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  #61  
Old June 1st 09, 02:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
M Skabialka
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Posts: 156
Default Hard-drive corruption question

Other parts of this posting show that I have tried this.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
M Skabialka

Have you tried inserting the problem drive in a computer as a second or
slave drive.


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.

M Skabialka wrote:
I tried this software with suspect drive in the machine and no other
drives. It recognized that there is a drive in there, tells me the
size, says it is a Windows NTFS disk, but uses a question mark for
the drive letter, so that when I tell it to checkdisk that drive it
won't accept ? as a valid selection, or any other letter of the
alphabet. So close - yet so far....

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I read the manual online, and will try this and post back my results.
Thanks for the info on this software
Mich

"propman" wrote in message
...
propman wrote:
M Skabialka wrote:
I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any
utilities for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader
wasn't any help - I tried that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.

Might want to try this:

NTFS4DOS 1.9 (read/write NTFS from DOS)
http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

I've downloaded it and will be trying out later....please let us
know of your experiences with it. :-)



Update:

Tried NTFS4DOS on 80 Gig Vista Home Basic......the program
recognizes the hard drive, plus the main partition and the "hidden"
recovery partition (both NTFS). Unfortunately, when trying a "dir"
on the main partition, a "stack overflow" is generated requiring a
hard reboot. This problem "maybe" could be fixed by editing the
config.sys and/or
autoexec.bat but I don't have the inclination to do so right now.




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  #62  
Old June 1st 09, 02:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Paul
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Posts: 18,275
Default Hard-drive corruption question

M Skabialka wrote:
I tried this software with suspect drive in the machine and no other drives.
It recognized that there is a drive in there, tells me the size, says it is
a Windows NTFS disk, but uses a question mark for the drive letter, so that
when I tell it to checkdisk that drive it won't accept ? as a valid
selection, or any other letter of the alphabet.
So close - yet so far....


I found a reference to "chkntfs" here.

http://www.paragon-software.com/busi...nal/index.html

This is the interesting part.

http://www.paragon-software.com/expo...ge/chkntfs.gif

"chkntfs /dev/hdb2 -f"

That implies they're accessing the raw hard drive, without mounting it.
In Unix-land, the "hdb2" means the second partition of disk hdb. If they
said "/dev/hdb", that would reference the whole disk.

The big questions would be

1) Is this software trustworthy ? Is the driver solid enough to trust
with a delicate job like this ?

2) Does this Linux port of chkntfs, understand half of the options
available within NTFS ? For example, if it ran into "streams",
would it handle them properly ?

3) Then there is the possibility of losing the disk, by fooling
around with it. This copy of chkntfs, is going to attempt
to repair the data "in place". I would make a sector by sector
copy of the disk, to another disk first, before trying this.
The Linux "dd" command can do that. And "dd_rescue" can be used,
if the disk has sectors which give CRC errors.

Paragon has a "trial" for the professional version of the above product,
so you could try it out, and see if you can actually recover
the disk with it. But use precautions, so you don't lose the only
copy of the data.

The other bit of fun, is the installation. It looks like GNU
"configure" is running here.

http://www.paragon-software.com/expo...ess_Driver.PNG

I'd have tried this by now, but the thing is, I don't have a
broken NTFS disk to experiment with. So I don't know if me
testing it, would have meaning or not. I mean, if I give it
a disk with is fault free, the software might be horrible
and I wouldn't know it.

*******

I suppose another way to look at this, is whether the Windows
version of chkdsk, would accept a "raw" device specification,
instead of a drive letter (mounted volume).

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555302

chkdsk /r

How does it know what the "current disk" is ?

Paul
  #63  
Old June 1st 09, 02:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Paul
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Posts: 18,275
Default Hard-drive corruption question

M Skabialka wrote:
I tried this software with suspect drive in the machine and no other drives.
It recognized that there is a drive in there, tells me the size, says it is
a Windows NTFS disk, but uses a question mark for the drive letter, so that
when I tell it to checkdisk that drive it won't accept ? as a valid
selection, or any other letter of the alphabet.
So close - yet so far....


