Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 9:33 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 7:38 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Jonas Klein wrote:

In the long run I'll have to use MS Office 2016, MS Office 2020 or
whatever it will be called. What I read so far scares me. For
instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2016 and especially
"Features include: built-in cloud access to create, open, edit, and
save
files in the cloud straight from the desktop, ..."

Office 2013 and later does have a more 'cloud centric' approach than
Windows 8 or 10.

The cloud direction was pretty much evident as MSFT's intent way
back in
2008 when Windows Live Essentials was released which had cross
application integration (Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Photo Email, Instant
Messaging, PhotoGallery) which used Microsoft's server and also the
user's MSFT/Live account's OneDrive/SkyDrive/My Spaces cloud storage as
a repository for the features cross integration and functionality.

Most folks completely misunderstood WLE thinking it was only
supposed to
be a replacement for XP Era Outlook Express and Windows Messenger.
While
it met that intent to a certain extent, it provided on more benefit for
MSFT by being focused on the 300,000,000 million Hotmail and Messenger
user base. By targeting that group it also provided MSFT with telemetry
on how that population used those applications and shared
content(pictures and files) in a cloud environment. Any statistician
would easily understand the benefit of having a sample size of that
volume and the implications for the the probability and predictability
of a much larger group of people (in this case data on 300 million is
more than enough to generate usage pattern and adoption with reasonable
confidence and known error for the normal distribution of the total
Windows population.

Office 2007/10 came into play just a shade later since it provided two
cloud centric options - the ability to pull Contact and Calendar data
via that same MSFT/Live account for Hotmail and Messenger and a short
time later 'connector's for social media (e.g. Facebook). Second, MSFT
also had a feature available for MSFT/Live accounts called Office
Online
which eventually migrated data storage to SkyDrive (now called
OneDrive).

As you should be able to see that MSFT's direction for cloud based user
storage was almost a given well before Windows 8 and Office 2013 (each
of which provided some of the same and more cloud integration) arrived.

Windows10 and Office 2016 are just another step in that same evolution
but that does not mean user lose all control, but they will have to dig
a bit deeper to understand how to control how and what they wish or
need
to do to manage their own and customer's concerns and needs. It's not
all the doom and gloom that some will claim but it does bear more
ownership of the product(s) use.

All of this sounds great, in a perfect world. But that's not what we
live in.

If you use cloud apps and storage, if your internet connection goes
down, you're screwed. Plain and simple.

And the US has a very aging and deteriorating infrastructure, that in
many places struggles under the load. Not to mention the vagaries of
mother nature and the threat of terrorist types and hackers. Essentially
you're putting your data into someone else's hands, taking no
responsibility yourself for the safety of your data.

Personally, I don't trust any large company that has a vested interest
in how you use your computer to be 100% trustworthy in respecting your
rights as the owner of the property. Wasn't it Instagram that was
recently caught claiming ownership of photos uploaded to their servers?



Fortunately, at this stage...we still have some level of control over
what we decide is worthy of cloud storage. I don't see that as changing
soon since their is too much negative perception...that same perception
doesn't always provide the whole picture on benefit or disadvantage.

True, but how does this or Neil's comment contradict my statement?

Not sure if it was Instagram or another provider. It doesn't much
matter - though the important piece of any cloud pie is that use of for
the most part agrees to the TOS and Privacy guidelines for those
services...and since most don't read those use and agreement is
universal - complaining about what one agrees to is like arguing with
your mother about agreeing to take out the trash. You can complain but
you still do it.



You expected a contradiction ?

As far as Neil's comment you have to ask him he replied 3hrs later than
I replied to you.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

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|
| Check your software, no JavaScript, no ads.
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I think you may have misunderstood. The page is
almost entirely javascript. I don't see how you
could be viewing the image if you have script
disabled.

Looking at the source code of the page, there
are only two types of IMG tag. The only one with
a SRC attribute, meaning it might be visible without
script, is "invis.gif". Several PNGs with names
including "blueman", presumably page layout images,
have no SRC attribute, so they'd require script to
be shown. There are no other IMG tags, so it seems
the image *must* be loaded va script. The script in
the page does create at least one iframe "on the
fly". The image may be there. In any case, it's
not there with script disabled, and it's not worth
trying to figure it out. The script is heavily obfuscated
to hide its operation and URLs.

Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 8:54 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-04 8:59 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-03 9:44 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston
escribió:

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to
default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created
files
to one's machine or the cloud.

Are you being deliberately dense?

People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write
their
apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the
cloud by
default, rather than locally.

Does that make more sense?

I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option.

You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a result.
When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that it's
just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of the
fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport
within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud.

I like it myself, but I have to admit that I encrypt my documents to
prevent theft.

What's OneCloud? ;-)

When my sis-in-law got her new Win8 machine, she emailed links to her
pictures stored in OneCloud, a PITA to retrieve. She's gone back to
proper attachments.



Have a good day,

OneDrive provides the option to send a link for sharing. If done
properly the recipient has to do nothing but click the link. Options to
view or save the files will be present.

e.g.
http://1drv.ms/1H4o1N2

Clicking the above link will open the destination in a browser window
for viewing and option (upper left) to download the picture.
- this is just a simple example of a single pic but the same can be done
for an entire folder of pictures (for view and/or download).

I don't use OneDrive, but a friend of mine does. She sometimes sends
photo links to me in Skype, and when I click on the link, I'm invariably
asked to sign in with my Skype password, even though I'm already signed in.

Where do point her to read the correct instructions so I can open a link
the way your link does?



You sure about that. OneDrive doesn't require a Skype password to access.

Fyi...if she uses OneDrive and obtains those links from One Drive she
has only two options
- send a link via email using her OneDrive account which means Skype
is not in the sending equation
- share the file, obtain a link and provide it to you in any form
(email, IM, sticky note, whatever)

http://1drv.ms/1FY6zb4
- does this OneDrive picture require your Skype account password to view.






--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 18:51:49 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/4/15 1:20 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 10:12:37 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

I've never used Office. Tried it a few times, most recently when I had
to edit a document for a local club about three years ago. It's awful.
Main failing: no Reveal Codes, so I couldn't edit the messed up
formatting left behind by the originator of the document, who had never
mastered Word. I ended up Saving As plain text and reformatting the
whole thing WordPerfect. Piece of cake compared to Word.

I take a slightly different approach, and as a result, I don't miss WP's
reveal codes feature a bit. Instead of fixing bad formatting, I simply apply
the formatting that I want. It's very fast and easy that way, although
purists might wonder what lies beneath the surface. For me, I'm more
interested in what the final product looks like.

Just curious, Char, does the editing you did in a doc always "stick"
when you pass it on down the line?

Yes, as far as I know. That would be weird if it didn't.

On 6/4/15 9:20 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 9:33 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 7:38 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Jonas Klein wrote:

In the long run I'll have to use MS Office 2016, MS Office 2020 or
whatever it will be called. What I read so far scares me. For
instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2016 and especially
"Features include: built-in cloud access to create, open, edit, and
save
files in the cloud straight from the desktop, ..."

Office 2013 and later does have a more 'cloud centric' approach than
Windows 8 or 10.

The cloud direction was pretty much evident as MSFT's intent way
back in
2008 when Windows Live Essentials was released which had cross
application integration (Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Photo Email, Instant
Messaging, PhotoGallery) which used Microsoft's server and also the
user's MSFT/Live account's OneDrive/SkyDrive/My Spaces cloud storage as
a repository for the features cross integration and functionality.

Most folks completely misunderstood WLE thinking it was only
supposed to
be a replacement for XP Era Outlook Express and Windows Messenger.
While
it met that intent to a certain extent, it provided on more benefit for
MSFT by being focused on the 300,000,000 million Hotmail and Messenger
user base. By targeting that group it also provided MSFT with telemetry
on how that population used those applications and shared
content(pictures and files) in a cloud environment. Any statistician
would easily understand the benefit of having a sample size of that
volume and the implications for the the probability and predictability
of a much larger group of people (in this case data on 300 million is
more than enough to generate usage pattern and adoption with reasonable
confidence and known error for the normal distribution of the total
Windows population.

Office 2007/10 came into play just a shade later since it provided two
cloud centric options - the ability to pull Contact and Calendar data
via that same MSFT/Live account for Hotmail and Messenger and a short
time later 'connector's for social media (e.g. Facebook). Second, MSFT
also had a feature available for MSFT/Live accounts called Office
Online
which eventually migrated data storage to SkyDrive (now called
OneDrive).

