How many of you are ready to run out and upgrade to Windows 8?

On 06/10/12 08:40, Steve Hayes wrote:
but not the months (if not years) that a fresh instal
would require.

Eh? You're not SERIOUS are you? The last time (about a month ago) I did
a fresh install of Window 7 it took all of about four hours - INCLUDING
all updates and re-instatement of all data and MS Office 2010.
If it really does take you that long then you're doing something really
wrong...

On 06/10/12 10:21, Dave-UK wrote:
like booting straight to the Desktop

???? There are STILL people around who don't see the security
implications of that?

Choose the version, click 'Shop this edition'
- the prices and option for full or upgrade (if available in your area)
should show up.

Note: You'll have to test it (since I'm in the US) and find out if
geographical limits are involved.
Also not sure if payment methods are restricted to credit cards for a given
geographical area.

--
....winston
msft mvp mail


"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 22:29:58 -0400, "...winston"
wrote:

South Africa
Windows 7 Full Versions
http://www.kalahari.com/electronics/software/5717.aspx

I can get a full version anywhere. It's the upgrade from Vista that is hard
to
find.

Microsoft Store
Windows 7 Full and Upgrade
35 languages
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/...oryID.44066700

But it does not make it clear whether the prices are for the full or upgrade
version.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Gordonbp wrote:
On 06/10/12 08:40, Steve Hayes wrote:
but not the months (if not years) that a fresh instal would
require.

Eh? You're not SERIOUS are you? The last time (about a month ago) I
did a fresh install of Window 7 it took all of about four hours -
INCLUDING all updates and re-instatement of all data and MS Office
2010. If it really does take you that long then you're doing
something really wrong...

It only takes a few hours to install Windows and major applications, but
it takes months or years to add all the little things and do all the
little tweaks that make it comfortable and familiar. It's like breaking
in a new pair of shoes.
--
Crash

"Bureaucracy is a giant mechanism operated by pygmies."
~ Honore de Balzac ~

"Gordonbp" wrote in message ...
On 06/10/12 10:21, Dave-UK wrote:
like booting straight to the Desktop

???? There are STILL people around who don't see the security
implications of that?


Are you asking me a question ?

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 13:14:07 +0100, Gordonbp wrote:

On 06/10/12 08:40, Steve Hayes wrote:
but not the months (if not years) that a fresh instal
would require.

Eh? You're not SERIOUS are you? The last time (about a month ago) I did
a fresh install of Window 7 it took all of about four hours - INCLUDING
all updates and re-instatement of all data and MS Office 2010.
If it really does take you that long then you're doing something really
wrong...

Well if MS Office is the only software you use, I suppose it would be that
easy. Only one program to reinstal.

By Winsows 7 puts stuff in differen places from XP, and possibly from Vista
for all I know, So I'm not sure how you reinstate all data, when the Windows 7
documentation is practically non-existent, and finding out where it puts stuff
is not at all easy.




--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:40:51 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:


But when I needed to replace my desktop computer, I bought a new one without
an operating system and restored my Acronis backups. It took me a few hours to
update drivers, etc, but not the months (if not years) that a fresh instal
would require.


If that's the case, you've been extremely lucky. A backup from one
computer will normally not run on a different one, and a clean
installation is required.

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 13:14:07 +0100, Gordonbp
wrote:

On 06/10/12 08:40, Steve Hayes wrote:
but not the months (if not years) that a fresh instal
would require.

Eh? You're not SERIOUS are you? The last time (about a month ago) I did
a fresh install of Window 7 it took all of about four hours - INCLUDING
all updates and re-instatement of all data and MS Office 2010.
If it really does take you that long then you're doing something really
wrong...


Well, "months (if not years)" has to be an overstatement as far as I'm
concerned, but for me, it's much longer than four hours. I've done
clean reinstallation of Windows only once, and it took me two days. I
had a lot more software to install than just Microsoft Office, and I
had many programs with custom configurations to set, etc.

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 13:08:04 +0100, Gordonbp
wrote:

On 05/10/12 21:46, choro wrote:

Win 3.11 was the network capable version, wasn't it?--
choro
*****

Windows for Workgroups IIRC.....


That's not correct. See my earlier messages in this thread. There was
a Windows for Workgroups 3.11 *and* a Windows 3.11.

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:40:51 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

But when I needed to replace my desktop computer, I bought a new one without
an operating system and restored my Acronis backups. It took me a few hours to
update drivers, etc, but not the months (if not years) that a fresh instal
would require.

