Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

the ipad is not 'a storage device'.

Of course it is. If it didn't store data, it would be almost useless.

ok, i can see you just want to argue, but i'll play along for a little
bit.

a hard drive and usb stick are storage devices.

nobody buys an ipad to be a storage device. that would be foolish.

an ipad is a mobile computer, which does happen to include storage, but
that doesn't make it a storage device.

a desktop computer also includes storage, so are you now going to claim
your desktop pc is 'a big hard drive' ?

it's a mobile computer.

So what? My Samsung G5 is a mobile computer.

yep.

at least you got one right.

So's my car.

not by any normal definition of computer, it isn't.

by your definition, a car would be a storage device since it has a
trunk to store luggage, groceries, golf clubs, dead bodies and all
sorts of other stuff. it also has a fuel tank to store fuel.

in many cars, there is more storage space than there is space for the
engine.

So are our
digital cameras, albeit highly specialised ones. Etc. There are so many
devices these days that there's no point trying to enumerate them all.

yep, there is no point. you're just trying to argue.

Point is, the iPad has storage on it. So from the POV of any connected
device, it's just storage.

and since the windows pc has storage on it, from the pov of the ipad,
it's just storage, which the ipad can see, using any of a variety of
protocols, without any issue whatsoever.

so much for that argument.

next time, try to think things through a little better.

I can connect miscellaneous devices to my
Windows computers. Then I can see the storage on those devices, can read
whatever files are in there, and write to those devices, too (though
it's kinda pointless to write files to a camera). Can I do that with an
iPad? Apparently not.

then you haven't been paying attention.

that works *without* *any* *issue*.

Some members of my family have iPads/iPhones,
occasionally they email me pictures that they've taken. I've had no
reason try a USB cable connection (sorry, NY and Frank, if I gave a
misleading implication), but I can imagine a few scenarios where it
might be expedient.

yep, there are situations where usb cable is a good choice to transfer
photos from an ipad to a computer, and had you been paying any
attention, you'd know that it works perfectly fine.

there are *also* situations where a usb cable is *not* a good choice,
and had you been paying attention, you know that there are numerous
alternatives for those situations.

why are you forcing your own personal preference for a usb cable on
others, without even knowing what the scenario actually is?

Oh, about the car: my bad. It's actually a mobile network.

nope. it's actually a car, which may or may not contain one or more
computers, which may or may not be connected via a network.

older vehicles do not have any computers at all. zero.

starting around the 1980s or so (it doesn't matter exactly when), many
cars had an ecu (what you are calling a computer) but they did not have
obd/canbus, therefore no network.

obd officially appeared in '96 (although a few vehicles had it earlier).

On 15 Aug 2018 13:41:02 GMT, Alan Baker wrote:

The first of those screenshots clearly shows the cell tower ID.

I realize facts are anathema to you Apple Apologists, so I will simply ask
reasonable adults to look here which explains why that screenshot from
nospam is a deliberate farce.

It's a fact current iOS devices can't even report the correct cell tower ID
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/2F_24NrIU3Q/t7_jS4zyAgAJ

Bear in mind, there's a huge difference between guessing at a cell tower ID
(generally based on a flawed Internet lookup based on geolocation
statistics of reported tower locations) and *directly* obtaining the
"correct" cell tower ID (especially when, in the case of femtocells, where
the cell tower ID won't be found in the numerous Internet lookup
databases).

See also:
Is there a reason (what is the reason) Apple iOS won't let users get the cell tower ID?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ne/1QKD-6c06_w[201-225]

Which app do you use to scan/debug GSM/CDMA cellular tower signal strength?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/LizlMNsu49Q/oQJXKyX-CAAJ

In article , Arlen Holder
wrote:


The first of those screenshots clearly shows the cell tower ID.

I realize facts are anathema to you Apple Apologists, so I will simply ask
reasonable adults to look here which explains why that screenshot from
nospam is a deliberate farce.