As you should be able to see that MSFT's direction for cloud based user
storage was almost a given well before Windows 8 and Office 2013 (each
of which provided some of the same and more cloud integration) arrived.

Windows10 and Office 2016 are just another step in that same evolution
but that does not mean user lose all control, but they will have to dig
a bit deeper to understand how to control how and what they wish or
need
to do to manage their own and customer's concerns and needs. It's not
all the doom and gloom that some will claim but it does bear more
ownership of the product(s) use.

All of this sounds great, in a perfect world. But that's not what we
live in.

If you use cloud apps and storage, if your internet connection goes
down, you're screwed. Plain and simple.

And the US has a very aging and deteriorating infrastructure, that in
many places struggles under the load. Not to mention the vagaries of
mother nature and the threat of terrorist types and hackers. Essentially
you're putting your data into someone else's hands, taking no
responsibility yourself for the safety of your data.

Personally, I don't trust any large company that has a vested interest
in how you use your computer to be 100% trustworthy in respecting your
rights as the owner of the property. Wasn't it Instagram that was
recently caught claiming ownership of photos uploaded to their servers?



Fortunately, at this stage...we still have some level of control over
what we decide is worthy of cloud storage. I don't see that as changing
soon since their is too much negative perception...that same perception
doesn't always provide the whole picture on benefit or disadvantage.

True, but how does this or Neil's comment contradict my statement?

Not sure if it was Instagram or another provider. It doesn't much
matter - though the important piece of any cloud pie is that use of for
the most part agrees to the TOS and Privacy guidelines for those
services...and since most don't read those use and agreement is
universal - complaining about what one agrees to is like arguing with
your mother about agreeing to take out the trash. You can complain but
you still do it.



You expected a contradiction ?

Didn't expect one, but I took your reply as trying to be one. My bad,
my apologies.

As far as Neil's comment you have to ask him he replied 3hrs later than
I replied to you.





--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 6/4/15 9:42 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 8:54 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-04 8:59 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-03 9:44 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston
escribió:

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to
default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created
files
to one's machine or the cloud.

Are you being deliberately dense?

People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write
their
apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the
cloud by
default, rather than locally.

Does that make more sense?

I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option.

You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a result.
When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that it's
just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of the
fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport
within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud.

I like it myself, but I have to admit that I encrypt my documents to
prevent theft.

What's OneCloud? ;-)

When my sis-in-law got her new Win8 machine, she emailed links to her
pictures stored in OneCloud, a PITA to retrieve. She's gone back to
proper attachments.



Have a good day,

OneDrive provides the option to send a link for sharing. If done
properly the recipient has to do nothing but click the link. Options to
view or save the files will be present.

e.g.
http://1drv.ms/1H4o1N2

Clicking the above link will open the destination in a browser window
for viewing and option (upper left) to download the picture.
- this is just a simple example of a single pic but the same can be done
for an entire folder of pictures (for view and/or download).

I don't use OneDrive, but a friend of mine does. She sometimes sends
photo links to me in Skype, and when I click on the link, I'm invariably
asked to sign in with my Skype password, even though I'm already signed in.

Where do point her to read the correct instructions so I can open a link
the way your link does?



You sure about that. OneDrive doesn't require a Skype password to access.

As sure as "God didn't make the little green apples, and it don't rain
in Indianapolis in the summer time." LOL

After it happened the 2nd time, we quit doing it. From the screen, I
know I was signing into something MS related, and it asked for my Skype
password.

Since we don't do this anymore, it's not that important. But if you're
curious, we can do an experiment, and keep track of what we do, and let
you know.

Fyi...if she uses OneDrive and obtains those links from One Drive she
has only two options
- send a link via email using her OneDrive account which means Skype
is not in the sending equation
- share the file, obtain a link and provide it to you in any form
(email, IM, sticky note, whatever)

http://1drv.ms/1FY6zb4
- does this OneDrive picture require your Skype account password to view.

That's a helluva fire!!!! But this test isn't valid, as I get the link
via text inside Skype.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 21:47:46 -0400, Neil wrote:

On 6/4/2015 6:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:43:50 -0400, Neil wrote:

On 6/4/2015 2:37 PM, Char Jackson wrote:

As you've done in multiple other posts, you've got the cart before the
horse. The first step should be to educate oneself about Win 10 and what it
brings to the table. That doesn't have to be done now; it can be done in
bits during the coming year. If, and only if, there's something compelling
in Win 10 then that's the time to worry about 'system readiness'. This bit
of education is by far the most important step, but you consistently skip
over it and jump right to 'readiness'.

