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MS's support logic
On 2014-08-10, xfile wrote:
Hope we say "SCREW YOU, YOU GREEDY *******S ALWAYS WANTING MORE". No worries. I’m eager to see how business and consumer will react when MS forces them to make a “conscious” decision on the monthly fee for an OS, especially when the majority of consumer thought it’s free as part of the computer they purchased. This company has developed a habit of being kicked in the ass and then change. The same way they react here. They want to pay 5 bucks for upgrades. Win9 will be 5 bucks per month. XP would have cost these gamers 840 bucks so far That's a lot of Pepsi and cheetos. -- As a child, I fell on an Encyclopaedea, but still remember most of it. |
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On 8/9/14 7:10 PM, Darth_Hideous wrote:
On 2014-08-10, Ken Springer wrote: On 8/9/14 8:46 AM, Darth_Hideous wrote: On 2014-08-09, Mayayana wrote: snip 1) | Linux runs Firefox, TBird, Chrome, Spreadsheets, etc. | It's for everyone. Linux doesn't support most of the software people use, and to make matters worse, the Linux fanclub won't admit that. GIMP has been unusable for 20 I listed most of the software people use. No, you didn't. You listed 3 programs and a type of program. And of the 3 programs, TBird is an email client, and I believe email clients are being used by fewer and fewer users. But the most widely used programs, most likely, are those of MS Office, of which Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Outlook are not supported on Linux. Libre Office. That was the etc part after Spreadsheets. Which is still not the same program or set of programs. Same type, but not the same program. I gave up on LO. Too many issues, and definitely not 100% compatible, despite what they (LO) want to tell you. I use Gimp all the time. Works fine. I don't think it's a question of working or not working, but how well does it work, is it efficient and easy to use, and have the same feature set as Photoshop. It works well. It's efficient, easy to use, has more features than Photoshop. But, as I don't use PS, nor do I intend to, it's a moot point. If you don't use PS, how do you know it has the same features? I know the last time I tried Gimp, I couldn't find a way to change the units for the ruler. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 25.0 Thunderbird 24.6.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 2014-08-10, Ken Springer wrote:
On 8/9/14 7:10 PM, Darth_Hideous wrote: On 2014-08-10, Ken Springer wrote: On 8/9/14 8:46 AM, Darth_Hideous wrote: On 2014-08-09, Mayayana wrote: snip 1) | Linux runs Firefox, TBird, Chrome, Spreadsheets, etc. | It's for everyone. Linux doesn't support most of the software people use, and to make matters worse, the Linux fanclub won't admit that. GIMP has been unusable for 20 I listed most of the software people use. No, you didn't. You listed 3 programs and a type of program. And of the 3 programs, TBird is an email client, and I believe email clients are being used by fewer and fewer users. But the most widely used programs, most likely, are those of MS Office, of which Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Outlook are not supported on Linux. Libre Office. That was the etc part after Spreadsheets. Which is still not the same program or set of programs. Same type, but not the same program. I gave up on LO. Too many issues, and definitely not 100% compatible, despite what they (LO) want to tell you. Libre Office /is/ 100% compatible to me. I have Office 2007, but haven't used it in years. If you want to ride a horse, you got to get off the mule I'm talking PCs for "most" people. If, for business reasons you require Office, then it's needed. That isn't "most PCs" though. Unless Office is on 500,000,000 computers I use Gimp all the time. Works fine. I don't think it's a question of working or not working, but how well does it work, is it efficient and easy to use, and have the same feature set as Photoshop. It works well. It's efficient, easy to use, has more features than Photoshop. But, as I don't use PS, nor do I intend to, it's a moot point. If you don't use PS, how do you know it has the same features? I know the last time I tried Gimp, I couldn't find a way to change the units for the ruler. I'm not making stop action scenes for Transformers or anything. Picture touch ups. Used it to remove date stamps from a lot of digital pics. Deformations, effects. If you like it, good. I'm not anti paying for software. Originally, all I was saying is anyone /can/ use Linux. You don't have too. -- As a child, I fell on an Encyclopaedea, but still remember most of it. |
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On 2014-08-10, Ken Springer wrote:
If you don't use PS, how do you know it has the same features? I know the last time I tried Gimp, I couldn't find a way to change the units for the ruler. Along the bottom edge (below picture) is a selection box. Default seems to be px, but scrolling thru that will give all kinds of units. -- As a child, I fell on an Encyclopaedea, but still remember most of it. |
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On 8/9/14 8:03 PM, Darth_Hideous wrote:
On 2014-08-10, Ken Springer wrote: On 8/9/14 7:10 PM, Darth_Hideous wrote: On 2014-08-10, Ken Springer wrote: On 8/9/14 8:46 AM, Darth_Hideous wrote: On 2014-08-09, Mayayana wrote: snip 1) | Linux runs Firefox, TBird, Chrome, Spreadsheets, etc. | It's for everyone. Linux doesn't support most of the software people use, and to make matters worse, the Linux fanclub won't admit that. GIMP has been unusable for 20 I listed most of the software people use. No, you didn't. You listed 3 programs and a type of program. And of the 3 programs, TBird is an email client, and I believe email clients are being used by fewer and fewer users. But the most widely used programs, most likely, are those of MS Office, of which Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Outlook are not supported on Linux. Libre Office. That was the etc part after Spreadsheets. Which is still not the same program or set of programs. Same type, but not the same program. I gave up on LO. Too many issues, and definitely not 100% compatible, despite what they (LO) want to tell you. Libre Office /is/ 100% compatible to me. Which is what a lot of LO and open source people say. Being compatible for the features you use does NOT make the two programs compatible. To this point, I've yet to try a word processor which claims compatibility that is 100% compatible. A friend of mine sent me a .doc file from the latest Open Office, and it would not open correctly in Word 2007. And there were no truly advanced features in the document. I have Office 2007, but haven't used it in years. If you want to ride a horse, you got to get off the mule I did, still have not found a suitable substitute. On Windows, I'm trying out SoftMaker Office, but to date haven't used it. Been no need to. On this Mac, I tried Pages (Apple product) but simply didn't have features I used a lot in Word. Because I wanted Outlook for my email client, I've given up on Thunderbird also, I now have Word installed. Although there are a number of different word processors in the Apple Store that look awful interesting. :-) I'm talking PCs for "most" people. If, for business reasons you require Office, then it's needed. That isn't "most PCs" though. Unless Office is on 500,000,000 computers I use Gimp all the time. Works fine. I don't think it's a question of working or not working, but how well does it work, is it efficient and easy to use, and have the same feature set as Photoshop. It works well. It's efficient, easy to use, has more features than Photoshop. But, as I don't use PS, nor do I intend to, it's a moot point. If you don't use PS, how do you know it has the same features? I know the last time I tried Gimp, I couldn't find a way to change the units for the ruler. I'm not making stop action scenes for Transformers or anything. Picture touch ups. For simple touch ups, you surely don't need something as sophisticated as Gimp. For my stuff, Irfanview (Windows) is more than I need. Used it to remove date stamps from a lot of digital pics. Deformations, effects. That's more than what I need to do, and I don't think Irfanview is capable of that as it's not an editor. If you like it, good. I'm not anti paying for software. Originally, all I was saying is anyone /can/ use Linux. You don't have too. Agreed. I've tried some distros, and been intrigued by Linux, just never seems to be the time to really work with things like this anymore. :-( But another point is, that for many things different users want to do, Linux apparently doesn't have the software or support for data from other platforms. Sadly, I've moved from being an avid support of open source software to going back to commercial software. Just too many problems with it, although Firefox seems to be an exception. Although on a Windows computer, I think I'll replace it with Pale Moon based on comments I've read about it. On my Windows 8 computer and this Mac, Maxthon outruns Firefox hands down. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 25.0 Thunderbird 24.6.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 8/9/14 8:15 PM, Darth_Hideous wrote:
On 2014-08-10, Ken Springer wrote: If you don't use PS, how do you know it has the same features? I know the last time I tried Gimp, I couldn't find a way to change the units for the ruler. Along the bottom edge (below picture) is a selection box. Default seems to be px, but scrolling thru that will give all kinds of units. Kind of my bad here, I meant a permanent change in defaults. Possibly an error in the Mac build. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 25.0 Thunderbird 24.6.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 8/9/14 8:18 AM, Mayayana wrote:
They also get a kick out of switching between their 4 empty desktops. Hey!!! I resemble that remark! LOL I'd never used desktops before I bought this Mac, now I wouldn't have a computer without them. They just fit me better. Yet I've got a friend who pins everything, including the laundry, to her taskbar. That used to be OK, but I couldn't work that way anymore. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 25.0 Thunderbird 24.6.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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MS's support logic
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:12:57 +0800, xfile wrote:
Im eager to see how business and consumer will react when MS forces them to make a conscious decision on the monthly fee for an OS, especially when the majority of consumer thought its free as part of the computer they purchased. Welcome to the world of agile development and rapid releases. Monthly fees and rent rather than buy makes sense if you want the latest and greatest (and with bugs cleaned out). Waiting three years for new Windows versions will be a thing of the past. |
