Win7 support:

This isn't Windows, but a couple lines at the bottom
here, show that "youtube-dl.exe" takes a few arguments
on the command line, and does most of the work for you.
[]
I was trying to keep things simple for Robert: although youtube-dl _can_
take arguments/parameters, every time I've used it so far, using just
the one - the URL - has been fine. (I've used it myself with the -U
[update] parameter, and the -F [show available formats - though I'd have
to look at my stored emails to remind myself how to select other than
the "(best)" one].) Remember Robert said ffmpeg was too complex for him.
(It is for me: I've saved a few specific examples and used those. Well,
not too complex as such, just I don't currently feel like learning it.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Religion often uses faith as a blindfold, saying anyone who doesn't believe
the same as us must be wiped out. It's not God saying that. It's people, which
is so dangerous. - Jenny Agutter, RT 2015/1/17-23


I appreciate you trying to keep it
simple.

Robert

[all of preceding post snipped - do you think you could do that if
you're not referring to it, as in this case?]

I tried installing YouTube -dl but don't know if I
have and if I have I don't know how to use it. To
create different site pages than it already has.

https://postimg.cc/Xpkt3xjS
That's a page about Video DownloadHelper, not youtube-dl.


https://postimg.cc/cg35zB9z
As is that.

https://postimg.cc/HrPZshFK
And that.

https://postimg.cc/Tp5qJ3sk
And that. That says you have installed DownloadHelper.

https://postimg.cc/9rywfRKj
Another VDH one.

https://postimg.cc/QKGxLSXK
I think that's still part of VDH's website.

When I open up 'all programs' I see nothing
new has been added. Do I have to do more?

Thoughts?
Robert

Video Downloadhelper is a browser extension; it appears as an extra
button within the browser, not in "all programs". The button has three
balls on it - initially shades of grey, but when you look at a webpage
that it recognises as containing a video it can download, they become
red blue and yellow. (In Chrome, it doesn't work with the YouTube site;
since Google are behind both Chrome and YouTube, they made it a
condition of their carrying it on the Chrome add-ons site that it
wouldn't work on YouTube videos.)

Since youtube-dl is a command line utility, it won't appear in "all
programs"; you have to call it up the old-fashioned way. You'll know you
have installed it correctly by the fact that, somewhere on your system,
you will have a file called youtube-dl.exe, of size about 8M (the
version I currently have, which is version 2019.07.14, is 8,049,717
bytes). As Paul says, I'd just put a copy of it into your download
folder - say D:\temp or something like that.

Then, when you find a webpage containing a video you want to download -
I'll use
https://public.oed.com/blog/in-conve...rris-part-one/
as an example:

1. Copy the URL (to the normal clipboard).
2. In explorer, go to D:\temp.
3. Open a command prompt there. [If you don't have "command prompt here"
see below.]
4. type
youtube-dl
(that's "youtube-dl" followed by a space).
5. alt-space, E, P. This will paste in the URL, so the command window
should show
D:\tempyoutube-dl
https://public.oed.com/blog/in-conve...rris-part-one/
for my example.
6. press Enter.
Lots of lines of text will appear - ignore those; if it works, the last
one will start with "[download]" followed by a percentage, which should
rise to 100%.
7. Close the command window (unless you're going to be doing more).
8. In explorer, looking at your download folder, there should now be a
video file that wasn't there before. Rename it if you wish, then move it
to the folder you want it to be in.

If you don't have "Open command window here" or similar when you
right-click on a folder, then add it - either by the standalone (e. g.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/det...mpt_here.html),
or it is one of the settings in the Windows 7 tweaker
(http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultima...a-tweak-ui-for
-windows-7-vista)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I
have one. -Cato the Elder, statesman, soldier, and writer (234-149 BCE)



I need to re-read this, when you say copy
normal do you mean right clicking? Also is
D:\ in Explorer the same as C:\ in Firefox ?


Robert

Robert in CA wrote:

Now that I have the Dell Imaging resolved back
to YouTube-dl.After re-reading is this a command prompt
program? I'm not sure if I want to venture into that.

Robert

Try it out. See if it works. If the executable
program is in your Downloads folder, you could use
the program like this.

cd %userprofile%\Downloads

youtube-dl.exe https://www.youtube.com/abcd1234

Do that and see what it does with some valid link you
want to extract. The Youtube link in that example is not
valid and is just a place-holder for where the real
link goes.