I would agree with you if this was 2005, but many things have changed
since then. Perhaps the most significant is that most people are not
likely to be able to educate themselves about what a new OS brings to
the table. snip

I'm not sure I understand that perspective, and the snipped text didn't help
me to see what you were getting at.

What I was getting at is contained in your paragraph. You suggest that
it's possible to educate oneself about what a new OS brings to the
table, and I'm saying that it's not as easy as it was for a couple of
decades of doing the same kind of work in the same kind of way. We're in
the beginning stages of a new work model. A short few years ago, we
collaborated with others around the world in relatively inefficient ways
compared to what is becoming possible, due in no small part to such
things as unified OS and apps across devices, cloud services and so on.
To know what a new OS "brings to the table" requires a pretty deep
understanding of the underlying technology, and I don't see that depth
in very many places or from otherwise knowledgeable users.

If anything, it's probably easier than ever to gather information, if one so
chooses. Win 10 articles are trickling out from various sources, and soon
there will be a flood of them, just like we've seen with every other new
Windows release. The pundits will hash and rehash the good and the bad,
which in its raw form may be too much for some people to digest, but over
time things will rise to the surface where they can be easily picked over.
Along with that, there are the Tech Previews for anyone who cares enough to
get a firsthand look, although I suspect most people will simply go with the
flow.

If anything, the huge number of sources of information are more
confusing than helpful.

Too much info is far preferable to not enough. If it's overwhelming to you,
choose a few sources that you personally trust. Simple.


Based on the number of posts over the last year from otherwise
knowledgeable folks, I'd say that few of them can evaluate the
compatibility of a new OS by reading the specs or looking at screen
shots.

Those are never good ways to evaluate an OS.

Depends on the individual, but I agree that it's seldom a useful
investment of one's time.

For those who can and do make use of the "new" OS functionality
and are not near the end of their time as a computer user, there is a
need for some way of evaluating what they own with what is coming next
to know how to plan their expenditures.

Thanks. We're in agreement.

I'm not so sure. The "get Windows 10" tool that is the topic of this
thread is one of very few ways that one can "evaluate what they own with
what is coming next", and is probably the only way for those not deeply
involved in the technology.

How so? In what way does a readiness check help to educate a consumer about
the differences between what he/she has versus what's in the next release?
That's right, it doesn't. To be fair, that's not it's purpose, so let's not
kid ourselves and push people to run a readiness check when what we really
should be doing is evaluating the new OS.

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 23:03:16 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 20:34:10 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

A good reason (if using Win7SP1 or Win8.1) to install KB 3035583,
Reserve Win10 which will run a system readiness check. Once they have
that information available, they can then, and only then make a better
informed decision...i.e. folks have to ensure their existing system
doesn't create issues (software, driver, graphic, network adapter etc.
issues) before even considering or pondering what possible advantages or
disadvantages Win10 brings to the table.

Then, and only then? :-) No, of course not. Long before that, there's an
entire thought process that needs to take place to determine whether a
person wants to upgrade. You've skipped over that step entirely, and not
just above but in multiple posts. I know you know better. This is one of the
reasons why some people are questioning your advice. It simply doesn't make
sense.

Imo, one should take a methodical approach to upgrading any o/s - have a
backup plan for the existing, understand if the system current hardware
and software set will or will not create issues, then and only then
deal/learn what Win10 does or does not bring to the table.

I believe you have that exactly backwards. Your last step should have been
the first step.


A backup plan should be the first task for any system before even
considering any change in o/s thus it would be the first step for any
user. Protect you own before considering or introducing something new.

Close, but no. The need for a backup plan stands on its own, irrespective of
any plans to do an OS upgrade, but within the confines of a major planned
upgrade like this, implementing a backup plan comes after making the
decision to upgrade, not before.

En el artículo , . . .winston
escribió:

Let me know when you take advantage of the free offer. I don't believe
you have the hutzbah to discount that offer and pay for it later.

Which is EXACTLY the attitude that M$ is counting on to build a large
installed base of Win10. Let the sheeple stampede to download and
install Win10 because it's FREEEEE!!1!

