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Windows 8 SP1
On 11/10/2012 4:29 PM, Chris S. wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 11/10/2012 3:39 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:30:33 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... On 11/10/2012 2:57 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. But not often *before* it is released. And I repeat: this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. Or do you think they should wait longer before releasing the updates for some reason? It is foolish to think that all of the bugs that the updates released shortly after Win 7 etc. were released to fix were discovered and fixed after the OS was released. So, as with previous OS releases, folks on the consumer preview and early adopters of the RTM reported bugs and MS fixed and tested some of them and released them - in this case, more quickly than before. What in the world is wrong with that? Nothing - but all the beta testing and changes should be done before the release is announced and initiated. Otherwise they are taking money for a product known to be faulty. Naturally other things will need patching from time to time as the hackers get smarter and get to grips with the newly released software, but on release day the product should be complete as far as Microsoft know. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK ALL software products are "known to be faulty" when they are released. Is this your first computer? Perfection is hard to achieve, but many programs come close, and you certainly don't have to apply a service pack on Day 1. I wrote a pharmacy dispensing program (using DOS, and then QuickBasic) in the early days of computing (before you were born, maybe - 1985?) of which I sold a few copies, and no bugs were ever reported back to me. I, and others, tested it for months - it wasn't by accident that it worked straight out of the box. Just for one other example - there are hundreds - I'll pick a Microsoft one. My copy of Outlook 2007 has never fallen over since I installed it (it has had the odd background patch, of course). Neither did the last one - 2003. Standards have fallen, yes, but not as far as you think - there is still some good stuff out there. Windows 8 isn't one of them. Don't worry, Windows 9 won't be far behind. Windows 7 support will be extended long enough for me not to care either way. But you'll have to forgive me for laughing at Windows 8 - because that's what it is - a joke. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK A preposition must never be used to end a sentence with. And never start a sentence with a conjunction. |
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Windows 8 SP1
On 11/10/2012 4:33 PM, ray wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:57:05 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. Debian Stable. It has been thoroughly tested by the time it is released. Of course there are security updates as the issues are detected. You're correct - but even I get bored waiting for new Debian releases :-) -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first." - Ronald Reagan |
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On 11 Oct 2012 15:33:10 GMT, "ray" wrote in article
... On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:57:05 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. Debian Stable. It has been thoroughly tested by the time it is released. Of course there are security updates as the issues are detected. I said "modern"... ;-) -- Zaphod The secret of flying is to hurl yourself to the ground, and miss. |
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Windows 8 SP1
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:29:42 -0400, "Chris S." cside38
@nospamverizon.net wrote in article ... "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 11/10/2012 3:39 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:30:33 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... On 11/10/2012 2:57 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. But not often *before* it is released. And I repeat: this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. Or do you think they should wait longer before releasing the updates for some reason? It is foolish to think that all of the bugs that the updates released shortly after Win 7 etc. were released to fix were discovered and fixed after the OS was released. So, as with previous OS releases, folks on the consumer preview and early adopters of the RTM reported bugs and MS fixed and tested some of them and released them - in this case, more quickly than before. What in the world is wrong with that? Nothing - but all the beta testing and changes should be done before the release is announced and initiated. Otherwise they are taking money for a product known to be faulty. Naturally other things will need patching from time to time as the hackers get smarter and get to grips with the newly released software, but on release day the product should be complete as far as Microsoft know. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK ALL software products are "known to be faulty" when they are released. Is this your first computer? +1 -- Zaphod Arthur: All my life I've had this strange feeling that there's something big and sinister going on in the world. Slartibartfast: No, that's perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the universe gets that. |
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Windows 8 SP1
"Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 11/10/2012 4:33 PM, ray wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:57:05 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. Debian Stable. It has been thoroughly tested by the time it is released. Of course there are security updates as the issues are detected. You're correct - but even I get bored waiting for new Debian releases :-) -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK Born in 1938. Got my EE from Purdue in 1962. Semi retired from this business, but still manage to keep up.... Chris |
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On 11/10/2012 4:52 PM, Chris S. wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 11/10/2012 4:33 PM, ray wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:57:05 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. Debian Stable. It has been thoroughly tested by the time it is released. Of course there are security updates as the issues are detected. You're correct - but even I get bored waiting for new Debian releases :-) -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK Born in 1938. Got my EE from Purdue in 1962. Semi retired from this business, but still manage to keep up.... My mistake - it sounded like a kid's comment. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK Monday is a terrible way to spend 1/7th of your life. |
