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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:19:02 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Stijn De Jong wrote: nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. It's not a minor issue at all if you want curved arrows. It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options they provide for the results which matter. preview is as easy as it gets. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. It's not a minor issue at all if you want curved arrows. which few people do, but it can do it, so it doesn't matter. |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 20:18:09 -0500, nospam wrote:
it's *you* who didn't try what was suggested. you just kept on babbling that preview can't do it despite *multiple* people telling you that it can and do so very easily, for free, and even showing you exactly *how*. |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On 2017-02-17 01:58:53 +0000, Stijn De Jong said:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:41:20 +0100, android wrote: I just tried those mentioned above. They work dandy fine! :-/ I can hand you a dozen kits, where they all supposedly do the same thing, but some fly better than others, even though they all have the same basic parts. In that light, I have just one simple question specifically for you. QUESTION FOR "android" only: Have you ever used the arrowing commands in Paint.NET? No. Why would I? I have to smile because I just responded why to Savageduck who said that plenty of Mac users said their tool was better, but, I responded to Savageduck that there was zero evidence that those people made those conclusions after testing the aforementioned Windows or Linux tools. Sigh!... You always do this with your editorializing, which has you decending into the insufferable. I have told you many times in other NG's, in other threads, and so have other folks, don't put words into my mouth. I did not say that "our tool was better". You did not find me using those words. I merely presented an OSX app, Preview (free), which performs the annotation functions you wanted simply and effectively. I also have serious doubt that you have spent much time at all on any Mac, especially enough time to make much more than a cursory survey of what can be done on any Mac. You are an unashamed Linux user who occasionally delves into one or other variety of Windows, and as a result, have little to no understanding of OSX and what it has to offer. You go out of your way to passive agressively insult users of OSX and iOS, even when they make a sincere effort to answer some of your questions. So many are aware of your M.O. they no longer give you the benefit of doubt, when you have nym-shifted, regardles of your question as your particular agenda is way too obvious to all. The evidence abounds by those who know me that I have used all the suggested tools on all the platforms (windows, mac, and linux), so, I have to smile whenever someone makes a pronouncement that their favorite tool is better than some other tool that they've never once used. Actually the evidence doesn't "abound". It is just that most normal folks don't wallow in OCD behaviour such as yours that much. It's just funny. So many people lack scientific thought processes that it's just funny. That is presumptive opinion. The guy "nospam" is classic that way. Absolutely nothing he ever says is backed up by actual fact. He just makes it all up. We all have our opinions with regard to nospam, and his annoying manner of dialog. However, most of us recogize that he does have considerable knowledge in some areas. HINT: You can't reasonably assert one tool is better than another for simple things like arrowing unless you have actually tried each of them (or, at the very least, researched them in detail). As I said, nobody asserted that one tool was better than another. In my case I just said that one particular tool meets the annotation requirements you set out, both easily and effectively. I couldn't be bothered to conduct a bunch of comparative test for those functions. I have and do make comparative tests with software which has functions which interest me, (my current interest is in researching and test driving various photo editing software) and so do many other folks in this and other NG's. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On 2017-02-17 02:54:32 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:19:02 -0500, nospam wrote: In article , Stijn De Jong wrote: nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. It's not a minor issue at all if you want curved arrows. It's OK. Preview will do curved arrows very nicely. It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options they provide for the results which matter. preview is as easy as it gets. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 19:38:55 -0800, Savageduck
wrote: On 2017-02-17 02:54:32 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:19:02 -0500, nospam wrote: In article , Stijn De Jong wrote: nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. It's not a minor issue at all if you want curved arrows. It's OK. Preview will do curved arrows very nicely. I was responding after nospam said it wouldn't do it all. In any case 'very nicely' is a matter of opinion and I'm not the one who has to be satisfied about this. It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options they provide for the results which matter. preview is as easy as it gets. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. It's not a minor issue at all if you want curved arrows. It's OK. Preview will do curved arrows very nicely. I was responding after nospam said it wouldn't do it all. which i corrected in a subsequent post within a few minutes. |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On 2017-02-17 04:06:49 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 19:38:55 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On 2017-02-17 02:54:32 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:19:02 -0500, nospam wrote: In article , Stijn De Jong wrote: nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. It's not a minor issue at all if you want curved arrows. It's OK. Preview will do curved arrows very nicely. I was responding after nospam said it wouldn't do it all. In any case 'very nicely' is a matter of opinion and I'm not the one who has to be satisfied about this. OK! Good enough for my simple, off the cuff annotation needs. It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options they provide for the results which matter. preview is as easy as it gets. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 23:08:32 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. It's not a minor issue at all if you want curved arrows. It's OK. Preview will do curved arrows very nicely. I was responding after nospam said it wouldn't do it all. which i corrected in a subsequent post within a few minutes. Yep. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 01:58:53 -0000, Stijn De Jong
