No email on W-7

"Big Steel" wrote in message
m...

Just use Thunderbird it is free.

I downloaded it. It's better than WLM so if I can't get WM to work on W7,
as stated above. That will be my choice and I'll uninstall WLM.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:56:00 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

[snip]

Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple
non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control.

Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and
select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of
the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then
scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding
both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional
singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have
everything selected that you want.

Thank you! I did not know that fine point of selecting more than
one range.

GUIs are so much more intuitive than CLIs. cough, cough I
never bought that argument.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, RH Breener wrote:

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.

Count your blessings.

I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all.

If you say what you don't like, people might be able to suggest
something that wouldn't have those disadvantages for you.

Actually after working with Thunderbird for awhile I think I'll be able to
live with it. It's just more confusing than WM, and after using one type of
email program for 12 years, it's hard to switch.


Personally, I struggled with Pegasus for a long time, and Thunderbird
has been a breath of fresh air.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

"Paul" wrote in message
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RH Breener wrote:
Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy
of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?


Found an interesting tidbit in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail

"Windows 7

It is found in a folder titled 'Windows Mail', but it is unused.
Windows Mail can be re-enabled in Windows 7, but the file itself
is hidden and doesn't load anything at all. Look on
http://www.sevenforums.com/
for information on re-enabling WinMail.exe."

I couldn't find anything at that site relevant to enabling WM on W-7. It's
like looking for needle in a haystack at that site.


I found the tutorial here.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

That looks complicated enough, I'd do a "System Image" of my
Windows 7 partitions, before trying it. Then, if you get in
trouble, recovery is painless.

How do I do a "system image?" I don't have software (?) to do that. This
is so complicated I'm not feeling comfortable doing it.

I once used Norton Ghost to make an image of my HD and it was useless when
the computer had problems. I ended up reformatting the HD.


And if you get it working, there are web pages for setup.

http://www.sfsu.edu/~helpdesk/email/WindowsMail/

Paul

"Nil" wrote in message
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On 19 Jun 2012, Paul wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Found an interesting tidbit in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail

"Windows 7

It is found in a folder titled 'Windows Mail', but it is
unused. Windows Mail can be re-enabled in Windows 7, but the
file itself is hidden and doesn't load anything at all. Look
on http://www.sevenforums.com/ for information on re-enabling
WinMail.exe."

I found the tutorial here.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

That looks complicated enough, I'd do a "System Image" of my
Windows 7 partitions, before trying it. Then, if you get in
trouble, recovery is painless.

And if you get it working, there are web pages for setup.

http://www.sfsu.edu/~helpdesk/email/WindowsMail/

I tried it and it worked! I had made an earlier attempt a year or two
ago, where I tried copying the Windows Mail folder from a Vista
installation, but I couldn't get it to work. This new (to me) method
works, and now I have Windows Mail on this Win7 computer. I may never
use it, but at least I know it can be done.

How did you get Permission to add the dll in that WM folder? Unlike other
versions of W, this version W7 does not allow the owner to do as they want
which I deeply resent. Pernission to do something on my own PC? The 'Take
Ownership' download was opened but didn't work. How can I take ownership?

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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RH Breener wrote:

I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.

That's just one part of the wonderful bloatware that HP pre-installs on
their computer. When you purchase a pre-built computer with a
pre-installed OS means you get bloatware.

Not everyone can build their own computer. Most of us have no choice.


Windows 7 doesn't come with an e-mail client. HP decided they knew best
what you should use for an e-mail client. Complain to HP about all the
bloatware they toss on their pre-built, pre-configured computers.

There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as
in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't
find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of
downloaded mail.

This newsgroup discusses Windows 7. A better newsgroup for discussing
Windows Live Mail is:

microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

By the way, yes, you can get WLM to *not* download e-mails that exceed a
maximum size. After installing WLM into virtual machine, it took longer
to find out how to get at the dialog to define rules then to see if a
rule clause were available to limit the size of downloads.

For your claim of "no way to set a rule to keep large files from
downloading", how long did you spend looking at the clauses that you can
add to rules? What was the reason you didn't want to select to include
the following clauses in a rule?

Huh? I couldn't even find the hidden place to add them until someone posted
it here.


Where the message is more than size
Do not Download it from the server

Did you add the stop clause to this rule (so subsequent rules don't
force a download should they have to interrogate the body of the
message)? If you have more than one rule defined, where was this one
positioned within your set of rules? That is, what other rules were
defined before this one?

You lost me since until someone here told me how to find the rule setting
place, I had no idea where it was.


How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7?

Several posters have mentioned that you cannot run Outlook Express on
Windows 7. Well, that's strictly true under Windows 7 itself but not if
you have an edition of Windows 7 that runs XP Mode which is a virtual
machine running a copy of Windows XP and which does include Outlook
Express. "W-7" doesn't tell anyone WHICH edition of Windows 7 that you
are using. If your edition of Windows 7 supports XP Mode, yes, you can
run Outlook Express under the VM for Windows XP as a guest running under
Windows 7.

http://www.mydigitallife.info/how-to...-in-windows-7/

I'm more interested in running WindowsMail, not OE on the new computer. But
for some reason MS doesn't allow the person who buys W7 or gets it on their
new PC to do as they want. What the hell is with this "ermission" nonsense?
I can't follow the directions of getting WM to work because I can't get
control of the files already on my W7 PC.