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Windows 8 SP1
On 11/10/2012 4:52 PM, Chris S. wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 11/10/2012 4:33 PM, ray wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:57:05 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. Debian Stable. It has been thoroughly tested by the time it is released. Of course there are security updates as the issues are detected. You're correct - but even I get bored waiting for new Debian releases :-) -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK Born in 1938. Got my EE from Purdue in 1962. Semi retired from this business, but still manage to keep up.... My mistake - it sounded like a kid's comment. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK Monday is a terrible way to spend 1/7th of your life. |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:51:20 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On 11 Oct 2012 15:33:10 GMT, "ray" wrote in article ... On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:57:05 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. Debian Stable. It has been thoroughly tested by the time it is released. Of course there are security updates as the issues are detected. I said "modern"... ;-) Quantify it however you want, but there are certainly levels of useability. Years ago I learned never to install any version x.0 of an OS from DEC - for the simple reason that there were too many bugs to make it really useable in a scientific setting. I have yet to see MS release an OS in which the initial offering was anything I would consider to be much better than a beta test release. |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:51:20 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On 11 Oct 2012 15:33:10 GMT, "ray" wrote in article ... On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:57:05 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. Debian Stable. It has been thoroughly tested by the time it is released. Of course there are security updates as the issues are detected. I said "modern"... ;-) Quantify it however you want, but there are certainly levels of useability. Years ago I learned never to install any version x.0 of an OS from DEC - for the simple reason that there were too many bugs to make it really useable in a scientific setting. I have yet to see MS release an OS in which the initial offering was anything I would consider to be much better than a beta test release. |
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"Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 11/10/2012 4:52 PM, Chris S. wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 11/10/2012 4:33 PM, ray wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:57:05 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. Debian Stable. It has been thoroughly tested by the time it is released. Of course there are security updates as the issues are detected. You're correct - but even I get bored waiting for new Debian releases :-) -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK Born in 1938. Got my EE from Purdue in 1962. Semi retired from this business, but still manage to keep up.... My mistake - it sounded like a kid's comment. Perhaps to a kid, it would! Chris |
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On 11 Oct 2012 16:27:49 GMT, "ray" wrote in article
... On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:51:20 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On 11 Oct 2012 15:33:10 GMT, "ray" wrote in article ... On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:57:05 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. Debian Stable. It has been thoroughly tested by the time it is released. Of course there are security updates as the issues are detected. I said "modern"... ;-) Quantify it however you want, but there are certainly levels of useability. Missed the smiley face did you? Years ago I learned never to install any version x.0 of an OS from DEC - for the simple reason that there were too many bugs to make it really useable in a scientific setting. I have yet to see MS release an OS in which the initial offering was anything I would consider to be much better than a beta test release. Same could be said for every Linux release out there, with the possible exception of Debian stable - but then, almost nobody runs pure Debian stable because it is so out of date. -- Zaphod "The best Bang since the Big One" - Eccentrica Gallumbits |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:42:59 +0100, "Bob Henson"
wrote in article ... On 11/10/2012 4:29 PM, Chris S. wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 11/10/2012 3:39 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:30:33 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... On 11/10/2012 2:57 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. But not often *before* it is released. And I repeat: this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. Or do you think they should wait longer before releasing the updates for some reason? It is foolish to think that all of the bugs that the updates released shortly after Win 7 etc. were released to fix were discovered and fixed after the OS was released. So, as with previous OS releases, folks on the consumer preview and early adopters of the RTM reported bugs and MS fixed and tested some of them and released them - in this case, more quickly than before. What in the world is wrong with that? Nothing - but all the beta testing and changes should be done before the release is announced and initiated. Otherwise they are taking money for a product known to be faulty. Naturally other things will need patching from time to time as the hackers get smarter and get to grips with the newly released software, but on release day the product should be complete as far as Microsoft know. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK ALL software products are "known to be faulty" when they are released. Is this your first computer? Perfection is hard to achieve, but many programs come close, and you certainly don't have to apply a service pack on Day 1. I wrote a pharmacy dispensing program (using DOS, and then QuickBasic) in the early days of computing (before you were born, maybe - 1985?) of which I sold a few copies, and no bugs were ever reported back to me. I, and others, tested it for months - it wasn't by accident that it worked straight out of the box. I'd wager I could find at least one. Just for one other example - there are hundreds - I'll pick a Microsoft one. My copy of Outlook 2007 has never fallen over since I installed it (it has had the odd background patch, of course). Neither did the last one - 2003. You must not be particularly hard on software then - I and many others have see plenty of issues with Outlook. Standards have fallen, yes, but not as far as you think - there is still some good stuff out there. Windows 8 isn't one of them. Don't worry, Windows 9 won't be far behind. Windows 7 support will be extended long enough for me not to care either way. But you'll have to forgive me for laughing at Windows 8 - because that's what it is - a joke. It may be a joke, but the big problem isn't quality of code, it is the UI itself. -- Zaphod Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, ya know? - Gag Halfrunt |