Paul

Robert in CA wrote:
This isn't Windows, but a couple lines at the bottom
here, show that "youtube-dl.exe" takes a few arguments
on the command line, and does most of the work for you.
[]
I was trying to keep things simple for Robert: although youtube-dl _can_
take arguments/parameters, every time I've used it so far, using just
the one - the URL - has been fine. (I've used it myself with the -U
[update] parameter, and the -F [show available formats - though I'd have
to look at my stored emails to remind myself how to select other than
the "(best)" one].) Remember Robert said ffmpeg was too complex for him.
(It is for me: I've saved a few specific examples and used those. Well,
not too complex as such, just I don't currently feel like learning it.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Religion often uses faith as a blindfold, saying anyone who doesn't believe
the same as us must be wiped out. It's not God saying that. It's people, which
is so dangerous. - Jenny Agutter, RT 2015/1/17-23


I appreciate you trying to keep it
simple.

Robert

When doing it that way

youtube-dl.exe https://www.youtube.com/abcd1234

the format could be a "strange" format.

To make sure you can play such content, try the
resulting downloaded videos in VLC program.
It uses FFMPEG to read the movies, but without
you having to tell it what to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLC_media_player

https://www.videolan.org/

Some other movie players may not support all the formats
(like tools that Microsoft sometimes writes),
but VLC should be pretty good at it.

HTH,
Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
Robert in CA wrote:

Now that I have the Dell Imaging resolved back
to YouTube-dl.After re-reading is this a command prompt
program? I'm not sure if I want to venture into that. Robert

Try it out. See if it works. If the executable

Seconded. It's a lot simpler to use than ffmpeg; despite what Paul says
in another post, just giving it the URL (address) of the
video-containing web-page mostly works for me.

(What do you use to view video files of the various formats? I use VLC
[the traffic cone] and it seems to play most things.)

program is in your Downloads folder, you could use
the program like this.

cd %userprofile%\Downloads

youtube-dl.exe https://www.youtube.com/abcd1234

Do that and see what it does with some valid link you
want to extract. The Youtube link in that example is not
valid and is just a place-holder for where the real
link goes.

Paul

As I mentioned earlier, alt-space E P will paste the URL into the
command window, provided you've copied it of course. And you don't need
the ".exe" - just "youtube-dl " followed by the URL (the http bit) will
work fine. (The space _is_ needed though.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I'm a paranoid agnostic. I doubt the existence of God, but I'm sure there is
some force, somewhere, working against me." - Marc Maron

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
Robert in CA wrote:

Now that I have the Dell Imaging resolved back
to YouTube-dl.After re-reading is this a command prompt
program? I'm not sure if I want to venture into that. Robert

Try it out. See if it works. If the executable

Seconded. It's a lot simpler to use than ffmpeg; despite what Paul says
in another post, just giving it the URL (address) of the
video-containing web-page mostly works for me.

(What do you use to view video files of the various formats? I use VLC
[the traffic cone] and it seems to play most things.)

program is in your Downloads folder, you could use
the program like this.

cd %userprofile%\Downloads

youtube-dl.exe https://www.youtube.com/abcd1234

Do that and see what it does with some valid link you
want to extract. The Youtube link in that example is not
valid and is just a place-holder for where the real
link goes.

Paul

As I mentioned earlier, alt-space E P will paste the URL into the
command window, provided you've copied it of course. And you don't need
the ".exe" - just "youtube-dl " followed by the URL (the http bit) will
work fine. (The space _is_ needed though.)

I write them up this way, so there is no ambiguity
about which file is involved.

If a person cannot see the .exe , it means they haven't
been sent off to the Folder Options, to turn on file
extension viewing. It means they're missing golden
opportunities to improve the precision of their
folder viewing. Viewing and reviewing extensions
is all part of "Safe Hex".

Bolting the exe on like that, is part of a package deal.

It's got nothing to do with "what is the most
efficient, least characters to type" answer.

Paul

In message ,
Robert in CA writes:
[]
I need to re-read this, when you say copy
normal do you mean right clicking? Also is
D:\ in Explorer the same as C:\ in Firefox ?


Robert

(That's weird! When I read your post, I see it as two sixty-something
character lines, the first one ending with the word "right". When I
clicked Followup, something - not me, though possibly my software - has
turned it into the three short lines above! Never mind.)