I found a reference to "chkntfs" here.

http://www.paragon-software.com/busi...nal/index.html

This is the interesting part.

http://www.paragon-software.com/expo...ge/chkntfs.gif

"chkntfs /dev/hdb2 -f"

That implies they're accessing the raw hard drive, without mounting it.
In Unix-land, the "hdb2" means the second partition of disk hdb. If they
said "/dev/hdb", that would reference the whole disk.

The big questions would be

1) Is this software trustworthy ? Is the driver solid enough to trust
with a delicate job like this ?

2) Does this Linux port of chkntfs, understand half of the options
available within NTFS ? For example, if it ran into "streams",
would it handle them properly ?

3) Then there is the possibility of losing the disk, by fooling
around with it. This copy of chkntfs, is going to attempt
to repair the data "in place". I would make a sector by sector
copy of the disk, to another disk first, before trying this.
The Linux "dd" command can do that. And "dd_rescue" can be used,
if the disk has sectors which give CRC errors.

Paragon has a "trial" for the professional version of the above product,
so you could try it out, and see if you can actually recover
the disk with it. But use precautions, so you don't lose the only
copy of the data.

The other bit of fun, is the installation. It looks like GNU
"configure" is running here.

http://www.paragon-software.com/expo...ess_Driver.PNG

I'd have tried this by now, but the thing is, I don't have a
broken NTFS disk to experiment with. So I don't know if me
testing it, would have meaning or not. I mean, if I give it
a disk with is fault free, the software might be horrible
and I wouldn't know it.

*******

I suppose another way to look at this, is whether the Windows
version of chkdsk, would accept a "raw" device specification,
instead of a drive letter (mounted volume).

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555302

chkdsk /r

How does it know what the "current disk" is ?

Paul
  #64  
Old June 1st 09, 04:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
propman[_2_]
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Posts: 19
Default Hard-drive corruption question

As I mentioned in a previous message, this program dumped out on me
several time with a stack overflow message so I didn't waste any more
time on it. Personally I think your best bet would be either to try
accessing the disk via one of the linux distro's or UBCD4Win. Don't
know if you saw my other message concerning the latter so here is the
info again:

http://ubcd4win.com/

quote on

UBCD4Win is based on Bart's PE©. Bart's PE© builds a Windows®
"pre-install" environment CD, basically a simple Windows® XP booted from
CD. UBCD4Win includes network support and allows you the ability to
modify NTFS volumes, recover deleted files, create new NTFS volumes,
scan hard drives for viruses, etc. Our download includes almost
everything you need to repair your system problems. This project has
been put together to be the ultimate recovery cd and not a replacement
OS (Operating System). Please visit the "List of Tools" page for a
complete list of what is included in the latest version of UBCD4Win.

quote off



M Skabialka wrote:
I tried this software with suspect drive in the machine and no other drives.
It recognized that there is a drive in there, tells me the size, says it is
a Windows NTFS disk, but uses a question mark for the drive letter, so that
when I tell it to checkdisk that drive it won't accept ? as a valid
selection, or any other letter of the alphabet.
So close - yet so far....

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I read the manual online, and will try this and post back my results.
Thanks for the info on this software
Mich

"propman" wrote in message
...
propman wrote:
M Skabialka wrote:
I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any
utilities for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader wasn't any
help - I tried that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.
Might want to try this:

NTFS4DOS 1.9 (read/write NTFS from DOS)
http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

I've downloaded it and will be trying out later....please let us know of
your experiences with it. :-)


Update:

Tried NTFS4DOS on 80 Gig Vista Home Basic......the program recognizes the
hard drive, plus the main partition and the "hidden" recovery partition
(both NTFS). Unfortunately, when trying a "dir" on the main partition, a
"stack overflow" is generated requiring a hard reboot.

This problem "maybe" could be fixed by editing the config.sys and/or
autoexec.bat but I don't have the inclination to do so right now.




  #65  
Old June 1st 09, 04:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
propman[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 19
Default Hard-drive corruption question

As I mentioned in a previous message, this program dumped out on me
several time with a stack overflow message so I didn't waste any more
time on it. Personally I think your best bet would be either to try
accessing the disk via one of the linux distro's or UBCD4Win. Don't
know if you saw my other message concerning the latter so here is the
info again:

http://ubcd4win.com/

quote on

UBCD4Win is based on Bart's PE©. Bart's PE© builds a Windows®
"pre-install" environment CD, basically a simple Windows® XP booted from
CD. UBCD4Win includes network support and allows you the ability to
modify NTFS volumes, recover deleted files, create new NTFS volumes,
scan hard drives for viruses, etc. Our download includes almost
everything you need to repair your system problems. This project has
been put together to be the ultimate recovery cd and not a replacement
OS (Operating System). Please visit the "List of Tools" page for a
complete list of what is included in the latest version of UBCD4Win.

quote off



M Skabialka wrote:
I tried this software with suspect drive in the machine and no other drives.
It recognized that there is a drive in there, tells me the size, says it is
a Windows NTFS disk, but uses a question mark for the drive letter, so that
when I tell it to checkdisk that drive it won't accept ? as a valid
selection, or any other letter of the alphabet.
So close - yet so far....

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I read the manual online, and will try this and post back my results.
Thanks for the info on this software
Mich

"propman" wrote in message
...
propman wrote:
M Skabialka wrote:
I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any
utilities for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader wasn't any
help - I tried that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.
Might want to try this:

NTFS4DOS 1.9 (read/write NTFS from DOS)
http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

I've downloaded it and will be trying out later....please let us know of
your experiences with it. :-)


Update:

Tried NTFS4DOS on 80 Gig Vista Home Basic......the program recognizes the
hard drive, plus the main partition and the "hidden" recovery partition
(both NTFS). Unfortunately, when trying a "dir" on the main partition, a
"stack overflow" is generated requiring a hard reboot.

This problem "maybe" could be fixed by editing the config.sys and/or
autoexec.bat but I don't have the inclination to do so right now.




  #66  
Old June 1st 09, 06:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Gerry
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Posts: 9,437
Default Hard-drive corruption question


M Skabialka

Sorry but this needs to be said.

With your switching of the drive from one computer to another and with
so many of your posts containing confusing statements it is difficult to
be clear about what you have tried. It is also unclear what you want
eventually to do with this drive! Are you interested in just recovering
data files from the disk or do you seriously expect to be able to use
the disk again?


--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

M Skabialka wrote:
Other parts of this posting show that I have tried this.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
M Skabialka

Have you tried inserting the problem drive in a computer as a second
or slave drive.


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.

M Skabialka wrote:
I tried this software with suspect drive in the machine and no other
drives. It recognized that there is a drive in there, tells me the
size, says it is a Windows NTFS disk, but uses a question mark for
the drive letter, so that when I tell it to checkdisk that drive it
won't accept ? as a valid selection, or any other letter of the
alphabet. So close - yet so far....

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I read the manual online, and will try this and post back my
results. Thanks for the info on this software
Mich

"propman" wrote in message
...
propman wrote:
M Skabialka wrote:
I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any
utilities for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader
wasn't any help - I tried that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.

Might want to try this:

NTFS4DOS 1.9 (read/write NTFS from DOS)
http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

I've downloaded it and will be trying out later....please let us
know of your experiences with it. :-)



Update:

Tried NTFS4DOS on 80 Gig Vista Home Basic......the program
recognizes the hard drive, plus the main partition and the
"hidden" recovery partition (both NTFS). Unfortunately, when
trying a "dir" on the main partition, a "stack overflow" is
generated requiring a hard reboot. This problem "maybe" could be
fixed by editing the config.sys and/or
autoexec.bat but I don't have the inclination to do so right now.


  #67  
Old June 1st 09, 06:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Gerry
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Posts: 9,437
Default Hard-drive corruption question


M Skabialka

Sorry but this needs to be said.

With your switching of the drive from one computer to another and with
so many of your posts containing confusing statements it is difficult to
be clear about what you have tried. It is also unclear what you want
eventually to do with this drive! Are you interested in just recovering
data files from the disk or do you seriously expect to be able to use
the disk again?


--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

M Skabialka wrote:
Other parts of this posting show that I have tried this.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
M Skabialka

Have you tried inserting the problem drive in a computer as a second
or slave drive.


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.