The sting in the tail will come later, as there is no such thing as a
free lunch.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 23:11:23 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:


If I change my mind and decide to do the upgrade to 10, it won't be because
it's free, (nothing is free). There would have to be some value before I
take that step. I don't completely rule it out, but so far I'm not seeing
any value to me. If you can think of anything, please post about it and I'll
consider it.


Let me know when you take advantage of the free offer. I don't believe
you have the hutzbah to discount that offer and pay for it later.

I currently have no plans to allow myself to be taken advantage of by that
offer, but I'll try to let you know if that changes. Who knows, maybe
something interesting will be included in Win 10. There's no sign of it yet,
but never say never.

I very happily skipped Win ME and Vista, and I would have skipped Win 8 if
it hadn't come with a new laptop at a time when I was too busy to downgrade
it, so I'm very comfortable skipping a release that doesn't offer anything
interesting.

Neil wrote:


I'm not so sure. The "get Windows 10" tool that is the topic of this
thread is one of very few ways that one can "evaluate what they own with
what is coming next", and is probably the only way for those not deeply
involved in the technology.


+1

There's another piece of this 'Get Windows 10' app that I've not
introduced solely because I wanted to first ensure folks understood its
'system readiness check' purpose beyond what other's claim the app
presence as 'nag' ware.

Not only does this Windows update tool provide (after reservation) a
current system Win10 readiness check it also has other benefits when it
reports device issues. Integration with Windows Update and the ability
to offer optional updated drivers.

Now, imo, it's not been a good idea to use Windows Update for drivers
and the preferred route is to obtain directly from the manufacturer's
site...and that has been long standing good advice but it would be
unreasonable to expect that every possible Win7Sp1/Win8.1 user will
follow the manufacturer path (nor would it be possible to even
considering counseling that same population to obtain drivers from the
manufacturer).

Bottom line, the app is the Upgrade Assistant/Advisor and capable of
measuring readiness of the current state and again in the future after
devices have been updated with later drivers.

Microsoft has covered a bit more ground with this tool than previous
Upgrade Assistants which was a stand-alone point in time, capable of
running but not necessarily feedback results.

What MSFT should have done, and its been suggested, is for the tool to
be improved to provide more 'in-tool' information about need for updated
drivers and if done re-releasing the KB with those improvements giving
users a better chance of making an more thorough informed decisions.

We also seen some reports of the tool reporting multiple device issue
(e.g. Bluetooth, Graphics) where updating of the graphic driver resulted
in rectifying both issues.

It also would not be surprising that other Windows Update offerings
(non-driver but compatibility and reliability) will be released to
improve an existing system's readiness and subsequent 'Good to Go' for
Win10 acknowledgement in the 'Get Windows 10' app.

Folks around here will elaborate about this or that update isn't needed,
its invasive, etc..but for those considering moving to Win10 listening
to that advice could very well be the wrong thing to do.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 9:42 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 8:54 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-04 8:59 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-03 9:44 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston
escribió:

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to
default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created
files
to one's machine or the cloud.

Are you being deliberately dense?

People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write
their
apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the
cloud by
default, rather than locally.

Does that make more sense?

I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option.

You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a result.
When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that it's
just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of the
fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport
within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud.

I like it myself, but I have to admit that I encrypt my documents to
prevent theft.

What's OneCloud? ;-)

When my sis-in-law got her new Win8 machine, she emailed links to her
pictures stored in OneCloud, a PITA to retrieve. She's gone back to
proper attachments.



Have a good day,

OneDrive provides the option to send a link for sharing. If done
properly the recipient has to do nothing but click the link. Options to
view or save the files will be present.

e.g.
http://1drv.ms/1H4o1N2

Clicking the above link will open the destination in a browser window
for viewing and option (upper left) to download the picture.
- this is just a simple example of a single pic but the same can be
done
for an entire folder of pictures (for view and/or download).

I don't use OneDrive, but a friend of mine does. She sometimes sends
photo links to me in Skype, and when I click on the link, I'm invariably
asked to sign in with my Skype password, even though I'm already
signed in.

Where do point her to read the correct instructions so I can open a link
the way your link does?



You sure about that. OneDrive doesn't require a Skype password to access.