When I said "Copy the URL (to the normal clipboard)", I just meant copy
the URL - the http://... or https://... bit - from the address bar of
your browser, as if you were going to paste it somewhere. I think in
both my browsers, just right-clicking in it will give a menu including
Copy.

When I said D:\temp, that was just an example of what you might use as
your download directory (folder); mine is D:\MOVIES\X\!pending . C:,
D:, E:, and so on just refer to the partitions and drives on your
computer; if you haven't divided your disc from the default, you will
only have C: on your hard disc, and D: will be your CD/DVD drive. (Not
IMO a good thing, but let's get youtube-dl working first.) In one of
Paul's posts, he suggests that %userprofile%\Downloads will get you
where you want to be; I was just trying to avoid typing such a long
string, hence my tips on how to ensure you have "command prompt here" in
your explorer right-click menu.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I'm a paranoid agnostic. I doubt the existence of God, but I'm sure there is
some force, somewhere, working against me." - Marc Maron

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
As I mentioned earlier, alt-space E P will paste the URL into the
command window, provided you've copied it of course. And you don't
need the ".exe" - just "youtube-dl " followed by the URL (the http
bit) will work fine. (The space _is_ needed though.)

I write them up this way, so there is no ambiguity
about which file is involved.

There isn't, when calling up a .exe (-:

If a person cannot see the .exe , it means they haven't
been sent off to the Folder Options, to turn on file
extension viewing. It means they're missing golden
opportunities to improve the precision of their
folder viewing. Viewing and reviewing extensions
is all part of "Safe Hex".

I totally agree, and continue to be surprised, or at least depressed,
that Microsoft continued to make "hide extensions" the default setting,
for all Windows versions after the malware writers started to use the
".txt.exe" mislead (which was well before XP).

However, there's no need to _type_ the ".exe" when calling up a .exe
file in the command window ...

Bolting the exe on like that, is part of a package deal.

It's got nothing to do with "what is the most
efficient, least characters to type" answer.

.... and minimising the amount of typing required is something I do
whenever trying to gently introduce people to the command line.

Paul

[Some of Robert's posts have made me wonder if he's AH, but I don't
_think_ so.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Of course some of it [television] is bad. But some of everything is bad -
books, music, family ... - Melvyn Bragg, RT 2017/7/1-7

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 10:56:27 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Now that I have the Dell Imaging resolved back
to YouTube-dl.After re-reading is this a command prompt
program? I'm not sure if I want to venture into that.

Robert

Try it out. See if it works. If the executable
program is in your Downloads folder, you could use
the program like this.

cd %userprofile%\Downloads

youtube-dl.exe https://www.youtube.com/abcd1234

Do that and see what it does with some valid link you
want to extract. The Youtube link in that example is not
valid and is just a place-holder for where the real
link goes.

Paul



I think I'll pass on this.

Will let you know when the cable
arrives and everything is connected.

Thanks anyways,.
Robert

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
[]
Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I
tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave
for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to
but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something?

Thanks,
Robert
There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known -
http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen
called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its
purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate.

Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you
can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista,
or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the
"up"dates, for example.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells



Above the download button it says that
Classic Shell is no longer in active
development but I assume I could still
use it?

Robert

For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell

"Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009.

Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017.

As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub
(https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development.

As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell
and can be found he

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
"

So that link gets me source code.

Whereas this link finds the executable needed.

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe

OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes

Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance
and not from github.

Virustotal scan is clean.

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection

It looks like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif

Paul


I thought of something,. I have formatted
backup HD's for the 8500 and the 780 with
Win 7 Pro so I should update them with the
Win10 key also, correct?

I suppose there's no way we could do this via
USB connection?

So I would have to remove the HD and replace
it with the backup HD and run the Rescue CD
program and download the Win10 installation key.
Is that correct? Its all a bit fuzzy even though
I just did it.I have to go back and re-read your
instructions and save them.

Thoughts/Suggestions
Robert

On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 8:24:39 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
[]
Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I
tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave
for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to
but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something?

Thanks,
Robert
There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known -
http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen
called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its
purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate.

Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you
can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista,
or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the
"up"dates, for example.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells



Above the download button it says that
Classic Shell is no longer in active
development but I assume I could still
use it?

Robert

For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell

"Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009.

Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017.

As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub
(https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development.

As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell
and can be found he

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
"

So that link gets me source code.

Whereas this link finds the executable needed.