wrote: [] The guy "nospam" is classic that way. Absolutely nothing he ever says is backed up by actual fact. He just makes it all up. He's only here for the argument; use your killfile. YKIMS. -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
"Stijn De Jong" wrote
| you just kept on babbling that preview can't do it despite *multiple* | people telling you that it can and do so very easily, for free, and | even showing you exactly *how*. | | I'm curious. You wanted this for Windows. But from what you've said it sounds like you use Windows, Mac and Linux. Why all 3? No preference? I would think that with your particular graphic needs you would have ended up on just one system long ago. |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
"Savageduck" wrote
| I have told you many times in other NG's, in other threads, and so have | other folks, don't put words into my mouth. I did not say that "our | tool was better". You did not find me using those words. I merely | presented an OSX app, Preview (free), which performs the annotation | functions you wanted simply and effectively. | I also have serious doubt | that you have spent much time at all on any Mac, especially enough time | to make much more than a cursory survey of what can be done on any Mac. | He may be baiting. I don't know. But it was you who insisted on arguing about Mac programs in a discussion about Windows software. |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On 2017-02-17 15:08:00 +0000, "Mayayana" said:
"Stijn De Jong" wrote | you just kept on babbling that preview can't do it despite *multiple* | people telling you that it can and do so very easily, for free, and | even showing you exactly *how*. | | I'm curious. You wanted this for Windows. But from what you've said it sounds like you use Windows, Mac and Linux. Why all 3? No preference? I would think that with your particular graphic needs you would have ended up on just one system long ago. He is a Linux/Windows user. He is not a Mac user/owner other than some brief, questionable Mac encounter he has told us of in this thread. He is also obsessed with freeware options. Nospam, Alan Browne, and yours truly know him quite well from lengthy encounters, and pointless babbling threads in other NG's where he has used dozens of nyms, with a change coming every few weeks. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On 2017-02-17 15:18:39 +0000, "Mayayana" said:
"Savageduck" wrote | I have told you many times in other NG's, in other threads, and so have | other folks, don't put words into my mouth. I did not say that "our | tool was better". You did not find me using those words. I merely | presented an OSX app, Preview (free), which performs the annotation | functions you wanted simply and effectively. | I also have serious doubt | that you have spent much time at all on any Mac, especially enough time | to make much more than a cursory survey of what can be done on any Mac. | He may be baiting. I don't know. But it was you who insisted on arguing about Mac programs in a discussion about Windows software. I didn't argue. He made the challenge regarding "freeware" which would do the job, and I responded with the free application I use, which does all that he asked of it. rec.photo.digital is where he has initiated this thread, and to the best of my knowledge r.p.d. is not an exclusive Windows NG. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
"Savageduck" wrote
| "Adding canvas" would be accomplished by | painting a bitmap onto a second larger bitmap, just | because that's how Windows graphics works. | | If you do it that way it is a bit of a kludge. Bitmap is a very old | Windows way of thinking. There are far simpler and efficient ways of | doing what you have described. | You're doing it that way, too. You just don't know it. (RAW is more complicated, in ways I don't fully understand, but once you get into raster graphics it's all the same.) Now that I know what's meant by canvas I don't see any problem with it. I'm curious how I never noticed "canvas" before. But it's just a GUI convention. It's not functionality. I don't see any inconvenience with copy/paste onto a new image. That makes it easy for me to move around one or more images on a larger background and operate on various layers until I'm ready to merge them. That's a more flexible method than canvas. If I want a text area I'll usually just paint on a rectangle. But canvas seems fine for adding a regular, defined border. What you're doing with "canvas" is using a conceptual device to imagine working on a picture that's on a background plate. You then swap out for a bigger background plate when desired. That's actually an unnecessary device if you think in terms of what the image really is and let go of the irrelevant, concrete-world limitations like easels and stretched canvas over a frame. Raster graphics deals in rectangular bitmaps, which are arrays of byte values defining pixels, with the display of those pixels defined by width, height, color-depth and orientation specs included with the byte array. Thus, a 24-bit bitmap starting at upper left with a size of 200x100 will mean that to create the image the bytes are read in groups of 3 to light 200 pixels across the screen. 600 bytes for one line of pixels. Then the next line is read out. It always gets down to simple numbers at some point when you're using computers. (I don't know whether Apple uses the term bitmap, but they're doing it the same way if they're doing raster graphics.) Before it's painted to the screen it's just that byte array. When you enlarge your canvas, what goes on behind the scenes is that the system defines a second device-independent bitmap and then paints your existing bitmap onto it once you decide where in the image you want your original pasted and what color you want the background. It has nothing to do with Windows and nothing to do with any "old way of thinking". Look up raster graphics. The same is true of things like brightening, color pencil plugins, borders, etc. It's all mathematical formulae applied to an array of byte values that represent a pixel grid. So if you enlarge your canvas what actually happens is that your byte array gets enlarged and rebuilt. The software might do that directly, or more likely it will do it by defining a second bitmap and using system API to paint one to the other, then retrieve the resulting byte array. In that case the software is letting the system do the grunt work. Either way, what goes on underneath hasn't changed. Only the GUI changes. That's the trouble with only using Apple tools. You end up thinking that a microwave is the way cooking happens and when someone talks about making spaghetti sauce from scratch on their stove you think they're either ignorant or lying. |
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