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Any xp friendly printers out there still?
Hi All,
I have a machine shop customer with an air gaped XP computer running Generic CAD. He is running too many specialty things to upgrade the mess. Problem: his HP OJ printer quit. He need a new color printer. Letter size is fine. You guys know of parallel port, XP friendly replacement printer you would recommend? Many thanks, -T |
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On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 11:38:06, T wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised): Hi All, I have a machine shop customer with an air gaped XP computer running Generic CAD. He is running too many specialty things to upgrade the mess. Problem: his HP OJ printer quit. He need a new OJ = OfficeJet, i. e. an inkjet? color printer. Letter size is fine. Does it have to be colo(u)r? You guys know of parallel port, XP friendly replacement printer you would recommend? I think the parallel port is more likely to be the difficulty than the XP compatibility these days? Many thanks, -T Last time I looked, at least one company was still making their impact printers (what most people called "dot matrix", though everything other than golfball/daisywheel actually uses a matrix of dots) - at a pretty hefty price! They were more or less the same models from the '80s - including the parallel port. XP has drivers for them. I don't know if any _colour_ ones are still in production, though - there never were that many colour ones. If you _can_ use one of these, they would match the machine shop atmosphe they're mostly built like a tank, and despite what people think, capable of fairly good quality output - just slow (and noisy). Failing that, and if no-one comes up with other models, you _might_ be able to find a parallel port to _something_ converter. Does not the XP computer have any USB ports (or slots for cards)? XP was quite compatible with USB. [If it does but they're all in use for the CAD kit, then either an additional card or a (powered if necessary) hub should suit; that would then still leave you seeking a printer for which you can still get XP drivers, but _might_ broaden the field somewhat, I don't know.] There again, you might have to tell him that to go with such old kit, he's out of luck wanting _new_ - though finding a second-hand one _with a parallel port_ might be difficult: probably not that they'd have been discarded because they don't work, but junked because no-one needed them: someone might have one in a cupboard somewhere. Though if inkjet, probably clogged (if HP or another make where the heads are part of the cartridge, that's no problem _if_ you can get the cartridges). If dot-matrix and the ribbon's dried out, they can be rejuvenated relatively easily (though I only know for sure with a B/W one). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf He who prides himself on giving what he thinks the public wants is often creating a fictitious demand for low standards which he will then satisfy. - Lord Reith |
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On 2020-11-25 14:17, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 11:38:06, T wrote (my responses usually follow points raised): Hi All, I have a machine shop customer with an air gaped XP computer running Generic CAD.Â* He is running too many specialty things to upgrade the mess. Problem: his HP OJ printer quit.Â* He need a new OJ = OfficeJet, i. e. an inkjet? Customer was guessing over the phone color printer.Â* Letter size is fine. Does it have to be colo(u)r? America, so it is "color". You guys know of parallel port, XP friendly replacement printer you would recommend? I think the parallel port is more likely to be the difficulty than the XP compatibility these days? Ya. No fooling. Many thanks, -T No USB port. Still uses floppy disks. This thing is OLD. Thank you for the tips! |
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T wrote:
On 2020-11-25 14:17, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 11:38:06, T wrote (my responses usually follow points raised): Hi All, I have a machine shop customer with an air gaped XP computer running Generic CAD. He is running too many specialty things to upgrade the mess. Problem: his HP OJ printer quit. He need a new OJ = OfficeJet, i. e. an inkjet? Customer was guessing over the phone color printer. Letter size is fine. Does it have to be colo(u)r? America, so it is "color". You guys know of parallel port, XP friendly replacement printer you would recommend? I think the parallel port is more likely to be the difficulty than the XP compatibility these days? Ya. No fooling. Many thanks, -T No USB port. Still uses floppy disks. This thing is OLD. Thank you for the tips! Maybe a printer that takes a Jetdirect card ? But somehow I doubt they still make the parallel port version. Since the machine is running WinXP, you could stick a USB2 card in the machine. This assumes some slots are still available. But, will anyone make software that installs on WinXP ? That's going to be the tough part. Maybe stick an Ethernet card on the air-gapped WinXP machine and connect the Ethernet to a switch, then from the switch to the Ethernet port on the printer. With some luck, maybe there's a printing standard that doesn't need print dialogs. (Can you send a PDF to a printer ?) Sorry, but all these solutions "creak and groan" a lot. It's not going to end well. And I don't know if printer server boxes serve any translation functions you could take advantage of. Paul |
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On 2020-11-25 14:55, Paul wrote:
T wrote: On 2020-11-25 14:17, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 11:38:06, T wrote (my responses usually follow points raised): Hi All, I have a machine shop customer with an air gaped XP computer running Generic CAD.Â* He is running too many specialty things to upgrade the mess. Problem: his HP OJ printer quit.Â* He need a new OJ = OfficeJet, i. e. an inkjet? Customer was guessing over the phone color printer.Â* Letter size is fine. Does it have to be colo(u)r? America, so it is "color". You guys know of parallel port, XP friendly replacement printer you would recommend? I think the parallel port is more likely to be the difficulty than the XP compatibility these days? Ya.Â* No fooling. Many thanks, -T No USB port.Â* Still uses floppy disks.Â* This thing is OLD. Thank you for the tips! Maybe a printer that takes a Jetdirect card ? But somehow I doubt they still make the parallel port version. Since the machine is running WinXP, you could stick a USB2 card in the machine. This assumes some slots are still available. But, will anyone make software that installs on WinXP ? That's going to be the tough part. Maybe stick an Ethernet card on the air-gapped WinXP machine and connect the Ethernet to a switch, then from the switch to the Ethernet port on the printer. With some luck, maybe there's a printing standard that doesn't need print dialogs. (Can you send a PDF to a printer ?) Sorry, but all these solutions "creak and groan" a lot. It's not going to end well. And I don't know if printer server boxes serve any translation functions you could take advantage of. Â*Â* Paul Ya, he has himself between a rock and a hard place. He still uses floppies. I think there are still ISA USB 2 cards floating around here somewhere, but with XP drivers? |
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On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 14:22:24, T wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised): On 2020-11-25 14:17, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 11:38:06, T wrote (my responses usually follow points raised): Hi All, I have a machine shop customer with an air gaped XP computer running Generic CAD.* He is running too many specialty things to upgrade the mess. Problem: his HP OJ printer quit.* He need a new OJ = OfficeJet, i. e. an inkjet? Customer was guessing over the phone color printer.* Letter size is fine. Does it have to be colo(u)r? America, so it is "color". But does he need color (!)? Also, does he need graphics or just text? You guys know of parallel port, XP friendly replacement printer you would recommend? I think the parallel port is more likely to be the difficulty than the XP compatibility these days? Ya. No fooling. Many thanks, -T No USB port. Still uses floppy disks. This thing is OLD. Thank you for the tips! I just had a quick look on ebay UK - surprisingly many impact printers (I searched for "dot matrix"), both new and second-hand (some "opened but never used", believe that if you wish [if true, ribbon may need rejuvenating]), including at least one colour (and several colour ribbons, though not for the same model) - though I didn't see any colour new. I _imagine_ same in US (if not, I'm sure you could buy from here, but postage costs for one of those would be high!). Do tell us how you get on; I rather like imagining this living museum. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... there were parts of Roman York that appear to be more ethnically mixed than parts of modern York. - David Olusoga, RT 2016/11/5-11 |
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On 2020-11-25 15:12, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
ButÂ*doesÂ*heÂ*needÂ*colorÂ*(!)?Â*Also,Â*doesÂ*he *needÂ*graphicsÂ*orÂ*justÂ*text? YES !!!! |
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On 2020-11-25 11:38, T wrote:
Hi All, I have a machine shop customer with an air gaped XP computer running Generic CAD.Â* He is running too many specialty things to upgrade the mess. Problem: his HP OJ printer quit.Â* He need a new color printer.Â* Letter size is fine. You guys know of parallel port, XP friendly replacement printer you would recommend? Many thanks, -T The guys wife "thinks" the old one was an HP 8610. Checking Amazon, and they have two. And HP has XP drivers for it. If the prior one was indeed an 8610, it has no parallel port, so he must have been using a USB port. I have given the customer my results. Thank you all for the help! -T |
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On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 15:03:46, T wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised): [] Ya, he has himself between a rock and a hard place. He still uses floppies. I think there are still ISA USB 2 cards floating around here somewhere, but with XP drivers? I would imagine an ISA USB card would have been made in the XP era (if you're _really_ unlucky '9x, but lets hope not - '9x and USB didn't overlap well), so would have had drivers; whether the driver would still be with the card, might be more of a problem (and the manufacturer, even if still in existence, might well not have it online). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... there were parts of Roman York that appear to be more ethnically mixed than parts of modern York. - David Olusoga, RT 2016/11/5-11 |
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On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 15:16:31, T wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised): On 2020-11-25 15:12, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: But*does*he*need*color*(!)?*Also,*does*he*need*gra phics*or*just*text? YES !!!! Yes to graphics or yes to color? If only graphics, dot matrix can do. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... there were parts of Roman York that appear to be more ethnically mixed than parts of modern York. - David Olusoga, RT 2016/11/5-11 |
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Any xp friendly printers out there still?
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 15:19:06, T wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised): On 2020-11-25 11:38, T wrote: Hi All, I have a machine shop customer with an air gaped XP computer running Generic CAD.* He is running too many specialty things to upgrade the mess. Problem: his HP OJ printer quit.* He need a new color printer.* Letter size is fine. You guys know of parallel port, XP friendly replacement printer you would recommend? Many thanks, -T The guys wife "thinks" the old one was an HP 8610. Checking Amazon, and they have two. And HP has XP drivers for it. Though if it's the same model, presumably he won't need the drivers as he'll already have them. If the prior one was indeed an 8610, it has no parallel port, so he must have been using a USB port. I have given the customer my results. Thank you all for the help! -T Keep us informed - we're all hooked on the story now! (I'd say if he really needs to keep this lot going, a dot-matrix will last longer. But others here will say he really ought to start thinking about upgrading the "mess". Maybe involving VMs.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... there were parts of Roman York that appear to be more ethnically mixed than parts of modern York. - David Olusoga, RT 2016/11/5-11 |
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