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe

OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes

Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance
and not from github.

Virustotal scan is clean.

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection

It looks like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif

Paul


I thought of something,. I have formatted
backup HD's for the 8500 and the 780 with
Win 7 Pro so I should update them with the
Win10 key also, correct?

I suppose there's no way we could do this via
USB connection?

So I would have to remove the HD and replace
it with the backup HD and run the Rescue CD
program and download the Win10 installation key.
Is that correct? Its all a bit fuzzy even though
I just did it.I have to go back and re-read your
instructions and save them.

Thoughts/Suggestions
Robert



On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 8:24:39 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
[]
Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I
tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave
for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to
but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something?

Thanks,
Robert
There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known -
http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen
called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its
purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate.

Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you
can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista,
or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the
"up"dates, for example.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells



Above the download button it says that
Classic Shell is no longer in active
development but I assume I could still
use it?

Robert

For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell

"Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009.

Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017.

As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub
(https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development.

As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell
and can be found he

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
"

So that link gets me source code.

Whereas this link finds the executable needed.

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe

OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes

Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance
and not from github.

Virustotal scan is clean.

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection

It looks like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif

Paul


I thought of something,. I have formatted
backup HD's for the 8500 and the 780 with
Win 7 Pro so I should update them with the
Win10 key also, correct?

I suppose there's no way we could do this via
USB connection?

So I would have to remove the HD and replace
it with the backup HD and run the Rescue CD
program and download the Win10 installation key.
Is that correct? Its all a bit fuzzy even though
I just did it.I have to go back and re-read your
instructions and save them.

Thoughts/Suggestions
Robert


I've looked everywhere but can't find your link for
installation of Win10, could you please provide that
for me again with instructions?

Thanks,
Robert

Robert in CA wrote:


I've looked everywhere but can't find your link for
installation of Win10, could you please provide that
for me again with instructions?

Thanks,
Robert

You've done the Digital Entitlement for both machines.

You currently have Windows 10 on a spare drive in the 780.

Nothing needs to be done now, except some sort of
"final" Windows 10 installation. And deciding exactly
how that should work.

This would be Win10-over-Win7 or Win10-over-Win10, keeping
personal files and programs. It can be used to obtain
a Digital Entitlement on the terms of the Win7SP1 free upgrade.
It is called, variously, a "Repair install" or an "Upgrade install".
You can only this, while the "origin" OS is still runnable.
You can't do this to an OS that is damaged and won't boot.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...e-upgrade.html

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs |
+-----+------------------------------------+

Now, if you happen to clone a copy of Win7, such that there are two of them, you can do this.
Macrium can be used to backup, then drag-and-drop restore, a second Win7 as seen here.
Using the Macrium Emergency boot repair, causes both to be bootable from a menu.
After you've prepared the setup of the two OSes, you can install Win10 on the second one.

set this one as Default boot...
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs |
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

*******

Clean Installs involve booting the DVD, rather than just running
Setup.exe off of one. A Clean Install might be used if you
want to put only Windows 10 on a disk, or you want to put
Windows 10 and Windows 7 side by side. Because it is a Clean Install,
it does not keep your personal files or program structure, and
has nothing in it when you first see the resulting screen. This
does not particularly fit your lifestyle (i.e. it would
annoy you). You normally expect a browser with bookmarks
waiting for you, and this doesn't do it, and means more work.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

+-----+
| MBR | becomes...
+-----+

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing |
+-----+------------------------------------+

or if you start with Win7, and define a new partition next to Win7 in
the Custom menu, then...

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing |
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

Those are some examples. They lack details, such as how many partitions
are available and so on. Note that the second OS can be installed
in an Extended/Logical, so it's not a problem to package up an install
when needed. MSDOS partitioned drives are almost as flexible
as GPT partitioned drives.

Paul

On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 9:53:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


I've looked everywhere but can't find your link for
installation of Win10, could you please provide that
for me again with instructions?

Thanks,
Robert

You've done the Digital Entitlement for both machines.

You currently have Windows 10 on a spare drive in the 780.

Nothing needs to be done now, except some sort of
"final" Windows 10 installation. And deciding exactly
how that should work.

