How to impede W10 from hibernating automatically?

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 15/07/2019 01.47, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 14/07/2019 14.27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2019 20.41, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2019 19.30, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 12/07/2019 20.57, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
...

I tried this batch script:

echo off
runas /user:Carlos powercfg /hibernate off
pause
...

It finally worked with this line:

runas /user:Minas-Morgul\Carlos "powercfg /hibernate off"
Well, no, it doesn't work. At least, "/hibernate on" doesn't, the
machine did not hibernate for hours, and the entry for hibernate
disappeared from the start menu! I had to issue the command from the
powershell as administrator to reestablish hibernation.

I might live with that, for now... I will investigate other methods with
calm, but at least I have one.

A funny thing happened: the machine came out of hibernation on its own,
at 1:20AM, but of course, it booted to Linux, not Windows (and on
battery; when I found out battery was down to 60% already). I guess
Windows programmed and automatic wakeup, to see for updates, perhaps,
but what would have happened if the laptop was inside a bag? It could
catch fire!

And of course, it is the wrong assumption to think that Windows is the
only system in the machine, and that it will boot first.

Bad, M$, very bad form.

If it was hibernated, isn't it supposed to ignore
boot order and restore from hiberfile ?

It sounds like it was shut down, and it did a fresh
boot, and then the boot loader default caused Linux
to come up.

I've had that random booting stuff happen here on
my desktop, and shutting off the power at the back
of the desktop... stops it. It's funny that Microsoft
hasn't found a way to bypass that power switch. I'm
sure someone in a Microsoft Research lab is "working
on a hand that will reach back and switch it on" :-)

Sorta like the Tesla charging cable that plugs itself in.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...r-creepy-video

Paul

On 16/07/2019 11.26, default wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:10:13 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 15/07/2019 17.25, default wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 06:20:17 -0700 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:

Frank replied ( to me ):
No one knows how to stop the mouse
from accidentally waking the monitor;
apparently, it can't be done.

AFAIK, the 'powercfg' command can solve your problem.
" powercfg /devicequery wake_armed "

"wake_armed" returns just: " HID Keyboard Device (001) ";
i.e. hitting the keyboard will wake my computer.

a mouse movement should no longer wake the computer/monitor.

It's become apparent to me that waking the monitor
is not the same thing as waking the computer;
there are settings for the latter, but not the former.

A mouse button toggles my monitor "off/on" (sleep/wake);
when a random bump wakes my monitor, my code turns it off again.

But, with DisplayPort, "sleep" is no different than "unplugged";
so I get blasted by a bright "no signal" message,
right when I'm trying to relax.

Hopefully, switching to a HDMI v2 cable will solve my problem;
I'll know later this week, when it arrives.

My iGPU, the Core-i7-5775c, stops at HDMI v1.4;
so I might have to upgrade my CPU+motherboard.

My motherboard BIOS has settings for standby and while software can
put it in standby, I have to press the power button once to go active,
or I can press the power button to put it in standby (press and hold
switches it off)

Check your BIOS and see if it has choices like that.

It is not that kind of sleep. It is controlled by the operating system,
because it is running, not by the BIOS.

Windows and Linux can both initiate a standby mode from software, but
only the power switch can wake it not the keyboard or mouse. ("wake
on LAN" is a choice, but I've never used it)


Sure, but Jeff-Relf.Me is not using it.

How do I know? Because he is using a software phone, which means the
CPU is fully awake waiting for calls (hopefully it slows down the
clock). The only thing that goes to sleep in his setup is the display.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 16/07/2019 13.13, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 15/07/2019 01.47, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 14/07/2019 14.27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2019 20.41, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2019 19.30, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 12/07/2019 20.57, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
...

I tried this batch script:

echo off
runas /user:Carlos powercfg /hibernate off
pause
...

It finally worked with this line:

runas /user:Minas-Morgul\Carlos "powercfg /hibernate off"
Well, no, it doesn't work. At least, "/hibernate on" doesn't, the
machine did not hibernate for hours, and the entry for hibernate
disappeared from the start menu!Â* I had to issue the command from the
powershell as administrator to reestablish hibernation.

I might live with that, for now... I will investigate other methods with
calm, but at least I have one.

A funny thing happened: the machine came out of hibernation on its own,
at 1:20AM, but of course, it booted to Linux, not Windows (and on
battery; when I found out battery was down to 60% already). I guess
Windows programmed and automatic wakeup, to see for updates, perhaps,
but what would have happened if the laptop was inside a bag? It could
catch fire!

And of course, it is the wrong assumption to think that Windows is the
only system in the machine, and that it will boot first.

Bad, M$, very bad form.

If it was hibernated, isn't it supposed to ignore
boot order and restore from hiberfile ?

It sounds like it was shut down, and it did a fresh
boot, and then the boot loader default caused Linux
to come up.

It was hibernated to disk, not to ram. Fully powered up, except for the
CMOS clock. In that mode it works as a normal boot and grub mandates
what it starts. Then whatever does, it loads its own hibernated image.

Yes, grub should boot the previously booted operating system. This is
failing in my setup, I will investigate why. I activated the option to
do this, but there must be some config mistake or problem.

(it is a nuisance when updating Windows with several reboots)

I've had that random booting stuff happen here on
my desktop, and shutting off the power at the back
of the desktop... stops it. It's funny that Microsoft
hasn't found a way to bypass that power switch. I'm
sure someone in a Microsoft Research lab is "working
on a hand that will reach back and switch it on" :-)

:-D


Sorta like the Tesla charging cable that plugs itself in.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...r-creepy-video


About time! :-)



--
Cheers, Carlos.

Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:
Paul,

Have you replaced Windows File Explorer with XYplorer, or some such ?

If so, what do you recommend ?

I'm too lazy to do stuff like that.

This site sometimes has lists of tools for such things.

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/6-free-p...le-operations/

Paul

Carlos E.R. wrote:
[...]
A funny thing happened: the machine came out of hibernation on its own,

That probably means that it was *not* hibernated. When in hibernation,
the system can only respond to the power-button (and other hardware
related things, such as Wakeup on LAN).

Remember hibernation is a non-power state, i.e. you can disconnect the
power (and remove the battery if a laptop) and the system can still
resume from hibernation when power is restored and the power-button is
pressed.

Does your system have any special *hardware* sources which could have
woken it up from hibernation?

[...]

Yes, Carlos, my computer never sleeps.

I put my monitor to sleep so that there's no light, no back-lighting.

My computer draws a few watts, and
the CPU/GPU is slightly above room temperature.

Paul,

Have you replaced Windows File Explorer with XYplorer, or some such ?

If so, what do you recommend ?

Paul replied ( to me ):
Have you replaced Windows File Explorer with XYplorer, or some such ?

I'm too lazy to do stuff like that.
https://www.raymond.cc/blog/6-free-p...le-operations/

OK, I was hoping you'd have a better alternative, but you don't;
so I'll stick with Windows File Explorer.