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Replace Mobo in XP??
"relic" wrote in message news jim wrote: "philo" wrote in message ... You may also want to look into running a repair installation after switching to the new hardware. This will allow you to keep programs and settings while getting around the driver issue. Bob That seems to be the easiest solution. I agree, the repair installtion only takes a few minutes... and all you need do afterwards is re-apply the updates No, the two together take at least an hour. Not for someone who knows how. Wrong. Why don't you contribute by having a look here and commenting: www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html |
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I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro. When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed. Never had a problem... On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:14:04 -0700, "jim" wrote: I'd like to ask some questions about replacing/changing a mobo in an XP pro system. I've done some research on this issue and have come to the following conclusions. XP is not quite as Plug & Play as 98[SE] was in this regard. One can not just take the OS HD and put it in another box and expect it to boot and re-find everything and install all the appropriate drivers etc. like it would in 98SE. The limitations appear to be in two areas. The first is the HAL which is a function of the CPU and number thereof and presence/absence of ACPI mobo BIOS. The second is the HD drivers. I've found all sorts of site/articles regarding how to do this and fix these issues for the mobo ATA controller case. Other HD cases seem to be tractable using the F6 install drivers(SCSI technique). One that seems to be similar to many others regarding the mobo ATA HD issue is: www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html My conclusion is that one should make the registry and file additions on any XP system so that failure recovery on new hardware is more convenient at a later time. Am I missing something here or is that about right. The second issue is that HAL. If the old and new systems are single CPU ACPI mobos then everything works. It makes no difference is one is a VIA chipset and Athlon and the other an Intel chipset and an Intel CPU. Do I have this right so far? If one is going from a single CPU case to a new P4 supporting HT then one must force in a new HAL for multiprocessor ACPI. Apparently that can be done in Recovery console or by putting the HD in another system where files may be manipulated before attempting a boot on the new mobo. Right so far? Are the above the only two issues? Will all the other gadgets and chipsets etc. be redetected and appropriate drivers installed? Will one be able to boot and move forward in most all cases if the above two issues are dealt with? |
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jim spewed forth with the following drivel: "relic" wrote in message news jim wrote: "philo" wrote in message ... You may also want to look into running a repair installation after switching to the new hardware. This will allow you to keep programs and settings while getting around the driver issue. Bob That seems to be the easiest solution. I agree, the repair installtion only takes a few minutes... and all you need do afterwards is re-apply the updates No, the two together take at least an hour. Not for someone who knows how. Wrong. Why don't you contribute by having a look here and commenting: www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html No YOU are wrong. Do you really think your little webpage will prove WE can't do what we say we can? Only morons cannot do as Relic suggests. I guess that makes you a moron. You are a nitwit and a poor loser. Now slink away. -- Buster Gatekeeper: alt.os.windows-xp |
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"Zknb" rtjeopr.com wrote in message st.giganews.com... Really? I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro. When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed. Never had a problem... Yep, that's what many report even when the mobos use different chipsets. If the multiprocessor and/or ACPI situation chnages then things aren't quite that easy but still tractable. I'm trying to gather more information from folks on exactly what works transparently and what needs a like help with respect to HW changes. What were the characteristics of the old and new mobos in the cases you've tried? On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:14:04 -0700, "jim" wrote: I'd like to ask some questions about replacing/changing a mobo in an XP pro system. I've done some research on this issue and have come to the following conclusions. XP is not quite as Plug & Play as 98[SE] was in this regard. One can not just take the OS HD and put it in another box and expect it to boot and re-find everything and install all the appropriate drivers etc. like it would in 98SE. The limitations appear to be in two areas. The first is the HAL which is a function of the CPU and number thereof and presence/absence of ACPI mobo BIOS. The second is the HD drivers. I've found all sorts of site/articles regarding how to do this and fix these issues for the mobo ATA controller case. Other HD cases seem to be tractable using the F6 install drivers(SCSI technique). One that seems to be similar to many others regarding the mobo ATA HD issue is: www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html