This would be Win10-over-Win7 or Win10-over-Win10, keeping
personal files and programs. It can be used to obtain
a Digital Entitlement on the terms of the Win7SP1 free upgrade.
It is called, variously, a "Repair install" or an "Upgrade install".
You can only this, while the "origin" OS is still runnable.
You can't do this to an OS that is damaged and won't boot.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...e-upgrade.html

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs |
+-----+------------------------------------+

Now, if you happen to clone a copy of Win7, such that there are two of them, you can do this.
Macrium can be used to backup, then drag-and-drop restore, a second Win7 as seen here.
Using the Macrium Emergency boot repair, causes both to be bootable from a menu.
After you've prepared the setup of the two OSes, you can install Win10 on the second one.

set this one as Default boot...
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs |
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

*******

Clean Installs involve booting the DVD, rather than just running
Setup.exe off of one. A Clean Install might be used if you
want to put only Windows 10 on a disk, or you want to put
Windows 10 and Windows 7 side by side. Because it is a Clean Install,
it does not keep your personal files or program structure, and
has nothing in it when you first see the resulting screen. This
does not particularly fit your lifestyle (i.e. it would
annoy you). You normally expect a browser with bookmarks
waiting for you, and this doesn't do it, and means more work.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

+-----+
| MBR | becomes...
+-----+

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing |
+-----+------------------------------------+

or if you start with Win7, and define a new partition next to Win7 in
the Custom menu, then...

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing |
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

Those are some examples. They lack details, such as how many partitions
are available and so on. Note that the second OS can be installed
in an Extended/Logical, so it's not a problem to package up an install
when needed. MSDOS partitioned drives are almost as flexible
as GPT partitioned drives.

Paul

From the sound of it it sounds like I need
another HD to do this so as not to mess
up my backup HD's? To clone Win 7 Pro and use
it during the process to get the Win 10 key.
I still need the download link and how do I
save all my folder files since you say they
will be erased with a clean install? They
weren't erased when we got the key for the
8500 and 780?



Hmmm let me think again.. If I needed to
replace either HD couldn't I use my present
spare HD's that's already formatted for Win
7 Pro and then use a Mrimg with Win 10 to
upgrade it that way? Would that work?

Thoughts/ Suggestions

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 9:53:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

I've looked everywhere but can't find your link for
installation of Win10, could you please provide that
for me again with instructions?

Thanks,
Robert
You've done the Digital Entitlement for both machines.

You currently have Windows 10 on a spare drive in the 780.

Nothing needs to be done now, except some sort of
"final" Windows 10 installation. And deciding exactly
how that should work.

This would be Win10-over-Win7 or Win10-over-Win10, keeping
personal files and programs. It can be used to obtain
a Digital Entitlement on the terms of the Win7SP1 free upgrade.
It is called, variously, a "Repair install" or an "Upgrade install".
You can only this, while the "origin" OS is still runnable.
You can't do this to an OS that is damaged and won't boot.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...e-upgrade.html

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs |
+-----+------------------------------------+

Now, if you happen to clone a copy of Win7, such that there are two of them, you can do this.
Macrium can be used to backup, then drag-and-drop restore, a second Win7 as seen here.
Using the Macrium Emergency boot repair, causes both to be bootable from a menu.
After you've prepared the setup of the two OSes, you can install Win10 on the second one.

set this one as Default boot...
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs |
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

*******

Clean Installs involve booting the DVD, rather than just running
Setup.exe off of one. A Clean Install might be used if you
want to put only Windows 10 on a disk, or you want to put
Windows 10 and Windows 7 side by side. Because it is a Clean Install,
it does not keep your personal files or program structure, and
has nothing in it when you first see the resulting screen. This
does not particularly fit your lifestyle (i.e. it would
annoy you). You normally expect a browser with bookmarks
waiting for you, and this doesn't do it, and means more work.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

+-----+
| MBR | becomes...
+-----+

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing |
+-----+------------------------------------+

or if you start with Win7, and define a new partition next to Win7 in
the Custom menu, then...

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing |
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

Those are some examples. They lack details, such as how many partitions
are available and so on. Note that the second OS can be installed
in an Extended/Logical, so it's not a problem to package up an install
when needed. MSDOS partitioned drives are almost as flexible
as GPT partitioned drives.

Paul

From the sound of it it sounds like I need
another HD to do this so as not to mess
up my backup HD's? To clone Win 7 Pro and use
it during the process to get the Win 10 key.
I still need the download link and how do I
save all my folder files since you say they
will be erased with a clean install? They
weren't erased when we got the key for the
8500 and 780?



