Still Got 7 ?

On 12/05/2017 15:27, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 11/05/2017 23:24, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2017 23:01:20 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 08/05/2017 22:35, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 8 May 2017 21:35:57 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 08/05/2017 19:24, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 8 May 2017 17:29:27 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

When I will build myself a new pc in - let's say - 5 years, I
will have
to use W10 as W7 doesn't run properly on new processors. But then
there
will be good tweaking tools.

A guy recently developed a fix for that artificial limitation. Win
7 now
runs properly on current gen CPUs. MS might 'fix' his fix, I suppose.


That looks good. I wasn't aware of that.

I think this is where I first saw it.

http://www.myce.com/news/hack-makes-possible-run-windows-7-intel-kaby-lake-amd-ryzen-cpus-81876/



Thanks.

But there is more involved. I understood it's about USB keyboard and
mouse drivers that won't work with W7 on new CPU's.
And I'm curious where I can download this patch.

I just now downloaded it from the link in the article above.
https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19/releases

I haven't tried it, especially since I don't have one of the new CPUs.
I haven't heard anything about USB KB/Mouse drivers.


I read about this problem in a thread somewhere. I will try to find
which URL it was.
It was about installing W7 with a new cpu. W7 does not recognize the USB
keyboard and mouse.

Fokke

May I quote:

"No, it's a USB interface issue. Windows 7 and below use the EHCI to
talk USB and Kaby Lake / Ryzen don't speak EHCI.
To install you need a USB driver from Intel or AMD that will enable the
Windows installer to speak xHCI."

"win7 wont work out of the package for skylake or kaby lake , with
skylake you had to inject drivers in the win7 image it has something to
do with intel has removed their support for the Enhanced Host Controller
Interface source , which mean no installing from USB from the base image ,
OP id recommend installing win 7 from disc and using a If you are
installing Windows 7 with an optical disc drive and PS/2 keyboard or mouse,"

Url =
https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/com..._on_kaby_lake/

Fokke

On Fri, 12 May 2017 15:32:21 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 12/05/2017 15:27, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 11/05/2017 23:24, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2017 23:01:20 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 08/05/2017 22:35, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 8 May 2017 21:35:57 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 08/05/2017 19:24, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 8 May 2017 17:29:27 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

When I will build myself a new pc in - let's say - 5 years, I
will have
to use W10 as W7 doesn't run properly on new processors. But then
there
will be good tweaking tools.

A guy recently developed a fix for that artificial limitation. Win
7 now
runs properly on current gen CPUs. MS might 'fix' his fix, I suppose.


That looks good. I wasn't aware of that.

I think this is where I first saw it.

http://www.myce.com/news/hack-makes-possible-run-windows-7-intel-kaby-lake-amd-ryzen-cpus-81876/



Thanks.

But there is more involved. I understood it's about USB keyboard and
mouse drivers that won't work with W7 on new CPU's.
And I'm curious where I can download this patch.

I just now downloaded it from the link in the article above.
https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19/releases

I haven't tried it, especially since I don't have one of the new CPUs.
I haven't heard anything about USB KB/Mouse drivers.


I read about this problem in a thread somewhere. I will try to find
which URL it was.
It was about installing W7 with a new cpu. W7 does not recognize the USB
keyboard and mouse.

Fokke

May I quote:

"No, it's a USB interface issue. Windows 7 and below use the EHCI to
talk USB and Kaby Lake / Ryzen don't speak EHCI.
To install you need a USB driver from Intel or AMD that will enable the
Windows installer to speak xHCI."

"win7 wont work out of the package for skylake or kaby lake , with
skylake you had to inject drivers in the win7 image it has something to
do with intel has removed their support for the Enhanced Host Controller
Interface source , which mean no installing from USB from the base image ,
OP id recommend installing win 7 from disc and using a If you are
installing Windows 7 with an optical disc drive and PS/2 keyboard or mouse,"

Url =
https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/com..._on_kaby_lake/

It looks like they're only discussing the 'how to install' aspect of Win
7 on new CPUs, and they discuss a couple of workarounds to the issues.
Either provide the proper USB drivers to the install process, or don't
install from USB at all. Instead, burn the Win 7 image to DVD and pop it
into a drive connected internally, for example. From what I read, once 7
is installed, it works fine.

--

Char Jackson

On 05/11/2017 11:47 PM, J.O. Aho wrote:

[snip]

With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

Number of users do not have anything to do with satisfaction when you
are forced to buy a OS you do not need.


True. The above is the kind of nonsense you often find in advertising.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Q: 'Let us pray for understanding and for compassion.' Picard: 'Let us
do no such damn thing.'"