As others have said, if a fresh install (OS, apps, tweaks) takes more
than about 4-6 hours, you're probably jumping into it unprepared.
Likewise, if installing or updating drivers takes a few hours by
itself, something is definitely out of whack.

Having said that, it's also true that some people just work slower
than others. But still, a MONTH? Clearly an exaggeration.

--

Char Jackson

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 10:11:16 +0100, choro wrote:

On 06/10/2012 08:45, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 22:29:58 -0400, "...winston" wrote:

South Africa
Windows 7 Full Versions
http://www.kalahari.com/electronics/software/5717.aspx

I can get a full version anywhere. It's the upgrade from Vista that is hard to
find.

Microsoft Store
Windows 7 Full and Upgrade
35 languages
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/...oryID.44066700

Tried accessing web page but got this...

"We're sorry. The site you are attempting to access is restricted in
your region."

Sh*t!

Use a proxy based in the country of your choice.

--

Char Jackson

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 13:14:07 +0100, Gordonbp
wrote:

On 06/10/12 08:40, Steve Hayes wrote:
but not the months (if not years) that a fresh instal
would require.

Eh? You're not SERIOUS are you? The last time (about a month ago) I did
a fresh install of Window 7 it took all of about four hours - INCLUDING
all updates and re-instatement of all data and MS Office 2010.
If it really does take you that long then you're doing something really
wrong...

Four hours sounds about right. If there are a lot of apps and/or a lot
of customizations, six hours isn't too unreasonable.

--

Char Jackson

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:11:01 -0400, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
wrote:

Gordonbp wrote:
On 06/10/12 08:40, Steve Hayes wrote:
but not the months (if not years) that a fresh instal would
require.

Eh? You're not SERIOUS are you? The last time (about a month ago) I
did a fresh install of Window 7 it took all of about four hours -
INCLUDING all updates and re-instatement of all data and MS Office
2010. If it really does take you that long then you're doing
something really wrong...

It only takes a few hours to install Windows and major applications, but
it takes months or years to add all the little things and do all the
little tweaks that make it comfortable and familiar. It's like breaking
in a new pair of shoes.

When you say months or years, do you mean an additional hour?

--

Char Jackson

In message , Ed Cryer
writes:
[]
So many PC users are going to give Win8 the brush-off that MS will

Probably more than is fair; there seem to be an awful lot of people out
there who have decided 8 is bad without really giving it a chance: they
took one look at the default interface, cried "I don't like 'phones",
and never gave it a second look. (Rather like someone I know on UMRA who
will never touch a certain variety of apple [fruit, not computer!]
because of a single example he tried on a railway station in the 1960s
or '80s.)

[I have no axe to grind here - I'm happy with XP, and only moved to it
from '98lite because of the latter's poor USB support - though XP _is_
more stable, I admit. If you're wondering why I take this 7 'group, it
was initially because I was setting up a new machine for a friend a year
or two ago, and I've stayed because I like the people here.]

probably have to keep supporting Win7 for decades.

They have no obligation to beyond what they've stated (and possibly not
even that).

"XP rules ok" had its day, but Win7 users will start the revolution at
the suggestion of an end to support.

With about as much success (-:.

One slight problem looms for me. What about those buying new OEM PCs?
They'll have Win8 on them. And so many new PCs are sold every day in
the western world. Will those people learn to appreciate Win8? Or will

It isn't that they'll "learn to appreciate it", it's that they won't
know anything else, until they have to work with dinosaurs like us who
are using the older OSs; their reaction will be "what a strange way to
do things". You like the OS you first use a lot.

they strip them down with things like Classic Shell?

Ed

If they're older users familiar with older OSs, yes - or some of them
will; some will learn to use (if not love) 8, and whatever comes next.
But new users who haven't really used PCs much before (especially if
they _have_ used 'phones or whatever 8 is supposed to resemble) will
just learn it the way we did '9x/XP/7.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Do ministers do more than lay people?

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 15:54:08 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

By Winsows 7 puts stuff in differen places from XP, and possibly from Vista
for all I know, So I'm not sure how you reinstate all data, when the Windows 7
documentation is practically non-existent, and finding out where it puts stuff
is not at all easy.

I'm not sure I see your concern. The personal folder hierarchy is
extremely similar between XP and 7. Only the top level folder differs,
(Documents and Settings versus Users). Copying your personal data from
XP to 7 is a simple task, requiring little or no actual thought.

Also, Windows 7 has the best built-in documentation of any Windows
version, by leaps and bounds, and whatever is missing from there is
likely on the web or here in this group.

--

Char Jackson