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Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:29:42 -0400, "Chris S." cside38 @nospamverizon.net wrote in article ... "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 11/10/2012 3:39 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:30:33 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... On 11/10/2012 2:57 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. But not often *before* it is released. And I repeat: this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. Or do you think they should wait longer before releasing the updates for some reason? It is foolish to think that all of the bugs that the updates released shortly after Win 7 etc. were released to fix were discovered and fixed after the OS was released. So, as with previous OS releases, folks on the consumer preview and early adopters of the RTM reported bugs and MS fixed and tested some of them and released them - in this case, more quickly than before. What in the world is wrong with that? Nothing - but all the beta testing and changes should be done before the release is announced and initiated. Otherwise they are taking money for a product known to be faulty. Naturally other things will need patching from time to time as the hackers get smarter and get to grips with the newly released software, but on release day the product should be complete as far as Microsoft know. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK ALL software products are "known to be faulty" when they are released. Is this your first computer? +1 -1 When I spent a whole weekend on site testing a DOE stock-system on an old ICL mainframe I certainly didn't know it to be faulty. It did show up some hiccups, but we all mucked in and ironed them out. And when we gave the go ahead to move into parallel running with the old system, we didn't know that it was faulty. And after amendments discovered at that phase we certainly didn't know that it was faulty when we gave the green light for it to move "live". Ok, so it did show up one or two problems even after that. But we got the blame; and deservedly. For what? For insufficient testing!!! Ed |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:50:56 +0100, "Ed Cryer"
wrote in article ... Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:29:42 -0400, "Chris S." cside38 @nospamverizon.net wrote in article ... "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 11/10/2012 3:39 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:30:33 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... On 11/10/2012 2:57 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. But not often *before* it is released. And I repeat: this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. Or do you think they should wait longer before releasing the updates for some reason? It is foolish to think that all of the bugs that the updates released shortly after Win 7 etc. were released to fix were discovered and fixed after the OS was released. So, as with previous OS releases, folks on the consumer preview and early adopters of the RTM reported bugs and MS fixed and tested some of them and released them - in this case, more quickly than before. What in the world is wrong with that? Nothing - but all the beta testing and changes should be done before the release is announced and initiated. Otherwise they are taking money for a product known to be faulty. Naturally other things will need patching from time to time as the hackers get smarter and get to grips with the newly released software, but on release day the product should be complete as far as Microsoft know. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK ALL software products are "known to be faulty" when they are released. Is this your first computer? +1 -1 When I spent a whole weekend on site testing a DOE stock-system on an old ICL mainframe I certainly didn't know it to be faulty. It did show up some hiccups, but we all mucked in and ironed them out. And when we gave the go ahead to move into parallel running with the old system, we didn't know that it was faulty. And after amendments discovered at that phase we certainly didn't know that it was faulty when we gave the green light for it to move "live". Ok, so it did show up one or two problems even after that. But we got the blame; and deservedly. For what? For insufficient testing!!! I'll see your -1 and raise you -2. You may not know of any specific bugs in the software when you release it, but you *should* know that there are bugs in it somewhere. Almost certainly, any software more complicated than a "hello world" routine contains at least one bug. Programmer's axiom: Working code is not bug-free code. -- Zaphod "So [Trillian], two heads is what does it for a girl?" "...Anything else [Zaphod]'s got two of?" - Arthur Dent |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:30:33 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote: On 11/10/2012 2:57 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson" wrote in article ... Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix is ready. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/ This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering updates. As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the OS is released. But not often *before* it is released. It's not really before it's released. Windows 8 was released on August 15. True, it isn't yet for sale, but it was released, not only to manufacturers but also to those of us with MSDN or Technet subscriptions. I have it here, and lots of others around the world also do. -- Ken Blake |
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