On 12/05/2017 18:32, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 12 May 2017 15:32:21 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 12/05/2017 15:27, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 11/05/2017 23:24, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2017 23:01:20 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 08/05/2017 22:35, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 8 May 2017 21:35:57 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 08/05/2017 19:24, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 8 May 2017 17:29:27 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

When I will build myself a new pc in - let's say - 5 years, I
will have
to use W10 as W7 doesn't run properly on new processors. But then
there
will be good tweaking tools.

A guy recently developed a fix for that artificial limitation. Win
7 now
runs properly on current gen CPUs. MS might 'fix' his fix, I suppose.


That looks good. I wasn't aware of that.

I think this is where I first saw it.

http://www.myce.com/news/hack-makes-possible-run-windows-7-intel-kaby-lake-amd-ryzen-cpus-81876/



Thanks.

But there is more involved. I understood it's about USB keyboard and
mouse drivers that won't work with W7 on new CPU's.
And I'm curious where I can download this patch.

I just now downloaded it from the link in the article above.
https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19/releases

I haven't tried it, especially since I don't have one of the new CPUs.
I haven't heard anything about USB KB/Mouse drivers.


I read about this problem in a thread somewhere. I will try to find
which URL it was.
It was about installing W7 with a new cpu. W7 does not recognize the USB
keyboard and mouse.

Fokke

May I quote:

"No, it's a USB interface issue. Windows 7 and below use the EHCI to
talk USB and Kaby Lake / Ryzen don't speak EHCI.
To install you need a USB driver from Intel or AMD that will enable the
Windows installer to speak xHCI."

"win7 wont work out of the package for skylake or kaby lake , with
skylake you had to inject drivers in the win7 image it has something to
do with intel has removed their support for the Enhanced Host Controller
Interface source , which mean no installing from USB from the base image ,
OP id recommend installing win 7 from disc and using a If you are
installing Windows 7 with an optical disc drive and PS/2 keyboard or mouse,"

Url =
https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/com..._on_kaby_lake/

It looks like they're only discussing the 'how to install' aspect of Win
7 on new CPUs, and they discuss a couple of workarounds to the issues.
Either provide the proper USB drivers to the install process, or don't
install from USB at all. Instead, burn the Win 7 image to DVD and pop it
into a drive connected internally, for example. From what I read, once 7
is installed, it works fine.


But how would you use your USB keyboard and USB mouse during installing
when the drivers don't work?
That's the problem.

Fokke

On Thu, 18 May 2017 19:10:21 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 12/05/2017 18:32, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 12 May 2017 15:32:21 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 12/05/2017 15:27, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 11/05/2017 23:24, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2017 23:01:20 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 08/05/2017 22:35, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 8 May 2017 21:35:57 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 08/05/2017 19:24, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 8 May 2017 17:29:27 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

When I will build myself a new pc in - let's say - 5 years, I
will have
to use W10 as W7 doesn't run properly on new processors. But then
there
will be good tweaking tools.

A guy recently developed a fix for that artificial limitation. Win
7 now
runs properly on current gen CPUs. MS might 'fix' his fix, I suppose.


That looks good. I wasn't aware of that.

I think this is where I first saw it.

http://www.myce.com/news/hack-makes-possible-run-windows-7-intel-kaby-lake-amd-ryzen-cpus-81876/



Thanks.

But there is more involved. I understood it's about USB keyboard and
mouse drivers that won't work with W7 on new CPU's.
And I'm curious where I can download this patch.

I just now downloaded it from the link in the article above.
https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19/releases

I haven't tried it, especially since I don't have one of the new CPUs.
I haven't heard anything about USB KB/Mouse drivers.


I read about this problem in a thread somewhere. I will try to find
which URL it was.
It was about installing W7 with a new cpu. W7 does not recognize the USB
keyboard and mouse.

Fokke

May I quote:

"No, it's a USB interface issue. Windows 7 and below use the EHCI to
talk USB and Kaby Lake / Ryzen don't speak EHCI.
To install you need a USB driver from Intel or AMD that will enable the
Windows installer to speak xHCI."

"win7 wont work out of the package for skylake or kaby lake , with
skylake you had to inject drivers in the win7 image it has something to
do with intel has removed their support for the Enhanced Host Controller
Interface source , which mean no installing from USB from the base image ,
OP id recommend installing win 7 from disc and using a If you are
installing Windows 7 with an optical disc drive and PS/2 keyboard or mouse,"

Url =
https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/com..._on_kaby_lake/

It looks like they're only discussing the 'how to install' aspect of Win
7 on new CPUs, and they discuss a couple of workarounds to the issues.
Either provide the proper USB drivers to the install process, or don't
install from USB at all. Instead, burn the Win 7 image to DVD and pop it
into a drive connected internally, for example. From what I read, once 7
is installed, it works fine.


But how would you use your USB keyboard and USB mouse during installing
when the drivers don't work?
That's the problem.

I hadn't even considered that since most of my keyboards and mice are
PS/2.

--

Char Jackson