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mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:12:57 +0800, xfile wrote: Im eager to see how business and consumer will react when MS forces them to make a conscious decision on the monthly fee for an OS, especially when the majority of consumer thought its free as part of the computer they purchased. Welcome to the world of agile development and rapid releases. Monthly fees and rent rather than buy makes sense if you want the latest and greatest (and with bugs cleaned out). Waiting three years for new Windows versions will be a thing of the past. If they rent, Windows will be a thing of the past. Trust me, they won't be doing it for the benefit of the customer. It will prevent piracy and it will enable them to have all your data on their servers so they can sell it. They are counting on the ignorance of your average home user but will shooting themselves in the foot as far as techies and business users are concerned. -- A |
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| They also get a kick out of switching | between their 4 empty desktops. | | Hey!!! I resemble that remark! LOL | | I'd never used desktops before I bought this Mac, I didn't know Macs had multiple desktops. I read recently that MS is thought to be introducing them in the next version of Windows. Maybe that's because of the Mac version. |
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Darth_Hideous wrote:
On 2014-08-09, A wrote: Bert wrote: In A wrote: Bert wrote: You might also provide a list of products that are bug free. Hammer Saw Screwdriver Paper Ball point pen Guitar Oboe Drinking glass Wine glass etc. Need more? No one has ever hurt themselves with a hammer, saw or screwdriver? Never had a paper cut? Never made a spelling error or written something entirely nonsensical with a ball point pen? Don't get me started about the horrors inflicted with oboes. I could go on ... Those aren't bugs in the product. Those are results of the user not using them properly. My ball point pen ran out of ink. Bic will not offer future updates for that pen, they want me to throw it away and get a new one. They knew it would run out of ink, yet sold it to me anyway. I can't believe they left me out to hang like that. Maybe a 2 cent upgrade path should have been offered. I play crossword puzzles with that pen. I've been advised to try a Linux pen, but that is just a twig off a dead tree. It rips the crossword paper, and could potentially poke an eye. I've got ball point pen, too. There's doesn't seem to be any way to change the font, and the font provided is borderline illegible. Surely that's a bug? -- Mike Barnes Cheshire, England |
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On 8/9/2014 6:08 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 15:07:30 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote: Actually, my first thought on reading Bert's list was to recall that I just cut myself with a screwdriver a couple of days ago. Of course I meant A's list... Sorry, Bert. There was a recent news article about a cut finger and a $9,000 medical bill. Go figure. (No stitches, just a dressing, a finger splint, and an antibiotic cream, all done by a PA/Nurse. (after hours emergency room) Something about the local hospital (another state) refusing insurance contracts, and being a for profit community privately run hospital. |
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On 10/08/2014 17:25, Mike Barnes wrote:
Darth_Hideous wrote: On 2014-08-09, A wrote: Bert wrote: In A wrote: Bert wrote: You might also provide a list of products that are bug free. Hammer Saw Screwdriver Paper Ball point pen Guitar Oboe Drinking glass Wine glass etc. Need more? No one has ever hurt themselves with a hammer, saw or screwdriver? Never had a paper cut? Never made a spelling error or written something entirely nonsensical with a ball point pen? Don't get me started about the horrors inflicted with oboes. I could go on ... Those aren't bugs in the product. Those are results of the user not using them properly. My ball point pen ran out of ink. Bic will not offer future updates for that pen, they want me to throw it away and get a new one. They knew it would run out of ink, yet sold it to me anyway. I can't believe they left me out to hang like that. Maybe a 2 cent upgrade path should have been offered. I play crossword puzzles with that pen. I've been advised to try a Linux pen, but that is just a twig off a dead tree. It rips the crossword paper, and could potentially poke an eye. I've got ball point pen, too. There's doesn't seem to be any way to change the font, and the font provided is borderline illegible. Surely that's a bug? I think I must have the same type. -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
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"Mike Barnes" wrote in message
... Darth_Hideous wrote: [SNIP] My ball point pen ran out of ink. Bic will not offer future updates for that pen, they want me to throw it away and get a new one. They knew it would run out of ink, yet sold it to me anyway. I can't believe they left me out to hang like that. Maybe a 2 cent upgrade path should have been offered. I play crossword puzzles with that pen. I've been advised to try a Linux pen, but that is just a twig off a dead tree. It rips the crossword paper, and could potentially poke an eye. I've got ball point pen, too. There's doesn't seem to be any way to change the font, and the font provided is borderline illegible. Surely that's a bug? I filed a bug report. Mine came with Chicken Scratch font. Package said Script. -- OE6 testing |
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