*you* are a deliberate farce.

It's a fact current iOS devices can't even report the correct cell tower ID

it's a fact they can, and do.

it's also a fact that you are a troll, a very stupid one.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc...rIU3Q/t7_jS4zy
AgAJ

linking to a thread where you spew the same bull**** under one of your
alternate nyms is not proof of anything.

Bear in mind, there's a huge difference between guessing at a cell tower ID
(generally based on a flawed Internet lookup based on geolocation
statistics of reported tower locations) and *directly* obtaining the
"correct" cell tower ID (especially when, in the case of femtocells, where
the cell tower ID won't be found in the numerous Internet lookup
databases).

bear in mind, you're full of ****.

it gets the tower id from the tower itself.

there is no internet lookup.

http://www.iphoneforums.net/attachme...d-bfdf-514132f
522f6-png.37469/

On 15 Aug 2018 20:40:22 GMT, nospam wrote:

it's a fact that you're full of ****.

You don't even realize you're referencing a picture from *my own thread*
from Oct 26, 2017 for heaven's sake!
Does iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtocell unique cell id numbers & tower freqs

The guy who kindly posted those screenshots, at my repeated request, didn't
even know what they show - as the question was always to show the specific
*unique* cell tower ID of the *femtocells* for troubleshooting purposes.

I also asked the same question at the same time on Tom's Hardware, but
nobody knew the answer to the same femtocell question over there either.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id...wer-freqs.html

On 15 Aug 2018 21:27:03 GMT, nospam wrote:

bear in mind, you're full of ****.

Bear in mind you're repeating screenshots from *my own thread* for heaven's
sake ... where the guy who posted them didn't know what they showed and
where the question was clearly about obtaining the unique femtocell cell
tower ids.

Oct 26, 2017
Does iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtocell unique cell id numbers & tower freqs

On 15 Aug 2018 14:24:10 GMT, nospam wrote:

it shows the claimed functionality.

You're repeating screenshots from *my own thread* for heaven's sake ...
where the guy who posted them didn't know what they showed and where the
question was clearly about obtaining the unique femtocell cell tower ids
and actual tower frequencies.

Oct 26, 2017
Does iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtocell unique cell id numbers & tower freqs

On 15 Aug 2018 20:40:25 GMT, nospam wrote:

as i've said before, there is smb, sftp, webdav and many others, and
that isn't even a complete list.

Hehhehheh ... you guys can try to get your data ... but the fact is nothing
is as simple, fast, or effective for large amounts of data, over USB.

For example, renting your data off the cloud is, to you, viable.
Or using iMessage to send hundreds of movies is, to you, viable.
Using AirDrop won't even work in the real world (which is "not supported").
Email? You've got to be kidding.

And, for the astoundingly hilarious suggestion of an FTP server, that works
fine for Android - but anyone who suggests it for iOS has no concept of
what they're talking about.

It's even worse for HTTP servers on iOS for heaven sake, which don't have
the benefits that FTP servers have.

It's just hilarious that, since you can't just plug in the iOS device to
the USB port of Windows and access the entire user file system (like you
can with Android), that you have to come up with these ridiculous kludges.

On 15 Aug 2018 23:33:31 GMT, Alan Baker wrote:

And what evidence do you have that those aren't "unique femtocell cell
tower ids"?

Have you ever seen a unique femtocell cell tower ID?

HINT: I have (I own one. Plus I own a cellular repeater. Each reports the
unique information differently - which is easily shown on Android.)

"nospam" wrote in message
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In article , Wolf K
wrote:

you said you wanted to transfer photos. connect the ipad via usb and
use whatever photo apps you normally use with other cameras. that can
even be set up to auto-copy when the ipad is connected.

I don't use an app to transfer photos from the camera. Windows Explorer
sees the camera as a folder, just like any other connected storage
device.

windows explorer is an app, so yes you do use an app.

since the ipad is seen as a standard digital camera, windows explorer
will work, which i've said several times already and which you continue
to ignore for some reason.

It's useful to hear you say that "the ipad is seen as a standard digital
camera [and] windows explorer will work". It confirms that what I'm trying
to do *ought* to work and that I'm not attempting the impossible.

What further information and tests do I need to perform to help you diagnose
why what you say should work doesn't in my case?


however, windows explorer is a very poor choice for photo management,
but that's a completely separate issue and nothing is preventing you
from using it if that's what you want to use.

I prefer using it so I retain control over which photos I select for
transfer and where on the recipient computer (eg Wndows) I put them. A lot
of photo-tranfer apps that come with cameras tend to take over and do
everything automatically in their own way.

In article , Arlen Holder
wrote:


it's a fact that you're full of ****.

You don't even realize you're referencing a picture from *my own thread*

wrong.

from Oct 26, 2017 for heaven's sake!

wrong*2.

the date is very clearly visible:
http://www.iphoneforums.net/attachme...d-bfdf-514132f
522f6-png.37469/

you really are that stupid.

In article , NY
wrote:


since the ipad is seen as a standard digital camera, windows explorer
will work, which i've said several times already and which you continue
to ignore for some reason.

It's useful to hear you say that "the ipad is seen as a standard digital
camera [and] windows explorer will work". It confirms that what I'm trying
to do *ought* to work and that I'm not attempting the impossible.

it ain't just me. microsoft and apple say the same thing.

What further information and tests do I need to perform to help you diagnose
why what you say should work doesn't in my case?

to start: ipad model & ios version, windows version (i think you said
7) & itunes version.

also, an *exact* description of any error codes that were displayed (or
screen shots).

i don't think it's the cable, but to be sure, is it a reputable brand
or a noname one? have you tried other cables?

however, windows explorer is a very poor choice for photo management,
but that's a completely separate issue and nothing is preventing you
from using it if that's what you want to use.

I prefer using it so I retain control over which photos I select for
transfer and where on the recipient computer (eg Wndows) I put them. A lot
of photo-tranfer apps that come with cameras tend to take over and do
everything automatically in their own way.

very few, if any do that, plus the apps that come *with* cameras tend
to be garbage and i'm not talking about those.

windows explorer is not designed to manage and organize photos (or
music for that matter), and it does not scale well.

something like adobe lightroom (not the only option, just one of the
better ones) lets you sort and organize photos in ways not possible
with explorer (including via smart collections, face recognition and
geotagging), as well as edit and retouch the photos, export in a
variety of formats, print in a variety of layouts, create books (great
gifts), directly upload to photo web sites (e.g., flickr) and much
more. you can keep the original photos wherever you want and use other
apps as well.

there are also ipad and android versions of lightroom, which can sync
with the desktop version.

you are always in control of what is done and how.

In article , Wolf K
wrote:


i'll spell it out for you:
files can be transferred *directly* *between* *devices*, peer to peer,
without using what you're calling 'the web', using any of a number of
protocols, with or without cables.

Yeah, I know that.

apparently not.

So tell us exactly how to use a cabled connection between an iOS or OS/x
device and a Windows or Android device.

i did.

Oh, and without having to use an
"app" on either device. Just the file manager (as implied in the OP's
subject and original post).

the file manager *is* an app.

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

i've even explained it to*you* a while back, regarding smb apps. or
have you somehow forgotten that?
1) This isn't about me, but - as I stated in the part you SNIPPED -
about Bob-S and Wolf K, 2) This isn't about SMB. 3) Me being interested
in SMB on iOS, unlikely, so PROVE me wrong.
it's about transferring files, and smb is one such method among many
others, which i listed already.
This subthread is about transferring files via USB cables. Always has been.
nope. it's about moving files from one device to another. always has
been because that's the*only* thing that matters.

Bull****.

bull**** right back.

nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

In article , NY
wrote:
[...]
Is there an app that can be
installed on either Apple, Windows laptop or both that will give USB
connectivity so part of the Apple's storage appears as an extra Windows
drive?

not as an extra windows drive, since that makes no sense and it's also
a security hole. it's also the old primitive way of doing things.

1) *Why*, dear allmighty, does it make no sense?

because direct file system access primitive and obsolete. it's a relic
from the past when computers were less capable and the number of files
was much, much less.

So THAT is why Apple HAS direct file system access on MacOS and is
starting to offer it on iOS!? So you're saying that Apple is going
BACKWARD in time!?

Earth to nospam: All OSs offer direct file system access. iOS is/was
the odd man out.

these days, users have many, many thousands of photos, videos, songs,
documents and much more. few people, if any, can keep track of
everything, let alone organize it in useful ways.

Well, Android and Windows (and Linux?) have no problems organizing it
in useful ways.

it's grunt work that computers can do far better than humans can,
allowing users to concentrate on getting stuff done, not dealing with
moving files around.

Nice ad, but nobody is buying, not even Apple anymore.

computers are there to do work *for* you, not the other way around.

And iOS "works for you" by not allowing you to access (for example)
your "documents and much more" via USB from Windows! Makes perfect
sense, NOT!

[Incoherent rambling deleted.]

3) "it's also the old primitive way of doing things" means
Apple can't do it. Thanks for the confirmation.

nope. it means apple is moving beyond the old ways of doing things.

Nope, Apple is moving TO "the old ways of doing things". See above.

On 16 Aug 2018 06:11:53 GMT, nospam wrote:

wrong.

from Oct 26, 2017 for heaven's sake!

wrong*2.

the date is very clearly visible:
http://www.iphoneforums.net/attachme...d-bfdf-514132f
522f6-png.37469/

you really are that stupid.

Hehhehheh ...
You don't even know from what thread you got those screenshots!
I do ... since they're in the thread I authored for God's sake.

I recognized them instantly - you _still_ don't know where they came from.

The funny thing about facts is that when you Apple Apologists try to
"prove" a fact wrong, you end up proving that you're all idiots,
particularly this set of well-known Apple Apologist idiots...
Lewis, nospam, Jolly Roger, Savageduck, BK@onRamp, Alan Baker, etc.

Does iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtocell unique cell id numbers & tower freqs
http://www.iphoneforums.net/threads/...r-freqs.80737/

Does iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtocell unique cell
id numbers & tower freqs

Every thread on the iPhone "Field Test Mode on the Internet is either about
how to enter FTM or about what was dropped between releases (e.g., from 10
to 11 they dropped the decibel reading) or the FTM threads are about how to
get the field strength from bars to decibels - but those common questions
about FTM are not my question at all so my question is a new unique
question.

I'm asking only if the Apple iPhone 7 field test mode reports the actual
cell id of local femtotowers and cellular frequencies, which are never
going to be in an Internet lookup database (since they're installed in
people's houses, and they're managed by the carriers like T-Mobile,
Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, etc.).

(*3001#12345#*) Serving Cell Info {Cell Identity, Physical Cell ID}

If you don't know what a femtotower is, it's a usually free device that the
carrier gives you if your signal is low, where the femtotower is a box that
hooks to your router which turns into a low-power cellular tower, which is
designed to cover your property and your house. The reason I care for the
unique cell id and frequencies is because there are multiple femto-towers
in my area for my carrier, and I want to know if the cell id is reported
correctly in the field test mode screen.

Note that the field test mode screen reports something called "cell id" and
"physical cell id", but they could easily be from an Internet lookup, which
is always going to be wrong for a femto-tower (which will never be on the
Internet databases like those from OpenSignal test reports).

Does the iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtotower unique
cell id numbers & tower frequencies? (How do you know that the number
reported is the correct one for the femtotower and not just a number from
an Internet database lookup?)