My conclusion is that one should make the registry and file additions on any XP system so that failure recovery on new hardware is more convenient at a later time. Am I missing something here or is that about right. The second issue is that HAL. If the old and new systems are single CPU ACPI mobos then everything works. It makes no difference is one is a VIA chipset and Athlon and the other an Intel chipset and an Intel CPU. Do I have this right so far? If one is going from a single CPU case to a new P4 supporting HT then one must force in a new HAL for multiprocessor ACPI. Apparently that can be done in Recovery console or by putting the HD in another system where files may be manipulated before attempting a boot on the new mobo. Right so far? Are the above the only two issues? Will all the other gadgets and chipsets etc. be redetected and appropriate drivers installed? Will one be able to boot and move forward in most all cases if the above two issues are dealt with? |
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jim spewed forth with the following drivel: "relic" wrote in message news jim wrote: "philo" wrote in message ... You may also want to look into running a repair installation after switching to the new hardware. This will allow you to keep programs and settings while getting around the driver issue. Bob That seems to be the easiest solution. I agree, the repair installtion only takes a few minutes... and all you need do afterwards is re-apply the updates No, the two together take at least an hour. Not for someone who knows how. Wrong. Why don't you contribute by having a look here and commenting: www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html No YOU are wrong. Do you really think your little webpage will prove WE can't do what we say we can? Only morons cannot do as Relic suggests. I guess that makes you a moron. You are a nitwit and a poor loser. Now slink away. -- Buster Gatekeeper: alt.os.windows-xp |
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"Zknb" rtjeopr.com wrote in message st.giganews.com... Really? I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro. When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed. Never had a problem... Yep, that's what many report even when the mobos use different chipsets. If the multiprocessor and/or ACPI situation chnages then things aren't quite that easy but still tractable. I'm trying to gather more information from folks on exactly what works transparently and what needs a like help with respect to HW changes. What were the characteristics of the old and new mobos in the cases you've tried? On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:14:04 -0700, "jim" wrote: I'd like to ask some questions about replacing/changing a mobo in an XP pro system. I've done some research on this issue and have come to the following conclusions. XP is not quite as Plug & Play as 98[SE] was in this regard. One can not just take the OS HD and put it in another box and expect it to boot and re-find everything and install all the appropriate drivers etc. like it would in 98SE. The limitations appear to be in two areas. The first is the HAL which is a function of the CPU and number thereof and presence/absence of ACPI mobo BIOS. The second is the HD drivers. I've found all sorts of site/articles regarding how to do this and fix these issues for the mobo ATA controller case. Other HD cases seem to be tractable using the F6 install drivers(SCSI technique). One that seems to be similar to many others regarding the mobo ATA HD issue is: www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html My conclusion is that one should make the registry and file additions on any XP system so that failure recovery on new hardware is more convenient at a later time. Am I missing something here or is that about right. The second issue is that HAL. If the old and new systems are single CPU ACPI mobos then everything works. It makes no difference is one is a VIA chipset and Athlon and the other an Intel chipset and an Intel CPU. Do I have this right so far? If one is going from a single CPU case to a new P4 supporting HT then one must force in a new HAL for multiprocessor ACPI. Apparently that can be done in Recovery console or by putting the HD in another system where files may be manipulated before attempting a boot on the new mobo. Right so far? Are the above the only two issues? Will all the other gadgets and chipsets etc. be redetected and appropriate drivers installed? Will one be able to boot and move forward in most all cases if the above two issues are dealt with? |
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jim wrote:
| "relic" wrote in message | news || jim wrote: ||| "philo" wrote in message ||| ... |||| |||| ||||| You may also want to look into running a repair installation after ||||| switching to the new hardware. This will allow you to keep ||||| programs and settings while getting around the driver issue. ||||| Bob ||||| ||||| ||||| That seems to be the easiest solution. |||| |||| |||| |||| I agree, the repair installtion only takes a few minutes... |||| and all you need do afterwards is re-apply the updates ||| ||| No, the two together take at least an hour. || || Not for someone who knows how. | | Wrong. Where is your proof to support that Relic is wrong? You are such a head****ed **** that you cannot see that people have other ways of doing things, if all you have is preconceived ideas about how you want to do things then WTF are you doing posting to Usenet? | | Why don't you contribute by having a look here and commenting: | www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html Covered elsewhere, although it presupposes that the original motherboard or system actually works. -- Gazwad Freelance scientist and people tester. Guardian: alt.os.windows-xp Moderator: alt.warez.uk www.gazwad.com |
