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Toshiba W-7 went dark
"Paul" wrote in message news C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Macrium\ReflectDL\ReflectDL.log I can't access that. It has a lock icon and says it's not accessible. -- Microsoft motto "If it ain't broke keep fixing it till it is." |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
"Patrick" wrote in message news Or just put "USB SATA" into ebay.com; https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...+SATA&_sacat=0 First item being an adapter cable for SATA to USB, cost $4.04.; https://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-to-...kAAOSwEzxYTko5 The problem is that it might take some time for delivery, one could search through the items looking for a quick delivery. There is near top of ebay page, a button/switch that says; "Guaranteed 3 day delivery", I was unable check said because it asks for a ZIP code (I'm in UK also). Is this all I need? The one for $4.04? I plug the Toshiba's HD into it and plug it into THIS healthy desktop and see what's on the HD? See of she spins up? That sound easy enough for someone like myself who is technologically challenged. -- Microsoft motto "If it ain't broke keep fixing it till it is." |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
"Mike Easter" wrote in message ... HB wrote: I can't see what use Linux is since the Toshiba runs it just fine from the DVD. What useful info do we get from that? My earlier suggestion about using the linux fatdog was: - acknowledge that fatdog sees your hdd icons in the lower left of the desktop called sda1 and sda2 - R click such as sda1 and from the context menu select 'Check integrity' This is what I see. There are no sda1 and sda2 on the left of the Fatdog desktop to click on. Where is sda1 and sda2 to click on? https://postimg.org/gallery/38afbakly/ Then, finding that there is an operational/sound hdd there, use the Tosh instructions to access the Tosh recovery wizard to replace the Windows installation with the factory install from the Tosh recovery partition by connecting to power source, and turning the computer on while holding down the keyboard 0 (zero) key. There are no Tosh' instructions when turning the Tosh on holding down the 0 key. Just a loud irritating sound. Nothing else. - computer turned off - turn on computer while holding the 0 (zero) key - Tosh Recovery Wizard warning screen - may have option to choose between 32 & 64 bit Win7 There is no recovery wizard when this is done. .. This message shows the link to the Tosh instructions http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=152165126200 Thanks, but that doesn't work. All I got was a black screen with a dash in the upper right and loud irritating sound. |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (loaded fatdog)
"Paul" wrote in message news HB wrote: Found it - No image shows after typing in some kind of code. https://postimg.org/gallery/38afbakly/ Your first command, it looks like you typed a capital S. That was all low-case. I'll do it again. The second command, you were supposed to type You can't see it in the image? I can. ?!?!?! Let me do it yet again for the 5th time and see if it works. smartctl -a /dev/sda (says Unable to detect device type) smartctl requires a device type .. Same error. It said to use smartctl -h so instead of smartctl -a /dev/sda - and a whole bunch of info came up. All codes. Nothing useful unless you're a tech and can understand the terminology. One of your pictures shows an interesting thing. The hard drive shows a single partition of sda1. Which would be a little unusual for an OEM disk setup. Or for that matter, for a Windows 7 retail install. An OEM-prepared drive would have things like 14GB recovery partition, a System Reserved, and a C: partition. It has a C: and D: I assume the D: partition is where the info comes from when you do a recovery or restore. I take that to mean, Fatdog doesn't "see" a second partition, meaning other partitions are damaged or the partitions are no longer in the partition table. Normally, I would try running "testdisk", but the interface is pretty horrible, and one of the operations involves starting a scan, stopping it, and *then* it presents a menu opportunity to examine the files inside the partition. A test disk through Linux? But for just displaying the existence of files in a partition, it's a great tool to have onboard. Beyond my capabilities. Even the smartctl report of Reallocated Sectors "raw data value" would be of some assistance. A ddrescue scan through Linux? If there's something to type into the command prompt in Linux let me know and I can try it. |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (loaded fatdog)
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , HB writes: This is the best the old camera can do. https://postimg.org/gallery/38afbakly/ Doid that is it says, "Smartctl not found." I _think_ I know why: unlike much of Windows, much of Linux is case-sensitive. I think you typed smartctl with a capital S the first time. No, it's not capitolized. Look closer. All letters are the same height. And I did it again tonight and got an error. Let me try it for the 6th time. Now I can't find the post with the code to type in. Just as well because the 6th and 7th time would be the same. The second time would have been fine if you'd just pressed the return (sometimes called enter) _key_ at the end of the line, rather than actually typing r e t u r n! The error message that resulted says, basically, that smartctl takes one parameter and you'd given it two, so it didn't know what to do with the second one ("return"). Just type it again - (a) with the cases exactly as specified (no capital s), and (b) just _pressing_ return at the end (as you obviously do anyway). Then tell us (or snap for us) what happens. I pressed the Enter key. You could also try fdisk with parameters and following p and q lines, as in Java Jive's post. (Maybe another snap.) What do I type in? Parameters? Iget all this tech stuff that means nothing since I can't post it here. fdisk bring up more code stuff with questions. It has nothing to do with what's on the Toshiba's HD. Someone who knows and understands all these codes may find it helpful. What does this have to do with Linux? This looks like a simpler OS than Linux is as complex as Windows, and in the last decade or so has approached it in graphical user interface. (Which is not bad considering it's all free.) Though to get it to do things, you need to learn how to do things in it, just as you did in Windows. (And despite what [some of] its enthusiasts will claim, it _does_ still use the command prompt/terminal more than Windows does - or, at least, you're more likely to get command prompt instructions from most Linux enthusiasts than you are from most Windows ones.) That would take weeks if not months to learn. And it's something that bores me to death. Good for someone retired with plenty of time on their hands who likes to work with this kind of technology. All I want to do is boot this Toshiba if possible and give it back to my daughters. The time I already put into this I could have bought the girls a new laptop. I have no plans of ever doing this for a living or a hobby. No, any more than you'd see them while Windows is loading; you have to run things to generate them. And Paul was telling you where to get the things to run. But that's a bit down the line: if we're going to go the Linux route, let's just get a terminal up, and run smartctl (which apparently is included in fatdog Linux) in it first, to see if there's any point in continuing to work with this hard drive. Then I need to SEE the exact text I need to type into the command prompt to get the information you need. See the images at the site posted above. Nothing like the image you showed. The third one _is_ similar: it shows a fatdog GUI, with a terminal window open, and the results of you typing things into it - just not _quite_ the right things (-: OK... what is the EXACT text to type into the command prompt? I have to see it as it has to appear in the window. -- Microsoft motto "If it ain't broke keep fixing it till it is." |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
"Paul" wrote in message news Java Jive wrote: The command disktype /dev/sda I typed this in the CP (command prompt) and it mentions a partition 1 and a partition 2 NTFS system followed by bytes and numbers. It sees there are 2 partitions. Data read failed at position (list of numbers) Input/output error. Error petition 3. As far as I know there is no partition 3. |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 02:22:51 -0400, "HB" wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message news C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Macrium\ReflectDL\ReflectDL.log I can't access that. It has a lock icon and says it's not accessible. Here is the info in Reflect.log on my PC. I opened it in Notepad. It was created when I downloaded the latest version of Macrium Reflect Free yesterday. The file does not have a lock icon and is fully accessible. Reflect.log - Notepad Macrium Reflect download agent v7.1.2646 OS: v6.2.9200 Architectu x64 Loglevel: 0 Acquire features file Http fetch features file Download Type: Free Download option: Reflect Installer Only Component count: 1 Downloading component: Macrium Reflect installer Download file: v7.1.2963_reflect_setup_free_x64.exe from set:installer To: C:\Users\Monty\Downloads\Macrium\v7.1.2963_reflect _setup_free_x64.exe INFO: Http Status : 206 File system supports sparse files Download successful Component download complete End of component download list ReflectDL ending |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
In message , HB writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , HB writes: With the dock I've shown you, you plug the drive into one of the two slots on top of the dock; there are connectors in the bottom of the slot which mate with the connectors on the end of the drive. You then connect a USB lead (which comes with the dock) from the back panel of the dock to a USB port on a (working) PC. OK, it will work with the Toshoiba's HD even though I don't know what kind of drive it is? If it's a SATA drive, i. e. has two small connectors with L-shaped plastic guides around each, then yes. You don't need to know what make, model, capacity, etc. it is - it will work with any SATA drive. (OK, I suppose there _might_ be some it won't. Mine hasn't failed to work yet, with several 2.5" SATA drives, one 3.5" [the one I use for backup], and I think some EIDE drives.) Next question is if the Toshiba's HD is still good - then what? I still can't get past the "read disk error." There's still no way to fix that problem, so a System Restore or Recovery wont be possible. Buying a new HD and finding a MS W-7 64-bit disk that can be registered is, from what I understand, no guarantee the Tosh' will boot. I don't know where you've got that idea from; certainly a new HD and a disc from which to load Windows onto it _will_ give you a working Windows machine, if the disc can be registered ("activated" is I think the term). Obviously we can't _guarantee_ it, but I don't think anyone in this thread has suggested otherwise: we've established to a _reasonable_ amount of certainty that the rest of the laptop seems OK - certainly it booting as far as the GUI in fatdog Linux shows that the processor, memory, graphics circuitry, and display seem to be working, and the appearance of one of the icons on the Linux screen suggests that the circuitry that accesses the hard disc is working - so we just don't know if the hard disc itself is. (We haven't tested the sound, wifi, or USB parts, but I have no reason to believe they aren't fine. They _can_ be tested from Linux if necessary, but someone else will have to tell you how. I don't think it's necessary.) With no help it's of no use to me. I never heard of one OS showing the system info of another OS and fixing it, though it may be possible. I believe it is, though I don't know enough about Linux to know the details. Linux won't have the necessary files to repair a Windows installation if actual Windows files are corrupted, but it can: o interrogate the hardware of the drive to some extent o repair things like the partition table and boot sector Well typing that in the command prompt or whatever Linux called it did not bring up the info shown in the online image. See later. The first is what we've been trying to do with fatdog's terminal and that command that begins with s. If you enter that command, _exactly_ as Paul specified it - so that you _don't_ get either "command not recognised" or "wrong number of parameters" - you should get something that, when you show it to us via a screenshot, will tell us _something_ more about the hard drive than we know now. Similarly with the fdisk command and its subsidiaries, as detailed by I think Java Jive. https://postimg.org/gallery/38afbakly/ ---can you go there? Image of the fatdog screen of what showed. First time, you typed it with a capital S; second time, you added "return" onto the end. What we wanted you to type was just smartctl -a /dev/sda .. I _think_ (you've posted a lot of posts!) you now _have_ done this - could you add a screenshot of the results? [] I'm lost. There are 2 pages with 2 different looking electronic images. I need BOTH of these items? You take it out of the Toshiba, and put it into the housing (the ends of the housing come off); there are two connectors on the back of the PCB you can see at one end of the housing in the second picture which mate with the two connectors on the drive. What you end up with looks very like your Seagate drive, and is used in much the same way - you connect its USB lead to a working PC (using two USB sockets at the PC end). What is the PBC? I'm looking at those images still don't know which to buy (Sorry, printed circuit board.) shown on the 2 pages. I need both? I'm not following this since I never No, you don't need both (see below). saw anyone use anything like this. Where does that metal tab on the HD go? (Not sure what you mean by that metal tab; a SATA drive just has the two connectors. Anything else is just mounting arrangements. Post a picture of the drive if you like, and we'll say what's what.) The HD lays next to this thing with it's 2 cables plugged into it? I've given you THREE ALTERNATIVE ways of connecting drives to a USB port. IMO the best, and most expensive though even that is only twentysomething dollars, is the dock. If you use that, it - the dock - sits neatly on your desk, and you plug the drive into the top of it. (With a cable from the back of the dock going to your working computer's USB port.) The NEXT alternative is a "cable" with a power supply: with that, things look less tidy: the HD does indeed lie on your desk with two cables connected to it - a data one (red) that goes to the black "plug" which connects to the USB, and a power one from the power supply. The THIRD alternative - last time I was involved in buying one of these it was less than two pounds - was a housing, that comes with USB cable, and a small circuit board inside the housing: you put the drive inside the housing, plug the circuit board into it, put the housing together using the screws and screwdriver supplied, and end up with something that looks like your existing Seagate external drive, other than cosmetically (the ends are a different shape); I am sure that, in fact, your Seagate unit has inside it just a normal 2.5" SATA drive, just rather securely fixed so you haven't been able to get into it. Or, you could use the ($4.04 was it?) or so cable another poster has found; that basically does the same as the housing, other than that the drive lays bare rather than being in a case. As long as the USB end has _two_ USB plugs to ensure it gets enough power; it _might_ work with only one, but it'd be a pity to discard the drive as not appearing to work, just because it wasn't getting enough power. All of these four do the same two things: (a) translate USB to and from SATA, so you can read/write/control the drive from the working PC, and (b) provide power to the drive, either from an external supply (that comes with the kit) or from (ideally two) USB ports. [] No, the people here are NOT boring. It's all those pages and pages on this That's good to hear! problem I've read online. About OSI files and boot disks, and burners and That's ISO - international standards organisation. stopping W-10 from updating and her favorite game stopping since the The W10 update danger has passed: about a year ago (IIRR), Microsoft provided updates to Windows 7 that, unless you were very careful, updated a W7 machine to W10. Two (main, anyway) outfits produced utilities you could install to make sure this did not happen. But that's over now, and it doesn't look likely that MS will do it again (though you can never be sure), so it's (probably) no longer a worry. updates, and the recent problem with OE6 not keeping passwords...... belive That turned out to be a red herring - it wasn't OE6 (which won't run under W7 anyway), it was an OE6 lookalike (from xsforall IIRR). And I think even that got better (started remembering passwords again). me, you guys are not boring compared to the reading I've done recently. :^) [] A new HD should be $70 or less, probably much less, especially if you go for one of lower capacity than 1 TB. But only if you actually need one, which we haven't established yet. I'll order that "dock" tomorrow but would like to know if I also need the thing on: https://www.ebay.com/itm/172256326228 If so I can order both. Not if you order the dock. They are alternatives. You might also consider getting a 2.5" SATA drive: it does rather look as if the one in the Tosh is unwell, so would have to be replaced, but even if it isn't, you could use it for keeping backup images on, as you do the Seagate one. -- (You should have a space at the end of that line - it should be "-- " rather than "--". [Then good software will recognise it and not quote anything after it in replies and followups.]) Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus - I like it. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Everyone is entitled to an *informed* opinion." - Harlan Ellison |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
Mike Easter wrote:
Pasting from the terminal into the newsgroup message would actually be better than his taking screenshots. SeaMonkey is pretty easy to work/use -- his experience is with OE that he is posting with here in XP. Posting this from SM in Fatdog. In order to configure SM he would need to: Menu/ Internet/ SeaMonkey mail/ (New account setup - Newsgroup account) populate name, invalid newsgroup address, news server and its nickname, then select that nickname in the L pane. In the R pane - view settings for this account - server settings - always request authentication when connecting to this server Then use R panel newsgroup subscriptions and Manage newsgroup subscriptions. Unlike conventional news agents and his OE, that is the first time the password manager provides an opportunity to input the user and pass for the agent and save them into the manager. After the list loads he would be able to subscribe to this newsgroup and copy and past something from the terminal. Example; pasting the xscreenshot prompt RATS!! Fatdog's default terminals urxvt and xterm don't 'work right' (as I'm accustomed) for copying text into the clipboard, so my bright idea about pasting from the clipboard into a news message is a bomb. It would take too much 'fixing' to be able to do that. Until I figure out how to mitigate that problem simply, screenshots would have to do. -- Mike Easter |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
In message , HB writes:
"Patrick" wrote in message news [] First item being an adapter cable for SATA to USB, cost $4.04.; https://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-to-...ve-Adapter-Cab le-UASP-SATA-to-USB3-0-Converter/183129692533?epid=2078467902&hash=item 2aa3615975:g:tckAAOSwEzxYTko5 The problem is that it might take some time for delivery, one could search through the items looking for a quick delivery. There is near top of ebay page, a button/switch that says; "Guaranteed 3 day delivery", I was unable check said because it asks for a ZIP code (I'm in UK also). Is this all I need? The one for $4.04? I plug the Toshiba's HD into it and plug it into THIS healthy desktop and see what's on the HD? See of she spins up? That sound easy enough for someone like myself who is technologically challenged. Yes. That does what the three alternatives I gave you (dock, "cable", or housing) do. My only slight concern about that one is that the USB end only has _one_ plug; this _might_ not deliver sufficient power. Here's one with two USB plugs: https://www.ebay.com/itm/182543285419 (and that one's $2.34!) It does the same as the housing, which has the advantage of putting the drive in a protective (and quite smart) housing, but I can't find one for less than $7.96 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/112652273779); odd, as I'm sure I got exactly that model for less than two pounds around Christmas 2016. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for a five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10): p12 |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (loaded fatdog)
In message , HB writes:
[] You can't see it in the image? I can. ?!?!?! Let me do it yet again for the 5th time and see if it works. smartctl -a /dev/sda (says Unable to detect device type) smartctl requires a device type Hmm. That doesn't sound too good: "Unable to detect device type" sounds as if it wasn't able to talk to the drive properly. THOUGH SEE NEXT POST. [] Windows 7 retail install. An OEM-prepared drive would have things like 14GB recovery partition, a System Reserved, and a C: partition. It has a C: and D: I assume the D: partition is where the info comes from when you do a recovery or restore. If you mean you remember seeing that it had a D: partition when it was working, then that would mean that someone - possibly the manufacturer - had set it up with two user-accessible partitions; some enlightened manufacturers do indeed do this. What you use them for is up to you. Windows and most installed software is almost always on the C: partition. The recovery partition, if there is one, is usually not visible to the user when normally using Windows; if the user can see C: and D:, and there _is_ a recovery partition as well, then there will be _three_ partitions. I take that to mean, Fatdog doesn't "see" a second partition, meaning other partitions are damaged or the partitions are no longer in the partition table. Normally, I would try running "testdisk", but the interface is pretty horrible, and one of the operations involves starting a scan, stopping it, and *then* it presents a menu opportunity to examine the files inside the partition. A test disk through Linux? No, he meant testdisk, a _command_ you can run (type) in Linux. But he says it's not friendly, so probably not for us to consider for now. But for just displaying the existence of files in a partition, it's a great tool to have onboard. Beyond my capabilities. Even the smartctl report of Reallocated Sectors "raw data value" would be of some assistance. A ddrescue scan through Linux? If there's something to type into the command prompt in Linux let me know and I can try it. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for a five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10): p12 |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
In message , HB writes:
"Paul" wrote in message news Java Jive wrote: The command disktype /dev/sda I typed this in the CP (command prompt) and . It sees there are 2 That is rather reassuring: it suggests that the drive electronics are working, and can read the drive surface, at least as far as the partition table, which is (as its name suggests) a table near the beginning of the disc which lays out what partitions the rest of the disc is divided into. If it couldn't read the disc surface, it wouldn't be able to report that. partitions. Data read failed at position (list of numbers) Input/output error. Error petition 3. As far as I know there is no partition 3. As I said in the previous post, if, when it was working, you could see a C: and a D: partition, then if there was also a hidden partition (which there often is), there would indeed be three partitions. Unfortunately, I don't _think_ we can assume that partition 3 is D:; different things see the partitions in a different order. Would you mind posting us a screenshot of where "it mentions a partition 1 and a partition 2 NTFS system followed by bytes and numbers" (or copying it out for us)? I know it's tedious, but that information would be very useful. (Oh, if you do do it with the camera, turn off [or put your finger over if you can't turn off] the flash; it reflects off the screen in the shot you have posted, and since the screen is backlit anyway it isn't needed - will probably give a better picture anyway.) A shot of the results of the smartctl -a /dev/sda result might also be useful - I know you're getting fed up of that one, but _we_ have so far only seen the results of your first two attempts, one of which had the capital S and the other the extra "return". -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Mary Poppins is a junkie" - bumper sticker on Julie Andrews' car in the '60s |
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On 22/03/2018 06:04, HB wrote:
OK, it will work with the Toshoiba's HD even though I don't know what kind of drive it is? Next question is if the Toshiba's HD is still good - then what? I still can't get past the "read disk error." There's still no way to fix that problem, so a System Restore or Recovery wont be possible. Buying a new HD and finding a MS W-7 64-bit disk that can be registered is, from what I understand, no guarantee the Tosh' will boot. I don't know if it has allready been suggested (or tried), but looking around I've seen suggestions to; 1. Turn the machine off. 2. Disconnect the power-supply and remove the battery. 3. Press the On button for 60 seconds. 4. Restore power-supply and try to boot. |
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On 22/03/2018 06:22, HB wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message news C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Macrium\ReflectDL\ReflectDL.log I can't access that. It has a lock icon and says it's not accessible. Me too HB, however I found said file here; C:\ProgramData\Macrium\ReflectDL\ReflectDL.log -- File found with AgentRansack |
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Mike Easter wrote:
Mike Easter wrote: Mike Easter wrote: I'm trying to figure out an uncomplicated way for HB to provide screenshot from fatdog. Aha. I'm getting control of this thing. Without the terminal, PrtScr activates xscreenshot and the cursor changes and the left mouse can be used to make the selection. Then ctrl-shft-PrtScr terminates the xscreenshot and by default puts the selection .png into the root directory. Using the filemanager on the taskbar opens that directory and the .png can be dragged into the Spot directory which is present by default. PrtScr is xscreensaver's default hotkey. SeaMonkey can be used to access postimg.org and paste in the .png and can access the Spot directory by default. That method eliminates having to give xcreenshot any commands from the terminal which command options can be seen with xscreenshot -h. It requires HB to use SM to open the Spot directory which is seen in the L pane of its file manager to give the .png to postimg.org. I went through this in FatDog64. I used PrintScr key. It saved a screenshot. i couldn't get SAMBA client to work, so I ended up using mount -t cifs ... and I did actually manage to transfer the screenshot. But later, when I attempted to umount cifs before shutting down, things froze, and I had to use the power button to turn off the PC. Then I had to reload my BIOS profile to get things back to normal :-/ I could have used a USB key. But chose not to. I decided screenshots would have to wait for another day. Paul |
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