M Skabialka wrote:
I tried this software with suspect drive in the machine and no other
drives. It recognized that there is a drive in there, tells me the
size, says it is a Windows NTFS disk, but uses a question mark for
the drive letter, so that when I tell it to checkdisk that drive it
won't accept ? as a valid selection, or any other letter of the
alphabet. So close - yet so far....

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I read the manual online, and will try this and post back my
results. Thanks for the info on this software
Mich

"propman" wrote in message
...
propman wrote:
M Skabialka wrote:
I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any
utilities for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader
wasn't any help - I tried that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.

Might want to try this:

NTFS4DOS 1.9 (read/write NTFS from DOS)
http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

I've downloaded it and will be trying out later....please let us
know of your experiences with it. :-)



Update:

Tried NTFS4DOS on 80 Gig Vista Home Basic......the program
recognizes the hard drive, plus the main partition and the
"hidden" recovery partition (both NTFS). Unfortunately, when
trying a "dir" on the main partition, a "stack overflow" is
generated requiring a hard reboot. This problem "maybe" could be
fixed by editing the config.sys and/or
autoexec.bat but I don't have the inclination to do so right now.


  #68  
Old June 1st 09, 06:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
M Skabialka
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Posts: 156
Default Hard-drive corruption question

I actually found and downloaded BartsPE over the weekend and using a Vista
machine (and the WinXP CD) tried to create a boot CD, but it stopped when it
reached 4 errors. I will try again on an XP machine.

I did some testing with Avira NTFS4DOS and if I didn't use DIR on the entire
folder it worked OK. Just for testing I renamed ntfs.sys on a Win2K disk
and rebooted - it asked for the Win2K disk to repair the missing file. I
then went back and renamed it back.
But on the bad drive I couldn't even get to the file because it couldn't ID
the disk drive letter and called it ?: instead of C: so I couldn't change to
that drive.

Hopefully Barts PE will allow me to recover the user files on the drive,
then I'll reformat it. The Western Digital diagnostics says nothing is
wrong with it, but I do have an RMA to return it for replacement which I'll
probably do.

Mich

"propman" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned in a previous message, this program dumped out on me
several time with a stack overflow message so I didn't waste any more time
on it. Personally I think your best bet would be either to try accessing
the disk via one of the linux distro's or UBCD4Win. Don't know if you saw
my other message concerning the latter so here is the info again:

http://ubcd4win.com/

quote on

UBCD4Win is based on Bart's PE©. Bart's PE© builds a Windows®
"pre-install" environment CD, basically a simple Windows® XP booted from
CD. UBCD4Win includes network support and allows you the ability to modify
NTFS volumes, recover deleted files, create new NTFS volumes, scan hard
drives for viruses, etc. Our download includes almost everything you need
to repair your system problems. This project has been put together to be
the ultimate recovery cd and not a replacement OS (Operating System).
Please visit the "List of Tools" page for a complete list of what is
included in the latest version of UBCD4Win.

quote off



  #69  
Old June 1st 09, 06:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
M Skabialka
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 156
Default Hard-drive corruption question

I actually found and downloaded BartsPE over the weekend and using a Vista
machine (and the WinXP CD) tried to create a boot CD, but it stopped when it
reached 4 errors. I will try again on an XP machine.

I did some testing with Avira NTFS4DOS and if I didn't use DIR on the entire
folder it worked OK. Just for testing I renamed ntfs.sys on a Win2K disk
and rebooted - it asked for the Win2K disk to repair the missing file. I
then went back and renamed it back.
But on the bad drive I couldn't even get to the file because it couldn't ID
the disk drive letter and called it ?: instead of C: so I couldn't change to
that drive.

Hopefully Barts PE will allow me to recover the user files on the drive,
then I'll reformat it. The Western Digital diagnostics says nothing is
wrong with it, but I do have an RMA to return it for replacement which I'll
probably do.

Mich

"propman" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned in a previous message, this program dumped out on me
several time with a stack overflow message so I didn't waste any more time
on it. Personally I think your best bet would be either to try accessing
the disk via one of the linux distro's or UBCD4Win. Don't know if you saw
my other message concerning the latter so here is the info again:

http://ubcd4win.com/

quote on

UBCD4Win is based on Bart's PE©. Bart's PE© builds a Windows®
"pre-install" environment CD, basically a simple Windows® XP booted from
CD. UBCD4Win includes network support and allows you the ability to modify
NTFS volumes, recover deleted files, create new NTFS volumes, scan hard
drives for viruses, etc. Our download includes almost everything you need
to repair your system problems. This project has been put together to be
the ultimate recovery cd and not a replacement OS (Operating System).
Please visit the "List of Tools" page for a complete list of what is
included in the latest version of UBCD4Win.

quote off



  #70  
Old June 1st 09, 07:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Dominic Payer
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Posts: 5
Default Hard-drive corruption question

Get the CD download - not the DVD, you don't need the extras - from
http://www.knoppix.org/ and burn the image to CD. In case you don't
know, do not just treat the ISO file as data, it must be burned as an image.

Then boot from the CD. It may seem a little strange but it boots to a
windowed environment, so you shouldn't have any real trouble. Once you
have found the equivalent of Windows Explorer you will find it works in
much the same way and you can copy, paste and backup to and from any
CD/DVD, hard disk or USB drive.

The system runs from the CD, so there are several things it can load if
needed (many more on the DVD version) but you should need just the basic
system it boots to.


On 28/05/2009 16:52, M Skabialka wrote:
I've googled this and seen a lot of articles about knoppix with a bunch of
alien commands (I'm a DOS - Vista user only)
Where do you get it from, and does it comes with any help on how to use it?
I'm guessing I will create a boot CD and have knoppix running in RAM like
the old MS-DOS boot disk???
Then what?


wrote in message
...
On May 27, 9:31 am, "M wrote:

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs?
The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I can't
copy
from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich


google "enable ntfs write" ....
will give you knoppix.
u need to try it yourself.


  #71  
Old June 1st 09, 07:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Dominic Payer
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Posts: 5
Default Hard-drive corruption question

Get the CD download - not the DVD, you don't need the extras - from
http://www.knoppix.org/ and burn the image to CD. In case you don't
know, do not just treat the ISO file as data, it must be burned as an image.

Then boot from the CD. It may seem a little strange but it boots to a
windowed environment, so you shouldn't have any real trouble. Once you
have found the equivalent of Windows Explorer you will find it works in
much the same way and you can copy, paste and backup to and from any
CD/DVD, hard disk or USB drive.

The system runs from the CD, so there are several things it can load if
needed (many more on the DVD version) but you should need just the basic
system it boots to.


On 28/05/2009 16:52, M Skabialka wrote:
I've googled this and seen a lot of articles about knoppix with a bunch of
alien commands (I'm a DOS - Vista user only)
Where do you get it from, and does it comes with any help on how to use it?
I'm guessing I will create a boot CD and have knoppix running in RAM like
the old MS-DOS boot disk???
Then what?


wrote in message
...
On May 27, 9:31 am, "M wrote:

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs?
The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I can't
copy
from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich


google "enable ntfs write" ....
will give you knoppix.
u need to try it yourself.


  #72  
Old June 2nd 09, 02:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
M Skabialka
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Posts: 156
Default Hard-drive corruption question - repaired

I have recovered the data

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
I gave up. The OP got me so confused!
--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Curious wrote:
Propman,
I have now read some of your other posts and realize that you like me
are trying to understand exactly what steps the OP has taken to
resolve the problem and to offer suggestions on how to.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
I did reread all of the Op's previous posts, as you implied I had
not, before I made my last post and I was confused by some of the
content which is why I asked the OP to clarify what I thought was a
detailed description of the events that have occurred.
I suggest that if you have any meaningful suggestions to help the OP
that you suggest them instead of criticizing those of us who are
trying to help but are not sure of the details.

"propman" wrote in message
...
He's already posted all this information in previous messages...if
you really want to help the OP, suggest you read all back messages
to catch-up on topic. :-)


Curious wrote:
Do I understand correctly that you have a computer with only one
hard drive installed and it was working fine unstill you "added
some other hardware" to the system and that you have not been able
to even to do a F8 safe mode boot since even after you removed the
"other hardware"? However, you do get to the F8 screen and then
even safe mode fail. What was the "other hardware" you installed
and now have removed? "M Skabialka" wrote
in message
...
I cannot get any computer to which this drive is attached to boot
at all! They always crash. Therefore I cannot run chkdsk! This
is the reason for my initial post!

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/
the select tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the
store and got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card,
and the onboard video. The drive still crashes this or any
other machine. I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any
method I can think of. "Curious" wrote in
message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to
can you get back to booting your system with just it's
original drive? If yes you might try running checkdisk on the
working system "M Skabialka" wrote in
message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with
this drive as the slave, and booting a machine and then
connecting this through USB. In all cases the computer
crashes. F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.



  #73  
Old June 2nd 09, 02:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
M Skabialka
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Posts: 156
Default Hard-drive corruption question - repaired

I have recovered the data

"Gerry" wrote in message
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I gave up. The OP got me so confused!
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Curious wrote:
Propman,
I have now read some of your other posts and realize that you like me
are trying to understand exactly what steps the OP has taken to
resolve the problem and to offer suggestions on how to.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
I did reread all of the Op's previous posts, as you implied I had
not, before I made my last post and I was confused by some of the
content which is why I asked the OP to clarify what I thought was a
detailed description of the events that have occurred.
I suggest that if you have any meaningful suggestions to help the OP
that you suggest them instead of criticizing those of us who are
trying to help but are not sure of the details.

"propman" wrote in message
...
He's already posted all this information in previous messages...if
you really want to help the OP, suggest you read all back messages
to catch-up on topic. :-)


Curious wrote:
Do I understand correctly that you have a computer with only one
hard drive installed and it was working fine unstill you "added
some other hardware" to the system and that you have not been able
to even to do a F8 safe mode boot since even after you removed the
"other hardware"? However, you do get to the F8 screen and then
even safe mode fail. What was the "other hardware" you installed
and now have removed? "M Skabialka" wrote
in message
...
I cannot get any computer to which this drive is attached to boot
at all! They always crash. Therefore I cannot run chkdsk! This
is the reason for my initial post!

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/
the select tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the
store and got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card,
and the onboard video. The drive still crashes this or any
other machine. I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any
method I can think of. "Curious" wrote in
message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to
can you get back to booting your system with just it's
original drive? If yes you might try running checkdisk on the
working system "M Skabialka" wrote in
message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with
this drive as the slave, and booting a machine and then
connecting this through USB. In all cases the computer
crashes. F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.



  #74  
Old June 2nd 09, 02:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
M Skabialka
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 156
Default Hard-drive corruption question - repaired

I have recovered the data

"propman" wrote in message
...
M Skabialka wrote:
"propman" wrote in message

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the
list of "bootable" devices.


I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.


Sent the other reply and then realize I didn't expand on this topic
sufficiently....sorry about that. :-)

What I am referring to is a system that has more than one hard drive
installed AND more than one hard drive is bootable; therefore, upon
booting up the system, a choice of which hard drive to boot (via the BIOS)
is available (basically a form of a boot manager). Some systems BIOS's
allow the addition/subtraction of boot-devices (in this case hard
drives)into lists of "use this device as a boot device" or "don't use this
device as a boot device" which is a bit more flexible than just the more
common sequential "floppy, then CD-ROM, then Hard Drive" sequence. :-)







  #75  
Old June 2nd 09, 02:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
M Skabialka
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 156
Default Hard-drive corruption question - repaired

I have recovered the data

"propman" wrote in message
...
M Skabialka wrote:
"propman" wrote in message

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the
list of "bootable" devices.


I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.


Sent the other reply and then realize I didn't expand on this topic
sufficiently....sorry about that. :-)

What I am referring to is a system that has more than one hard drive
installed AND more than one hard drive is bootable; therefore, upon
booting up the system, a choice of which hard drive to boot (via the BIOS)
is available (basically a form of a boot manager). Some systems BIOS's
allow the addition/subtraction of boot-devices (in this case hard
drives)into lists of "use this device as a boot device" or "don't use this
device as a boot device" which is a bit more flexible than just the more
common sequential "floppy, then CD-ROM, then Hard Drive" sequence. :-)







 




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