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"jim" wrote in message
"relic" wrote in message Not for someone who knows how. Wrong. Oh dear! -- Some Big **** Criminally insane psychosomatic Usenet troll 'Who Moved My Cheese?' |
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Wrong. bwahahahahahahahahahah, what a tool! -- I'm not a racist - I hate everybody EQUALLY! |
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Zknb wrote:
Really? I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro. When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed. Never had a problem... And if it doesn't work (it doesn't always work), you resort to the "repair install" method. That's what we're all trying to tell the guy! -- I'm not a racist - I hate everybody EQUALLY! |
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"-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message ... Zknb wrote: Really? I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro. When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed. Never had a problem... And if it doesn't work (it doesn't always work), you resort to the "repair install" method. That's what we're all trying to tell the guy! -- I'm not a racist - I hate everybody EQUALLY! I hadn't bothered posting to this one because the guy obviously doesn't want to listen but just for kicks I'll put my vote in as well. Repair install is the easiest least painful way to do a Mobo change unless you get lucky and XP see's the Mobo on it's own. There thats what like 20 votes for a epair install now? lol |
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"-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message ... Zknb wrote: Really? I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro. When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed. Never had a problem... And if it doesn't work (it doesn't always work), you resort to the "repair install" method. That's what we're all trying to tell the guy! -- I'm not a racist - I hate everybody EQUALLY! I hadn't bothered posting to this one because the guy obviously doesn't want to listen but just for kicks I'll put my vote in as well. Repair install is the easiest least painful way to do a Mobo change unless you get lucky and XP see's the Mobo on it's own. There thats what like 20 votes for a epair install now? lol That's just 20 who are wrong. Ask jim. (Wait.... you don't mean it the other way around, do you?) -- - relic - Don't take life too seriously, You won't get out alive. |
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"relic" wrote in message ... wojo wrote: "-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message ... Zknb wrote: Really? I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro. When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed. Never had a problem... And if it doesn't work (it doesn't always work), you resort to the "repair install" method. That's what we're all trying to tell the guy! -- I'm not a racist - I hate everybody EQUALLY! I hadn't bothered posting to this one because the guy obviously doesn't want to listen but just for kicks I'll put my vote in as well. Repair install is the easiest least painful way to do a Mobo change unless you get lucky and XP see's the Mobo on it's own. There thats what like 20 votes for a epair install now? lol That's just 20 who are wrong. Ask jim. (Wait.... you don't mean it the other way around, do you?) -- - relic - Don't take life too seriously, You won't get out alive. yup, 20 who are wrong and Jim all by his little lonesome as the only right one CHAWhatever lol |
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"-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message ... Zknb wrote: Really? I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro. When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed. Never had a problem... And if it doesn't work (it doesn't always work), you resort to the "repair install" method. That's what we're all trying to tell the guy! Not all but just a few wackos unable to deal with the fact that an alternative does exist. |
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"wojo" wrote in message ... "-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message ... Zknb wrote: Really? I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro. When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed. Never had a problem... And if it doesn't work (it doesn't always work), you resort to the "repair install" method. That's what we're all trying to tell the guy! -- I'm not a racist - I hate everybody EQUALLY! I hadn't bothered posting to this one because the guy obviously doesn't want to listen but just for kicks I'll put my vote in as well. Repair install is the easiest least painful way to do a Mobo change unless you get lucky and XP see's the Mobo on it's own. There thats what like 20 votes for a epair install now? lol The web is full of votes and "how to-s" otherwise as I've cited. The accumulation of fogger trolls here has no meaning. |
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