Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 07/28/2014 02:14 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 7/28/2014 12:38 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:23:02 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.


I like, have, and use both--the desktop when I'm home, the tablet when
I'm traveling. But I see the possibility of that changing in the
future; as tablets and tablets apps become better and better, they
might replace desktops in my home too.

Another significant draw back to current touch pads is the lack of
memory. My hobby is my learning about my family. That means hundreds of
images of probate records, wills, etc. Currently I have 7gb of data for
that hobby a lone. My "documents" folder has over 13 gb of data.

With most tablets on the market to day can not handle this amount of
data. Data no programs. Also there are some programs I use that are
not available on tables. Such as Family Tree Maker.

Many laptops (not iPads, AFAICT) have a slot for a microSD card. I have
a 64GB card in my tablet.

But there's bad news: Google has crippled write access to external cards
in KitKat, so that if you want your data flies on one, you need to plug
the tablet (or the card) into a computer. Needless to say I'm pretty
****ed about that.



Can't find the article I read about two weeks ago so I can't post a
link. Probably if I gave it more time I could find it.
Anyway. Intel has developed new processors that have given the ability
to build laptops thinner than tablets. They plan on havig the first of
these available the last quarter of this year maybe first of next year.
Also they plan on having cordless laptops available next year. Charging
through wireless. Of course the manufacturers have to join the ride.
May solve everyone’s problems.

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:52:22 -0400, Ron wrote:

On 7/28/2014 2:14 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 7/28/2014 12:38 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:23:02 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.


I like, have, and use both--the desktop when I'm home, the tablet when
I'm traveling. But I see the possibility of that changing in the
future; as tablets and tablets apps become better and better, they
might replace desktops in my home too.

Another significant draw back to current touch pads is the lack of
memory. My hobby is my learning about my family. That means hundreds of
images of probate records, wills, etc. Currently I have 7gb of data for
that hobby a lone. My "documents" folder has over 13 gb of data.

With most tablets on the market to day can not handle this amount of
data. Data no programs. Also there are some programs I use that are
not available on tables. Such as Family Tree Maker.

Many laptops (not iPads, AFAICT) have a slot for a microSD card. I have
a 64GB card in my tablet.

I have never seen a laptop with a microSD slot.

s/laptop/tablet/

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:03:54 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

Many laptops (not iPads, AFAICT) have a slot for a microSD card. I have
a 64GB card in my tablet.

I have never seen a laptop with a microSD slot.

s/laptop/tablet/

I meant to add this: thanks for spotting my typo!

To illustrate what I was thinking: I don't think of an iPad as a laptop
:-)

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 7/28/2014 2:52 PM, Ron wrote:
On 7/28/2014 2:14 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 7/28/2014 12:38 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:23:02 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.


I like, have, and use both--the desktop when I'm home, the tablet when
I'm traveling. But I see the possibility of that changing in the
future; as tablets and tablets apps become better and better, they
might replace desktops in my home too.

Another significant draw back to current touch pads is the lack of
memory. My hobby is my learning about my family. That means hundreds of
images of probate records, wills, etc. Currently I have 7gb of data for
that hobby a lone. My "documents" folder has over 13 gb of data.

With most tablets on the market to day can not handle this amount of
data. Data no programs. Also there are some programs I use that are
not available on tables. Such as Family Tree Maker.

Many laptops (not iPads, AFAICT) have a slot for a microSD card. I have
a 64GB card in my tablet.

I have never seen a laptop with a microSD slot.

MicroSD cards can be purchased with an SDHC adapter and the Toshiba
notebook that I'm typing this on has a slot for those, so I do use my
MicroSD cards with it.
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Best regards,

Neil

On 7/28/2014 4:03 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:52:22 -0400, Ron wrote:

On 7/28/2014 2:14 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 7/28/2014 12:38 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:23:02 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.


I like, have, and use both--the desktop when I'm home, the tablet when
I'm traveling. But I see the possibility of that changing in the
future; as tablets and tablets apps become better and better, they
might replace desktops in my home too.

Another significant draw back to current touch pads is the lack of
memory. My hobby is my learning about my family. That means hundreds of
images of probate records, wills, etc. Currently I have 7gb of data for
that hobby a lone. My "documents" folder has over 13 gb of data.

With most tablets on the market to day can not handle this amount of
data. Data no programs. Also there are some programs I use that are
not available on tables. Such as Family Tree Maker.

Many laptops (not iPads, AFAICT) have a slot for a microSD card. I have
a 64GB card in my tablet.

I have never seen a laptop with a microSD slot.

s/laptop/tablet/


Huh?

On 7/28/2014 8:46 AM, PAS wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
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On 7/27/2014 12:19 PM, Zaky Waky wrote:
BillW50 wrote in :

Subject: Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
From: BillW50
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8

On 7/27/2014 6:32 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt
about
it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

While I have used tablets since around 2000, I knew virtually nothing
about Windows tablets. So I decided that I had to start learning. My
first one back in 2012 was a Windows 7 tablet. There wasn't many Windows
8 tablets yet, so I bought two of them. One I installed Windows 8.

Why wouuld anyone car about this?

Any who cares about Windows tablets of course. And a Windows desktop and a
Windows tablet are the same. Same OS, applications, keyboards, mice, etc.

If you're speaking of the current crop of Windows tablets, there is a
difference. Some run Windows RT which is not the same as a "regular"
version of Windows.


RT is a subset of full Win8, and most of the limitations will be related
to applications, not mice, keyboards, etc. Even then, users that find
the RT adequate will not find themselves restricted w/r/t their
desktops. The current thrust at MS is to make the development of apps
that can run on all of their devices easier, and to that end, Win8.x is
a big step in the right direction.
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Best regards,

Neil

On 7/28/2014 4:07 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:03:54 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

Many laptops (not iPads, AFAICT) have a slot for a microSD card. I have
a 64GB card in my tablet.

I have never seen a laptop with a microSD slot.

s/laptop/tablet/

I meant to add this: thanks for spotting my typo!

To illustrate what I was thinking: I don't think of an iPad as a laptop
:-)


What typo? I still don't know what you are talking about. lol

Did you mean tablet and not laptop?

On 7/28/2014 1:51 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2014-07-28 12:47 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/28/2014 12:38 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:23:02 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.


I like, have, and use both--the desktop when I'm home, the tablet when
I'm traveling. But I see the possibility of that changing in the
future; as tablets and tablets apps become better and better, they
might replace desktops in my home too.

Another significant draw back to current touch pads is the lack of
memory. My hobby is my learning about my family. That means hundreds of
images of probate records, wills, etc. Currently I have 7gb of data for
that hobby a lone. My "documents" folder has over 13 gb of data.

With most tablets on the market to day can not handle this amount of
data. Data no programs. Also there are some programs I use that are
not available on tables. Such as Family Tree Maker.

Use an external drive via Bluetooth or wi-fi. If the tablet has a USB
port, use it to connect a (powered) hub and connect the external drive,
USB stick, or card reader for extra memory.

See my post on Surface tablets for more.


Question: What is the advantage of having a tablet that is about the
same size, an external drive, and the other items that you mentioned
when that is all in my laptop. My laptop has a 500gb disk and 4gb ram.
and occupies a space of about 15 X 10 x 1.5 inches.

In the last episode of ,
Stephen Wolstenholme said:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:32:24 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll
get back on track.

They're nearly the same so why try to split them? What MS should be
doing is making them even more alike.

Ironically Windows 8.1u1 does a very very good job of this, but it gets
lumped into the people that tried Windows 8, weren't smart enough to
figure it out and throw tantrums.

Luckily for Microsoft, this means they've fleshed out the issues and
Windows 9 will likely be a hit since it reboots people's expectations,
and people who haven't tried 8 since 8.0 RTM will compare their memory
with Windows 9, find it's usable and be happy.

That being said, Windows 8 did sacrifice a lot of what people expected
out of the desktop for the sake of trying to force people to try the
Modern UI, without having a complete experience on the Modern UI, and it
just didn't work unless you were on a touch screen. But as I said, 8.1u1
has smoothed over these rough edges and is very usable even on a
keyboard+mouse driven desktop environment.

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If you cannot convince them, confuse them.

In the last episode of , BillW50
said:

You are mistaken about a tablet just doesn't cut it. This is a tablet
and it does everything that my laptops does. And my laptops does the
same as desktops does. This tablet resolution is 1440x1080 with a 12.1
inch screen. That is a lot of resolution on a smaller screen. And just
like a desktop, I can plug in a external monitor too. There are no
difference between Windows tablets and Windows desktops, unless you buy
one of those toy tablets. But you can buy a toy desktop too.

I just picked up a Surface Pro 3, it's rather amazing. I was just
expecting it to be a ultra-thin laptop, I had no idea how much I'd enjoy
the touch screen and stylus.

It will definitely be completely replacing my laptop for business and
pleasure. Upgradablity is a factor, but it's a problem for all but
memory and storage on laptops too, and I'm quite content with a 2-3 year
replacement cycle for laptops, doing so for a Surface seems reasonable
as well.

But I wouldn't bother without a keyboard and mouse (or at least the
touchpad on the Type Cover)

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If you cannot convince them, confuse them.

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:44:58 -0400, Ron wrote:

On 7/28/2014 4:07 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:03:54 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

Many laptops (not iPads, AFAICT) have a slot for a microSD card. I have
a 64GB card in my tablet.

I have never seen a laptop with a microSD slot.

s/laptop/tablet/

I meant to add this: thanks for spotting my typo!

To illustrate what I was thinking: I don't think of an iPad as a laptop
:-)


What typo? I still don't know what you are talking about. lol

Did you mean tablet and not laptop?

"s/laptop/tablet" means "replace 'laptop' by 'tablet'"

That editing syntax goes back to early Unix days, but it's probably still used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_%28text_editor%29

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 7/28/2014 11:46 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:44:58 -0400, Ron wrote:

On 7/28/2014 4:07 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:03:54 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

Many laptops (not iPads, AFAICT) have a slot for a microSD card. I have
a 64GB card in my tablet.

I have never seen a laptop with a microSD slot.

s/laptop/tablet/

I meant to add this: thanks for spotting my typo!

To illustrate what I was thinking: I don't think of an iPad as a laptop
:-)


What typo? I still don't know what you are talking about. lol

Did you mean tablet and not laptop?

"s/laptop/tablet" means "replace 'laptop' by 'tablet'"

That editing syntax goes back to early Unix days, but it's probably still used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_%28text_editor%29


Never heard of it, but thanks for clearing it up.

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:57:19 -0400, Ron wrote:

On 7/28/2014 11:46 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:44:58 -0400, Ron wrote:

On 7/28/2014 4:07 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:03:54 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

Many laptops (not iPads, AFAICT) have a slot for a microSD card. I have
a 64GB card in my tablet.

I have never seen a laptop with a microSD slot.

s/laptop/tablet/

I meant to add this: thanks for spotting my typo!

To illustrate what I was thinking: I don't think of an iPad as a laptop
:-)


What typo? I still don't know what you are talking about. lol

Did you mean tablet and not laptop?

"s/laptop/tablet" means "replace 'laptop' by 'tablet'"

That editing syntax goes back to early Unix days, but it's probably still used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_%28text_editor%29


Never heard of it, but thanks for clearing it up.

It goes back to the days of real men (and women) and real operating
systems: totally command line :-)

I just made that up, sort of inspired by an old Navy slogan, "back in
the days of wooden ships and iron men" (or maybe I got that reversed - I
forget).

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:28:03 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

It goes back to the days of real men (and women) and real operating
systems: totally command line :-)

'Command line' is so modern. You mean the switch panels are no longer
needed!

Steve

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Alias wrote:
. . .winston wrote:
Alias wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:

The market would become overflowing with competing
versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers,
who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell
outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in
and bring them to order.

At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt
about
it.

Not true. They are a fad an low Ipad sales prove it.

Yep, only 200 million sold since introduction as of 2014 Q1.


But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.

And never underestimate the impact that Asia's consumers, as
infrastructure improves, will have on the long term direction.



It will be used like a laptop by connecting a keyboard and a mouse along
with a monitor that's big enough to actually get some work done. For
watching cats and dogs, tablets are great all by themselves but for real
work, not so much. And, very importantly, if you want to upgrade, you
will have to buy a new one, not a new hard drive, video card, power
supply, etc. Ya know, like Detroit did in the 70s with cars: made to
last until your payments are up. You saw what Japan did to Detroit for
that little trip.


The evolution has already started, tablets and other smart devices will
continue to replace desktops in all markets.

Doesn't matter how it' used...docking port, attachable devices...the
smaller scale factor comes with portability and increasingly necessary
for all (consumer, smb, and enterprise).



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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps