worms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mputer_viruses
Malwa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
Viruses: http://vx.netlux.org/ (http://vx.netlux.org/vl.php)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era)
Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

On 04/02/2011 04:37 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
Bill eats MS FUD for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Alias always has his foot in his mouth. Okay your turn Alias, where is
your evidence? Frankly I personally believe you make this crap up. As I
never known you to be truthful about anything.


Observations, son, observations. You make it obvious. State one lie I've
posted (you can't).

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Alias

On 04/02/2011 03:59 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
I have nuked Windows on net books and installed Linux on dozens of net
books for people unhappy with Windows and all the malware it gets.
You, as usual, don't know what the **** you're talking about.

The truth is the pot is calling the kettle black again.

False. You don't know what the **** you're talking about.

Okay Alias, show
us the data that supports your claim?

Personal experience.

As the last data I saw Linux was
still less than 1% of desktop users.


Based on a Windows biased survey of web sites frequented by mostly
Windows users. There are MILLIONS of people, organizations, business and
governments using Linux.

--
Alias

On 04/02/2011 04:56 PM, Peter Foldes wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
Alias wrote:
I have nuked Windows on net books and installed Linux on dozens of net
books for people unhappy with Windows and all the malware it gets.
You, as usual, don't know what the **** you're talking about.

The truth is the pot is calling the kettle black again. Okay Alias,
show us the data that supports your claim? As the last data I saw
Linux was still less than 1% of desktop users.

Not knocking Linux but aside from their servers which are better than
the ones MS has, their Desktop and laptop users are less than 1% of the
total in the world

According to ONE company that monitors web sites visitors. It never says
which web sites and surely doesn't monitor all web sites.


What I never got an answer from any Linux user is why is Linux free and
how do they pay their employees when they give it away.

Tech support, what else?

I know the answer but nobody in the Linux fanclub has yet hit on it

Also as far as vulnerabilities goes, Linux is way up there also

http://www.vupen.com/english/linux-advisories/2


All operating systems have vulnerabilities. With Linux, they are patched
much quicker.

--
Alias

On 02/04/2011 15:56, Peter Foldes wrote:


Also as far as vulnerabilities goes, Linux is way up there also

http://www.vupen.com/english/linux-advisories/2


Another one who doesn't know the difference between Linux (the KERNEL)
and APPLICATIONS that run on Linux. Most of those vulnerabilities are
for APPLICATIONS, not Linux, the Kernel. Unlike Windows which has masses
of vulnerabilities ON ITS OWN....

On 04/02/2011 03:54 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
Never said that. What I *have* said is that Linux is bulletproof
*compared* to Windows.

A Linux virus gains root control by a simple buffer overflow. So how is
it bulletproof compared to Windows? Gee that is how Windows viruses does
it too. Maybe Linux should try another bulletproof vest? ;-)

You're an idiot.


Having said that, those vulnerabilities were patched long ago, please
try to keep up or can you with that big steel shoved up your sorry
ass?

Gee Windows doesn't get patches too? Funny that is what I thought those
Windows Updates are for. ;-)

There are vulnerabilities dating back years that have never been
patched. Linux patches when the patches are ready, not once a month.


So when did Linux become Gold and there is no more holes in Linux to be
found? I missed that announcement, so can you show it to us? Because the
last I heard is that Linux had holes in it since the beginning, three
years ago, today and long into the future.


What, exactly, do you not understand about the words "compared to"?

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Alias

On 04/02/2011 04:58 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Gordon wrote:
On 02/04/2011 12:38, Big Steel wrote:

You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an
architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe you.

Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web servers
are Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the
Windows ones DO?

Really? Then who are buying all of those Linux antivirus software then?

The same people who think they can buy the Brooklyn Bridge.


Viruses and Worms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mputer_viruses
Malwa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
Viruses: http://vx.netlux.org/ (http://vx.netlux.org/vl.php)



--
Alias

On 04/02/2011 05:16 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 02/04/2011 15:56, Peter Foldes wrote:


Also as far as vulnerabilities goes, Linux is way up there also

http://www.vupen.com/english/linux-advisories/2


Another one who doesn't know the difference between Linux (the KERNEL)
and APPLICATIONS that run on Linux. Most of those vulnerabilities are
for APPLICATIONS, not Linux, the Kernel. Unlike Windows which has masses
of vulnerabilities ON ITS OWN....

Good point.

--
Alias

In ,
Alias wrote:
On 04/02/2011 04:37 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
Bill eats MS FUD for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Alias always has his foot in his mouth. Okay your turn Alias, where
is your evidence? Frankly I personally believe you make this crap
up. As I never known you to be truthful about anything.

Observations, son, observations. You make it obvious. State one lie
I've posted (you can't).

Virtually every post of yours contains lies. You just can't help
yourself. Even in this one alone has three lies:

1) Bill eats MS FUD for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

2) Observations, son, observations.

3) State one lie I've posted (you can't).

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era)
Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

On 02/04/2011 3:58 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Gordon wrote:
On 02/04/2011 12:38, Big Steel wrote:

You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an
architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe you.

Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web servers
are Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the
Windows ones DO?

Really? Then who are buying all of those Linux antivirus software then?

Viruses and Worms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mputer_viruses
Malwa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
Viruses: http://vx.netlux.org/ (http://vx.netlux.org/vl.php)


He's a Linux troll and, as all of his playmates on here don't bother any
more, he's found someone else to play with. YOU!!

He's known for spreading FUD about Windows on here and doesn't know what
he's talking about....

http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/154765/187/

So, leave him alone and let him play with himself, again.

On 04/02/2011 05:19 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
On 04/02/2011 04:37 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias wrote:
Bill eats MS FUD for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Alias always has his foot in his mouth. Okay your turn Alias, where
is your evidence? Frankly I personally believe you make this crap
up. As I never known you to be truthful about anything.

Observations, son, observations. You make it obvious. State one lie
I've posted (you can't).

Virtually every post of yours contains lies. You just can't help
yourself. Even in this one alone has three lies:

1) Bill eats MS FUD for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

True.


2) Observations, son, observations.

True.

3) State one lie I've posted (you can't).


And, true. Oops, nice try but no cigar.

--
Alias

On 04/02/2011 05:20 PM, Boscoe wrote:
On 02/04/2011 3:58 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Gordon wrote:
On 02/04/2011 12:38, Big Steel wrote:

You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an
architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe you.

Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web servers
are Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the
Windows ones DO?

Really? Then who are buying all of those Linux antivirus software then?

Viruses and Worms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mputer_viruses
Malwa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
Viruses: http://vx.netlux.org/ (http://vx.netlux.org/vl.php)


He's a Linux troll and, as all of his playmates on here don't bother any
more, he's found someone else to play with. YOU!!

He's known for spreading FUD about Windows on here and doesn't know what
he's talking about....

Liar.


http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/154765/187/

So, leave him alone and let him play with himself, again.

Gosh, a rip off web site that tries to scare Linux users into buying
their anti malware software. Not very convincing, sport.

--
Alias