Hmmm let me think again.. If I needed to
replace either HD couldn't I use my present
spare HD's that's already formatted for Win
7 Pro and then use a Mrimg with Win 10 to
upgrade it that way? Would that work?

Thoughts/ Suggestions

Robert

You already have the Digital Entitlement, as you
did one Windows 10 install (using the Spare drive)
on the 8500 and the 780. You checked for "Activated"
in the System control panel, so both have their license.

Your backup drives have Win7 on them. You could
run Setup.exe on the DVD, while that copy of
Windows 7 is booted, and the OS would be changed
to Windows 10. But if you do that, you'll be running
all the time, on your "backup" drive. The OS on the
backup drive is mainly for emergencies, not a daily
driver. It's to ensure you have something to use, if
the primary drive is not usable for some reason.

Paul

On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 11:18:39 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 9:53:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

I've looked everywhere but can't find your link for
installation of Win10, could you please provide that
for me again with instructions?

Thanks,
Robert
You've done the Digital Entitlement for both machines.

You currently have Windows 10 on a spare drive in the 780.

Nothing needs to be done now, except some sort of
"final" Windows 10 installation. And deciding exactly
how that should work.

This would be Win10-over-Win7 or Win10-over-Win10, keeping
personal files and programs. It can be used to obtain
a Digital Entitlement on the terms of the Win7SP1 free upgrade.
It is called, variously, a "Repair install" or an "Upgrade install".
You can only this, while the "origin" OS is still runnable.
You can't do this to an OS that is damaged and won't boot.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...e-upgrade.html

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs |
+-----+------------------------------------+

Now, if you happen to clone a copy of Win7, such that there are two of them, you can do this.
Macrium can be used to backup, then drag-and-drop restore, a second Win7 as seen here.
Using the Macrium Emergency boot repair, causes both to be bootable from a menu.
After you've prepared the setup of the two OSes, you can install Win10 on the second one.

set this one as Default boot...
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs |
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

*******

Clean Installs involve booting the DVD, rather than just running
Setup.exe off of one. A Clean Install might be used if you
want to put only Windows 10 on a disk, or you want to put
Windows 10 and Windows 7 side by side. Because it is a Clean Install,
it does not keep your personal files or program structure, and
has nothing in it when you first see the resulting screen. This
does not particularly fit your lifestyle (i.e. it would
annoy you). You normally expect a browser with bookmarks
waiting for you, and this doesn't do it, and means more work.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

+-----+
| MBR | becomes...
+-----+

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing |
+-----+------------------------------------+

or if you start with Win7, and define a new partition next to Win7 in
the Custom menu, then...

+-----+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes...
+-----+------------------------------------+

+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing |
+-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+

Those are some examples. They lack details, such as how many partitions
are available and so on. Note that the second OS can be installed
in an Extended/Logical, so it's not a problem to package up an install
when needed. MSDOS partitioned drives are almost as flexible
as GPT partitioned drives.

Paul

From the sound of it it sounds like I need
another HD to do this so as not to mess
up my backup HD's? To clone Win 7 Pro and use
it during the process to get the Win 10 key.
I still need the download link and how do I
save all my folder files since you say they
will be erased with a clean install? They
weren't erased when we got the key for the
8500 and 780?



Hmmm let me think again.. If I needed to
replace either HD couldn't I use my present
spare HD's that's already formatted for Win
7 Pro and then use a Mrimg with Win 10 to
upgrade it that way? Would that work?

Thoughts/ Suggestions

Robert

You already have the Digital Entitlement, as you
did one Windows 10 install (using the Spare drive)
on the 8500 and the 780. You checked for "Activated"
in the System control panel, so both have their license.

Your backup drives have Win7 on them. You could
run Setup.exe on the DVD, while that copy of
Windows 7 is booted, and the OS would be changed
to Windows 10. But if you do that, you'll be running
all the time, on your "backup" drive. The OS on the
backup drive is mainly for emergencies, not a daily
driver. It's to ensure you have something to use, if
the primary drive is not usable for some reason.

Paul

Ok,, let me see if I understand.. it's the 8500 that
has the Digital Entitlement not the actual HD so I can
still use the backup HD with Win 7 and it would still have
the Win 10 Digital Entitlement option because we installed
it on the 8500? Is that correct? Therefore we don't need
to do anything.

I ordered the data cable and will hook the Win10 HD
up in the 780 and will send you pics from it.

Robert