As sure as "God didn't make the little green apples, and it don't rain
in Indianapolis in the summer time." LOL

After it happened the 2nd time, we quit doing it. From the screen, I
know I was signing into something MS related, and it asked for my Skype
password.

Since we don't do this anymore, it's not that important. But if you're
curious, we can do an experiment, and keep track of what we do, and let
you know.

Fyi...if she uses OneDrive and obtains those links from One Drive she
has only two options
- send a link via email using her OneDrive account which means Skype
is not in the sending equation
- share the file, obtain a link and provide it to you in any form
(email, IM, sticky note, whatever)

http://1drv.ms/1FY6zb4
- does this OneDrive picture require your Skype account password to
view.

That's a helluva fire!!!! But this test isn't valid, as I get the link
via text inside Skype.


I sent the link via Skype to another Skype contact before posting it
here. They didn't have to provide anything to view the picture and they
don't have use OneDrive or have MSFT Account (which provides them
OneDrive access)


It is a amazing fire...I just want to know who took the picture or even
painted the picture. Pretty Amazing

Next time you Skype with someone send them the link in an email or a
Skype conversation, have then skype it back to you and click on
it...I'll leave it shared for a month so you've time to test it or until
you report back your results.





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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 00:58:07 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

There's another piece of this 'Get Windows 10' app that I've not
introduced solely because I wanted to first ensure folks understood its
'system readiness check' purpose beyond what other's claim the app
presence as 'nag' ware.

Not only does this Windows update tool provide (after reservation) a
current system Win10 readiness check it also has other benefits when it
reports device issues. Integration with Windows Update and the ability
to offer optional updated drivers.

Thanks, that's good to know. Unfortunately, it adds another nail to the
coffin.

Folks around here will elaborate about this or that update isn't needed,
its invasive, etc..but for those considering moving to Win10 listening
to that advice could very well be the wrong thing to do.

I realize that you have to say that.

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Char Jackson

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 23:11:23 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:


If I change my mind and decide to do the upgrade to 10, it won't be because
it's free, (nothing is free). There would have to be some value before I
take that step. I don't completely rule it out, but so far I'm not seeing
any value to me. If you can think of anything, please post about it and I'll
consider it.


Let me know when you take advantage of the free offer. I don't believe
you have the hutzbah to discount that offer and pay for it later.

I currently have no plans to allow myself to be taken advantage of by that
offer, but I'll try to let you know if that changes. Who knows, maybe
something interesting will be included in Win 10. There's no sign of it yet,
but never say never.

I very happily skipped Win ME and Vista, and I would have skipped Win 8 if
it hadn't come with a new laptop at a time when I was too busy to downgrade
it, so I'm very comfortable skipping a release that doesn't offer anything
interesting.




ME lasted less than a week and that was only because I was out of town
for the weekend. Installed on Thursday, removed/formatted on the
following Tuesday. Restored a 98SE Acronis Image (or maybe it was Ghost
image) made before installing ME.

Vista was OK for me, even on an 2003 era XP system. It worked fine for
my use but it's snail method of transferring any file larger than a few
hundred MB to any device (USB, Firewire, stick, external, internal drive
was pita). I did not like Vista's Windows Mail preferring Outlook and
imo, even Windows Live Mail provided a better experience for me for
Hotmail and Live accounts than Vista's Windows Mail....which reminds me,
I've spare early Sata drive laying around here somewhere with Vista
(just o/s stripped of software save one or two outdated utilities)
collecting dust that can be wiped, donated or recycled.


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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 00:58:07 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

There's another piece of this 'Get Windows 10' app that I've not
introduced solely because I wanted to first ensure folks understood its
'system readiness check' purpose beyond what other's claim the app
presence as 'nag' ware.

Not only does this Windows update tool provide (after reservation) a
current system Win10 readiness check it also has other benefits when it
reports device issues. Integration with Windows Update and the ability
to offer optional updated drivers.

Thanks, that's good to know. Unfortunately, it adds another nail to the
coffin.

Folks around here will elaborate about this or that update isn't needed,
its invasive, etc..but for those considering moving to Win10 listening
to that advice could very well be the wrong thing to do.

I realize that you have to say that.




It's true. There have been plenty of people stopping by this group
sincerely asking for information and receiving 'what they shouldn't do'
replies' not necessarily in the best interest of the questioner.


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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps