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How Move OS XP from Old to New HD?
Change your boot sequence to the new hard drive (in bios setup), boot in safe mode (F8), with the xp cd loaded, select setup!
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Nehmo,
I looked at the message string today and hope that your system is back up. I hope that you haven't bought all of the utilities yet (some are fairly complex to use and messy). I've used the MaxBlast software for several drives (including used drives and n on-Maxtor drives). It works well. If you aren't back up with the new drive, replace the drives to the Maxtor setup configuration, then boot from the MaxBlast software. At that point follow the instructions from the Maxtor support site below to clean the drive (low-level format): "However, you can use utilities such as PowerMax (version 3.3 or newer) or MaxBlast 3 to purge the drive of all data, a corrupted master boot record, a boot block virus, or to clear the drive of any recoverable bad sectors or bad clusters. To perform a non-factory low-level format using PowerMax please select the Write Disk Pack option. To perform a non-factory low-level format using MaxBlast 3 please select the Zero-Fill Drive option located under "Utilities". Note: High capacity drives take longer to complete. Allow sufficient time to complete the test. Several hours to overnight may be needed. A full Low Level Format remains the most effective test for a drive with intermittent problems." When it's complete, reboot and copy the drive with the Maxtor software following the Maxtor instructions which "I'm Dan" summarized very well. |
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In article , Rod Speed
writes Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message ... - Nehmo - I couldn't get into System Restore. When I tried, a warning popped up saying the app had encountered a problem and needs to close - this was before it even opened. Additionally, the shortcut icons for Word documents were changed to one of the non-descript icons. I think it was the same as the one Explorer uses for dat files. Clicking on these icons did cause Word to start, but first it gave a warning that I should run setup (I guess it means Office setup) and Repair. Then Word would start, apparently normally. OK, havent gotten around to trying xxclone myself yet, or that other effect that Larry mentioned, that the order of the drive numbers as seen in XP can make a difference to whether a clone without removing the original for the first boot after clone has been done makes a difference. Rod, a question for you: Lets say a user had used Automated Aystem Recovery to backup all files to a separate disk then replaced his old HD with a new one only to discover that he was unable to start windows until he had done a repair install because of WPA problems. He does the repair install to find that now he's in a situation where his computer starts, but certain progs/apps don't run properly and all his startup progs are no longer there, but he is able to get access to the disk that has the ASR backup on. Do you think that using the ASR from within windows would restore his new hard drive to the same state as his previous old one was? Or is it possible that the WPA error would rear its ugly head during the next restart? -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS only before sending me an email |
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Nehmo,
FWIW, I just recently made the same swap with a 40GB Maxtor HDD and XP Pro SP1 on a Dell 4100. Process went simple for me even though I just used the MaxBlast software. My 4100 supports using cable select jumper settings on drives. I made sure that the new HDD was at the end of the 80 pin IDE cable supplied by Maxtor (making it the cable select Master). Old HDD was attached to the middle connector. Turned on the Dell and it offered to boot from the MaxBlast CD-ROM since no OS was found on the primary IDE ma ster hard drive (the new Maxtor). I told MaxBlast to perform a format to NTFS and set up a single partition C: drive. Once that completed, I used the file copy utility in MaxBlast to transfer all files from old HDD. Transferring 17GB took 2 hours (maybe Gh ost or other software does it faster?). But, after that I removed MaxBlast CD-ROM and booted with both drives connected. XP found the "new hardware" of the HDD upon boot-up and also gave me a Send Error message after trying to "digest" that a new HDD was in place (in hindsight I should have just booted with the new HDD first and then re-attached the old one. After sending in the Microsoft error report on the event though, everything has working just fine. No missing files, no BSODs, etc. XP Pro is just as smooth and steady as with the old HDD. Hope your project comes to a successful close. Sounds like you are/were having some real challenges. |
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Peter Ives wrote in message o.uk... Rod Speed wrote Nehmo Sergheyev wrote I couldn't get into System Restore. When I tried, a warning popped up saying the app had encountered a problem and needs to close - this was before it even opened. Additionally, the shortcut icons for Word documents were changed to one of the non-descript icons. I think it was the same as the one Explorer uses for dat files. Clicking on these icons did cause Word to start, but first it gave a warning that I should run setup (I guess it means Office setup) and Repair. Then Word would start, apparently normally. OK, havent gotten around to trying xxclone myself yet, or that other effect that Larry mentioned, that the order of the drive numbers as seen in XP can make a difference to whether a clone without removing the original for the first boot after clone has been done makes a difference. Rod, a question for you: Lets say a user had used Automated Aystem Recovery to backup all files to a separate disk then replaced his old HD with a new one only to discover that he was unable to start windows until he had done a repair install because of WPA problems. He does the repair install to find that now he's in a situation where his computer starts, but certain progs/apps don't run properly and all his startup progs are no longer there, That shouldnt have happened and I'd concentrate on looking at why that happened. but he is able to get access to the disk that has the ASR backup on. Do you think that using the ASR from within windows would restore his new hard drive to the same state as his previous old one was? I'd be very surprised if it could do that, tho I havent actually tried it. Or is it possible that the WPA error would rear its ugly head during the next restart? I doubt it. But again, I havent actually tried it. I dont use versions that need activation myself. |
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In article , Rod Speed
writes Peter Ives wrote in message . co.uk... Rod Speed wrote Nehmo Sergheyev wrote snip Rod, a question for you: Lets say a user had used Automated Aystem Recovery to backup all files to a separate disk then replaced his old HD with a new one only to discover that he was unable to start windows until he had done a repair install because of WPA problems. He does the repair install to find that now he's in a situation where his computer starts, but certain progs/apps don't run properly and all his startup progs are no longer there, That shouldnt have happened and I'd concentrate on looking at why that happened. Probably didn't quite explain that right. All startup references are no longer there. The programs are still there, but they are no longer run at startup. The other one was that Office wanted to reference the cd before it would work. As for other progs, didn't have enough time to check. So I don't see that as a major disaster, just one caused by the repair install of Windows XP. but he is able to get access to the disk that has the ASR backup on. Do you think that using the ASR from within windows would restore his new hard drive to the same state as his previous old one was? I'd be very surprised if it could do that, tho I havent actually tried it. Or is it possible that the WPA error would rear its ugly head during the next restart? I doubt it. But again, I havent actually tried it. I dont use versions that need activation myself. Not my computer. A downstairs neighbour's that I am having a pig of a time upgrading his HD on, though getting closer. He lends it to me for a couple of hours, but that's as much as he can spare before he wants it back. 8-) The WPA error is caused in just the same way as for Nehmo. I've checked on M$ knowledge base and they say it can happen when upgrading a HD. I'm trying to figure out how to get around it and have the system work 'exactly' as it did before, in the fewest steps. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS only before sending me an email |
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Peter Ives wrote in message o.uk... Rod Speed wrote Peter Ives wrote Rod Speed wrote Nehmo Sergheyev wrote Rod, a question for you: Lets say a user had used Automated Aystem Recovery to backup all files to a separate disk then replaced his old HD with a new one only to discover that he was unable to start windows until he had done a repair install because of WPA problems. He does the repair install to find that now he's in a situation where his computer starts, but certain progs/apps don't run properly and all his startup progs are no longer there, That shouldnt have happened and I'd concentrate on looking at why that happened. Probably didn't quite explain that right. All startup references are no longer there. The programs are still there, but they are no longer run at startup. Thats only half of what you originally said. The other one was that Office wanted to reference the cd before it would work. Thats even odder. A repair of XP shouldnt have affected Office. As for other progs, didn't have enough time to check. OK, it would be worth checking tho. So I don't see that as a major disaster, just one caused by the repair install of Windows XP. Where did you initiate that ? but he is able to get access to the disk that has the ASR backup on. Do you think that using the ASR from within windows would restore his new hard drive to the same state as his previous old one was? I'd be very surprised if it could do that, tho I havent actually tried it. Or is it possible that the WPA error would rear its ugly head during the next restart? I doubt it. But again, I havent actually tried it. I dont use versions that need activation myself. Not my computer. A downstairs neighbour's that I am having a pig of a time upgrading his HD on, though getting closer. Yeah, certainly looks like it. He lends it to me for a couple of hours, but that's as much as he can spare before he wants it back. 8-) I'd give him a good kicking and force him to get his act into gear if it was me |-) The WPA error is caused in just the same way as for Nehmo. I've checked on M$ knowledge base and they say it can happen when upgrading a HD. Yeah, it certainly can. I'm trying to figure out how to get around it and have the system work 'exactly' as it did before, in the fewest steps. Cant you just reactivate it ? |
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In article , Rod Speed
writes snip He does the repair install to find that now he's in a situation where his computer starts, but certain progs/apps don't run properly and all his startup progs are no longer there, That shouldnt have happened and I'd concentrate on looking at why that happened. Probably didn't quite explain that right. All startup references are no longer there. The programs are still there, but they are no longer run at startup. Thats only half of what you originally said. Like I said, I probably didn't explain it well enough. However, one other thing is that 'all' M$ updates are going to have to be re- downloaded. The other one was that Office wanted to reference the cd before it would work. Thats even odder. A repair of XP shouldnt have affected Office. As for other progs, didn't have enough time to check. OK, it would be worth checking tho. If I can get it back off him for long enough 8-) So I don't see that as a major disaster, just one caused by the repair install of Windows XP. Where did you initiate that ? I had to do it by placing CD in drive at boot up. This was how the M$ knowledge base explained it when, after upgrading the HD, you get the following WPA error: Windows Product Activation A problem is preventing windows from accurately checking the license for this computer Error Code: 0x80090006 Type that error code into the M$ knowledge base and see what they say. snip He lends it to me for a couple of hours, but that's as much as he can spare before he wants it back. 8-) I'd give him a good kicking and force him to get his act into gear if it was me |-) Hehe, yeah he's a real pain in the butt. Is forever chatting 'up' on line various 'ladies' and, believe me, they don't leave him alone for a minute, eventually wanting to 'meet' up with him and start something more serious. The WPA error is caused in just the same way as for Nehmo. I've checked on M$ knowledge base and they say it can happen when upgrading a HD. Yeah, it certainly can. I'm trying to figure out how to get around it and have the system work 'exactly' as it did before, in the fewest steps. Cant you just reactivate it ? Well, it wouldn't login to windows at all because of WPA and so I 'had' to do a repair install. How else was I supposed to get windows started. BTW this is XP Pro, which I thought doesn't require any kind of product activation as such. Ie. having to either phone up or login online to register. Is it because his is an OEM version installed specifically for that machine? I actually used my XP Pro Cd, but put in his XP serial number when xp asked for it. It didn't seem to mind. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS only before sending me an email |
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- Nehmo -
I temporarily put aside the drive replacement/addition job until I can get the system running normally. I have to limit changes, so I can figure out what's to blame. - Rod Speed - Yeah, thats the best approach, resolve the instability problem before trying to clone the drive. - Nehmo - Somehow the system isn't turning off anymore. I don't know what I did, if I did anything. I posted in another NG http://www.ericseven.com?id=1332 , and Rick \"Nutcase\" Rogers suggested the BIOS battery may be low. Could be. The cold might have had something to do with it too. Anyway, power management seems to be working normally now, and I'm ready to try installing the HD again. - Nehmo - I'll run my usual check-out stuff, and I'll try memtest86. http://www.memtest86.com/ ; It can't hurt. - Rod Speed - Yep, that does eliminate one possibility if it finds no errors. - Nehmo - I downloaded that but it requires a floppy. Believe it or not, I don't have one here. I could get one, but I can't wait any longer. I ran the Windows utility, Check Disk (C drive Properties Tools tab Check Now button), and everything checked out okay. - Rod Speed - I'd personally do something about that before doing anything else. At least write the stuff thats irreplaceable to multiple CDs, even if I had to run out and buy a burner to do that. - Nehmo - I realize caution advocates for a back up, but that would be another delay. - Nehmo - and I got a continuance from the judge.) - Rod Speed - I dont end up in court myself. - Nehmo - My current court cases (and they may be briefly described as "traffic") are an indirect consequence of a much larger civil case which I fought for five years and lost against Missouri's Division of Family Services. I'm not going to get started on that, but I want to explain that being in court isn't really my doing. - Nehmo - [when the computer was turning itself off and the processor fan was still running] I can't turn everything off and on again by the front button; - Rod Speed - What have you told XP to do with that button ? Thats in Power Options. - Nehmo - In Power Options Properties, I have it set to "Shut down". It didn't have any effect when the system had that problem. - Nehmo - I've unplugged and re-plugged the ATA ribbon so many times (I used long nose pliers) that the pieces of plastic _over_ the end connectors have come off. - Rod Speed - Best to replace it. - Nehmo - I bought another $17 (counting tax) one at Office Max, a Bellkin Ultra ATA Hard Drive Round Cable http://www.ericseven.com?id=1333 it has the nice feature of "Quick-pull tabs for separating connector and drive" The old cable is probably still good though. - Rod Speed - Yeah, its certainly a more known quantity since its been around for much longer. - Nehmo - I just installed Symantec Ghost Enterprise Edition. - Rod Speed - Its a bit of a handful. If you dont find it obvious to use, try Ghost 2003. - Nehmo - Correct, I didn't find Ghost Enterprise Edition obvious to use (I thought it was the Ghost you everybody was talking about). I have it installed all right, but it comes in five parts: AI Builder; Ghost Explorer; Ghost boot Wizard; License Auditing Utility; and Multicast Server. Ghost Boot Wizard seems to be the one I should use, but Help doesn't really explain how to get a new HD bootable. XXCLONE, on the other hand, is obvious to use. A pity it didn't work completely. You can't have everything :-) I'm at this moment downloading a different Ghost program via eMule CB3C9D282E4254E3C402A9FC57760BDE ; it's titled Norton Ghost 2003. I hope it's the real thing. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 06:51:02 GMT, "Nehmo Sergheyev"
wrote: - Nehmo - I'll run my usual check-out stuff, and I'll try memtest86. http://www.memtest86.com/ ; It can't hurt. - Rod Speed - Yep, that does eliminate one possibility if it finds no errors. - Nehmo - I downloaded that but it requires a floppy. Believe it or not, I don't have one here. I could get one, but I can't wait any longer. I ran the Windows utility, Check Disk (C drive Properties Tools tab Check Now button), and everything checked out okay. No it doesn't, you can do it from a bootable CD somehow. |
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message ... - Nehmo - I temporarily put aside the drive replacement/addition job until I can get the system running normally. I have to limit changes, so I can figure out what's to blame. - Rod Speed - Yeah, thats the best approach, resolve the instability problem before trying to clone the drive. - Nehmo - Somehow the system isn't turning off anymore. I don't know what I did, if I did anything. Most likely its just XP. It doesnt like the ACPI setting being changed behind its back much. Best to try a clean install of XP with the correct ACPI setting but thats very dangerous with no real backups and a system with a known stability problem. I'd normally do a clean XP install on a spare hard drive in that situation and see if that makes the stability problem go away. Guess you could do that with the drive you want to clone to. I posted in another NG http://www.ericseven.com?id=1332 , and Rick \"Nutcase\" Rogers suggested the BIOS battery may be low. Could be. I doubt it. Shouldnt produce those symptoms. The cold might have had something to do with it too. Yeah, thats possible if you have a hardware problem. Anyway, power management seems to be working normally now, And that sort of intermittent instability is always a damned nuisance to resolve too. and I'm ready to try installing the HD again. Dont try anything dangerous to your data given that you arent backed up. - Nehmo - I'll run my usual check-out stuff, and I'll try memtest86. http://www.memtest86.com/ ; It can't hurt. - Rod Speed - Yep, that does eliminate one possibility if it finds no errors. - Nehmo - I downloaded that but it requires a floppy. Believe it or not, I don't have one here. I believe it. Many dont bother with them anymore. There is also an ISO that you can burn a CD from, but you obviously need a CD burner to do that. I could get one, but I can't wait any longer. I ran the Windows utility, Check Disk (C drive Properties Tools tab Check Now button), and everything checked out okay. That doesnt even check memory at all. - Rod Speed - I'd personally do something about that before doing anything else. At least write the stuff thats irreplaceable to multiple CDs, even if I had to run out and buy a burner to do that. - Nehmo - I realize caution advocates for a back up, but that would be another delay. Losing the irreplaceable data will be an even worse delay. - Nehmo - [when the computer was turning itself off and the processor fan was still running] I can't turn everything off and on again by the front button; - Rod Speed - What have you told XP to do with that button ? Thats in Power Options. - Nehmo - In Power Options Properties, I have it set to "Shut down". It didn't have any effect when the system had that problem. - Nehmo - I've unplugged and re-plugged the ATA ribbon so many times (I used long nose pliers) that the pieces of plastic _over_ the end connectors have come off. - Rod Speed - Best to replace it. - Nehmo - I bought another $17 (counting tax) one at Office Max, a Bellkin Ultra ATA Hard Drive Round Cable http://www.ericseven.com?id=1333 Urk, I dont use round cables myself. They flout the ATA standard. it has the nice feature of "Quick-pull tabs for separating connector and drive" The old cable is probably still good though. Maybe. Those ribbon cable connectors basically have spikes that pierce the insulation and grip the conductor and they dont necessarily keep doing that reliably without the outside plastic bit on properly. - Rod Speed - Yeah, its certainly a more known quantity since its been around for much longer. - Nehmo - I just installed Symantec Ghost Enterprise Edition. - Rod Speed - Its a bit of a handful. If you dont find it obvious to use, try Ghost 2003. - Nehmo - Correct, I didn't find Ghost Enterprise Edition obvious to use (I thought it was the Ghost you everybody was talking about). Nar most use whats usually called Ghost Personal or just Ghost 2003. I have it installed all right, but it comes in five parts: AI Builder; Ghost Explorer; Ghost boot Wizard; License Auditing Utility; and Multicast Server. Ghost Boot Wizard seems to be the one I should use, but Help doesn't really explain how to get a new HD bootable. Yeah, the documentation is one of the worst around currently. Ghost 2003 is much better, both with the user interface and the manual. XXCLONE, on the other hand, is obvious to use. A pity it didn't work completely. Going to be interesting to see if that is just due to the system instability. You can't have everything :-) Why not ? If I dont get it, I'll chuck a tantrum until I get it |-) I'm at this moment downloading a different Ghost program via eMule CB3C9D282E4254E3C402A9FC57760BDE ; it's titled Norton Ghost 2003. I hope it's the real thing. Its also in SystemWorks Pro 2003. Got to be Pro, its not in SystemWorks 2003. |
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- Nehmo -
and I'm ready to try installing the HD again. - Rod Speed - Dont try anything dangerous to your data given that you arent backed up. - Nehmo - I just sent my Outlook contacts to the web space my ISP gives me. That's somewhat of a precaution. I might start doing it regularly, maybe in a form that's a bit encrypted. - Nehmo - I'll try memtest86. - Rod Speed - Yep, that does eliminate one possibility if it finds no errors. - Nehmo - I downloaded that but it requires a floppy. Believe it or not, I don't have one here. - Rod Speed - I believe it. Many dont bother with them anymore. There is also an ISO that you can burn a CD from, but you obviously need a CD burner to do that. - Nehmo - I need to get one of those. I suppose that should be the next thing. I'd like a DVD burner though. I'd have to get one that worked on this 533 system. Or maybe it's time to get a new mother board? I gotta do something. The world is passing me by. - Nehmo - I ran the Windows utility, Check Disk (C drive Properties Tools tab Check Now button), and everything checked out okay. - Rod Speed - That doesnt even check memory at all. - Nehmo - I got a floppy and ran memtest-86, http://www.memtest86.com/ . I think it just keeps making passes again and again. I ran it for almost two hours. Everything at that point was okay. I believe it had already gone through a complete cycle. - Nehmo - I bought another $17 (counting tax) one at Office Max, a Bellkin Ultra ATA Hard Drive Round Cable http://www.ericseven.com?id=1333 - Rod Speed - Urk, I dont use round cables myself. They flout the ATA standard. - Nehmo - The package claimed round was an advantage, because of airflow. It also glows in the dark when illuminated by a UV light. How could I pass that up? Anyway, it's what I have. It was the only type of ATA cable available at that Office Max. - Nehmo - Correct, I didn't find Ghost Enterprise Edition obvious to use (I thought it was the Ghost you everybody was talking about). Nar most use whats usually called Ghost Personal or just Ghost 2003. - Nehmo - I now have Norton Ghost 2003 v 2003.789 . It made me uninstall the Enterprise version before it would install itself. The Copy I got didn't even ask for a serial number. I registered with my real name and gave an address and an e-address. - Rod Speed - Ghost 2003 is much better, both with the user interface and the manual. - Nehmo - It seems all I need to do is . Physically install the disk old=master & new=slave (jumper configuration and position) on the same ATA cable Format the new HD via right click on My Computer Manage etc. Start Ghost 2003 Advanced Clone follow wizard Shut down Change jumper so new=master configuration and change cable position so that new=master, keep old HD unattached Start and let the computer boot form the new disk If everything works at this point, then Shut down reattach old disk with slave jumper configuration and slave position on cable. That's my plan. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message ... I now have Norton Ghost 2003 v 2003.789 . It seems all I need to do is . Physically install the disk old=master & new=slave (jumper configuration and position) on the same ATA cable That stuff doesnt matter at all, any legal config is fine, both with which drive is the master and slave and both drives on different cables too. Format the new HD via right click on My Computer Manage etc. Thats not necessary either. Start Ghost 2003 Advanced Clone follow wizard Shut down Change jumper so new=master configuration and change cable position so that new=master, keep old HD unattached That very last is crucial. Start and let the computer boot form the new disk XP should notificy you about new hardware at this point, the new hard drive, and ask to be allowed to reboot. If everything works at this point, then Shut down reattach old disk with slave jumper configuration and slave position on cable. That's my plan. That'd normally work fine. You have been dancing on those graves tho... |
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- Nehmo -
That's my plan. - Rod Speed - That'd normally work fine. You have been dancing on those graves tho... - Nehmo - Now the drive doesn't show up at all. It doesn't show up in that BIOS screen that pops up before Windows starts, and it doesn't show up anywhere else either. I tried replacing the new Belkin round cable with the Maxtor-provided ATA cable, but still nothing. Naturally, I made sure the cables were securely attached. I can feel the motor running so it must be getting power. The Maxtor literature says with certain BIOS types, you have to set it to highlight the IDE/HDD hard drives options and press Enter. I don't see such an option in my BIOS, and anyway, I didn't need to do that the other times I installed this drive. Other than not recognizing the new HD, the computer is working fine. Right now, I'm thinking I should take it back to Best Buy and replace it with a different brand. It's still under 14 days. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message news That's my plan. That'd normally work fine. You have been dancing on those graves tho... Now the drive doesn't show up at all. It doesn't show up in that BIOS screen that pops up before Windows starts, and it doesn't show up anywhere else either. I tried replacing the new Belkin round cable with the Maxtor-provided ATA cable, but still nothing. That'd normally be due to either the jumpering being wrong or no AUTO drive type in the cmos drive table. The new cable should be a cable select cable, so just jumper the drives as cable select and make sure you do have the motherboard end of the cable plugged into the motherboard connector. Naturally, I made sure the cables were securely attached. I can feel the motor running so it must be getting power. The Maxtor literature says with certain BIOS types, you have to set it to highlight the IDE/HDD hard drives options and press Enter. I don't see such an option in my BIOS, and anyway, I didn't need to do that the other times I installed this drive. Yeah, the Maxtor documentation does leave quite a bit to be desired. Other than not recognizing the new HD, the computer is working fine. Right now, I'm thinking I should take it back to Best Buy and replace it with a different brand. It's still under 14 days. It cant be the cable, you're getting the same effect with two different cables. |
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