How the hell do I get Administrator permission when I am the administrator
of the computer? The "take control" software download didn't work.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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RH Breener wrote:

I can't locate the place to make the rules, ...

See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents
downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were
available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in
the newer version.

And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules
in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and
use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar
displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under
the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest
version won't install on Windows XP.

The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by
using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version,
you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get to
see the Message Rules button.

Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7
http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...00000000000%7D
(found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule)

I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using
Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS doesn't
have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like WLM and
are looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers.




MS isn't going to promote Thunderbird. They want everyone to drink their
kool-aid.

Not promote Thunderbird... a place to download WindowsMail for those of us
who can't stand WLM.



Mozilla Newsgroups:

news.mozilla.org
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:41:08 -0700, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows.

To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. -
Delete.

To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll
down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. -
Delete.

To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key
while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete.

Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple
non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control.

Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and
select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of
the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then
scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding
both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional
singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have
everything selected that you want.

Thank you.


--

Char Jackson

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:21:12 -0700, RH Breener wrote:

This PC is set to auto-update and is so new I have no idea if it has SP1
installed. Where would I look to see if it's already there?

Open the Start Menu, right click the "Computer" shortcut and choose
"Properties".

The info is in the top part of the panel in the section labeled "Windows
edition".

Just for kicks, read the whole panel while you're there :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)


I has SP1.

"Chris S." wrote in message
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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brevity snipped

Not really a patch. You just need to copy it from Windows Vista to
Windows 7.

From what I read online this morning, there's more to it than that. It's
more complicated than moving say a DVD burner program from Vista to W-7
and firing it up. And on some forums people tried it and couldn't get it
to work for them.

Vista's WinMail has been working well on Win 7 for well over a year and a
half
on my main machine.

How did you get it to work? The software to gain control I downloaded did
nothing. I'm the Administrator of this PC and yet can't do what I want and
it's making me resentful. What's with all the "permissions" crap on W-7?

When you copy it over from Vista, don't forget to give yourself full
permissions
on all of the files.

How? I'm new to W-7 and none of this 'permissions' makes sense to me. How
do you give yourself "full permissions?"

And start the Winmail.exe from a shortcut pinned to
your taskbar.

Chris

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:22:37 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:56:00 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

[snip]

Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple
non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control.

Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and
select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of
the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then
scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding
both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional
singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have
everything selected that you want.

Thank you! I did not know that fine point of selecting more than
one range.

You're welcome. I use the technique frequently and have been surprised
at how few others seem to know about it.

GUIs are so much more intuitive than CLIs. cough, cough I
never bought that argument.

Each has its fans and detractors.

--

Char Jackson

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
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"Peter Jason" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote:

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a
really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy
of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

I had this sort of trouble when I upgraded from
XP. I finally bit the bullet and bought
Outlook10 and have not regretted it.
Peter

Can I try before I buy? A trial period perhaps? Is it like WindowsMail
on Vista?


You can download a trial here.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook

FYI: Outlook does not do news.

OK, then I would not be interested at all.


When I got this Win7 machine, I did the WinMail hack and have it for news
ever since. (Check my message headers). I used WLMail 2009 for about a
month and switched to TB. TB is a bit different than OE, but it's got some
great free add-ons. Like "mail merge" for one.

http://www.google.com/search?q=thund...I7GGHP_enUS449

Thanks... I'm only learning to use it now so I'll skip the complications of
add-ons for awhile.


--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

RH Breener wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
FYI: Outlook does not do news.

OK, then I would not be interested at all.

Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything,
but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program for
e-mail and newsgroups. I don't at all mind having two programs, one for
each use, and in some ways I ever prefer it--for example, I can have
both open at once.

Using separate applications removes you from the possibility of sending a
private email to a newsgroup.

Not quite.

Both of the newsreaders that are currently set up here will let me reply
to a Usenet post via e-mail.

I usually don't click the wrong button :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:32:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

RH Breener wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
FYI: Outlook does not do news.

OK, then I would not be interested at all.

Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything,
but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program for
e-mail and newsgroups. I don't at all mind having two programs, one for
each use, and in some ways I ever prefer it--for example, I can have
both open at once.

Using separate applications removes you from the possibility of sending a
private email to a newsgroup.

Not quite.

Both of the newsreaders that are currently set up here will let me reply
to a Usenet post via e-mail.

I usually don't click the wrong button :-)

It's easy in Agent to move the two reply buttons to opposite ends of the
toolbar, but occasionally one has a senior moment...
--
Robin Bignall
Herts, England

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:10:53 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:22:37 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

[snip]

Thank you! I did not know that fine point of selecting more than
one range.

You're welcome. I use the technique frequently and have been surprised
at how few others seem to know about it.

I have never read anything on it. Thinking it ought to be
possible, I tried a bit of experimenting, but did not think to try
Ctrl and Shift together.

GUIs are so much more intuitive than CLIs. cough, cough I
never bought that argument.

Each has its fans and detractors.

I use both. I find CLIs usually to be beter documented. GUIs
are supposedly intuitive so fine points get omitted, like the one you
just documented for me.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko