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  #16  
Old May 15th 17, 09:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default LAN Connections in XP

Host #1:
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.11.10(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.11.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.11.1

Host #2:
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

Host #3:
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.8(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

Host #2 just says "IP address", not "IPv4 address". Is host #2 your
Windows XP host?

Does your router actually have 2 DHCP servers to serve different
subnets? I don't remember seeing consumer-grade routers with multiple
DHCP servers. If it has just one DHCP server (likely), what is its IP
address and [sub]netmask values?

Are you chaining routers (one router chains to the main router that goes
to the cable modem)? Are you using an AP (access point) for wi-fi
access that chains to the main router going to the cable modem? If so,
did you leave the DHCP server enabled in the downstream router or AP
instead of having it pass that traffic up to the main router's DHCP
server? If you don't want subnetting then use the downstream router or
AP as a simple switch, not as a router and not using its DHCP server.

Host #1 = 192.168.11.10
Host #2 = 192.168. 0. 2
Host #3 = 192.168. 0. 8
(spaces added only to provide alignment for readability)

You've got 2 hosts on 192.168.0.x and one on 192.168.11.x. Two are have
a 3rd octet of 0 (zero) while one has a 3rd octet of 11. While all of
them use 255.255.255.0 for the subnet mask, that mask only covers
addresses in the 192.168.1.0/24 range (or 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.1.255).
192.168.11.x is outside that range so it is in a different subnet than
for your other two hosts. If you don't want to change the assigned IP
address to each host, you need to change their subnet mask so they are
within the same subnet, like 255.255.0.0 (or 255.255.240.0 at a
minimum).

http://jodies.de/ipcalc?host=192.168...ask1=20&mask2=

To get 11.x into the same subnet as for 0.x, you need the netmask to
have zeros (which bits to ignore or put under the same subnet) under the
maximum significant binary digits for an address. 11 decimal = 1101
binary. That's 4 more digits you want to include in addressing to stay
in the same subnet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnetwork
Traffic is exchanged (routed) between subnetworks with special
gateways (routers) when the routing prefixes of the source address and
the destination address differ. A router constitutes the logical or
physical boundary between the subnets.

That is true *if* the router is configured to allow traffic between its
subnets. Is it?

If you want 11.x and 0.x to be in the same subnet, does your router use
a subnet mask of 255.255.240.0, or lower? If you want one host's IP
address to be in a subnet of another host, their subnet masks must span
a range to include both addresses. The subnet mask defines the
boundaries (addressing range) of an IP subnet. The router might have a
feature to allow traffic between subnets (if enabled). It might not.
Tough to know what is in your network, how devices are chained, and how
they are configured. Subnetting might be the problem. Might not if the
router(s) were configured to pass traffic between them.

For example, the corporate network did not want our high volume of test
traffic to our test hosts on their network. We employed a switch that
simply isolated each subnet. Traffic on the alpha lab's subnet stayed
in the alpha lab's network and did not impinge on the corporate network;
however, select alpha lab hosts in the switch's config were allowed to
connect to the corporate subnet. Routers have switches, too. Traffic
isolation was afforded by restricting traffic across subnets.

Are you sure the printer is configured as a shareable resource on your
Windows XP host? On the host (Windows XP) to which the printer is
attached, go to Control Panel - Printers and Other Hardware - Printers
and Faxes. Right-click on the printer. Under the Sharing tab, is the
printer shared? Under the Additional Drivers button, you have to enable
the driver(s) that each of your other host(s) will use. Also, back
under the Security tab (of the Windows XP host to which the printer is
connected), check the Everyone security group is listed as having Print
permission. Being able to find a printer doesn't necessarily grant
permission to use it. "bought a new Brother printer and connected it to
my XP machine" does not say you installed the device's driver.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../bb457001.aspx
https://www.microsoft.com/resources/....mspx?mfr=true

When you get prompted that you need permissions for Administrator, it is
NOT asking for you to use an admin-level account on the host you are
using. It is asking for the admin on the OTHER host to grant your
permission to connect there. You have to go to other host to which you
are trying to connect (and to which the printer is connected) to grant
the host you are currently using to connect that other host.

For whatever account name under which you log under on one host, did you
define an account on Windows XP by the same name and password?
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  #17  
Old May 15th 17, 03:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc
Shadow
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Default LAN Connections in XP

On Mon, 15 May 2017 03:11:48 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:


Host #1 = 192.168.11.10
Host #2 = 192.168. 0. 2
Host #3 = 192.168. 0. 8


You made the same mistake I did.
192.168.11.10 was the IP of another poster trying to help

Only

192.168.0.2 and
192.168.0.8

were from the OP. He can't ping 192.168.0.8 from 192.168.0.2
(his computer), but he can see the router at 192.168.0.1, so I'd say a
firewall issue.
He didn't post the ping from 192.168.0.8 and 192.168.0.2 to
the router, so I'm at a lost as to whether the firewall block is at
the router or his machine.
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  #18  
Old May 16th 17, 05:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc
Steve Hayes[_2_]
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Default LAN Connections in XP

On Mon, 15 May 2017 11:28:17 -0300, Shadow wrote:

He didn't post the ping from 192.168.0.8 and 192.168.0.2 to
the router, so I'm at a lost as to whether the firewall block is at
the router or his machine.
[]'s


Here you go:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Steveping 192.168.0.1

Pinging 192.168.0.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.0.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms


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  #19  
Old May 16th 17, 05:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc
Lucifer Morningstar
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Default LAN Connections in XP

On Tue, 16 May 2017 06:34:37 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Mon, 15 May 2017 11:28:17 -0300, Shadow wrote:

He didn't post the ping from 192.168.0.8 and 192.168.0.2 to
the router, so I'm at a lost as to whether the firewall block is at
the router or his machine.
[]'s


Here you go:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Steveping 192.168.0.1

Pinging 192.168.0.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.0.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms


After much Googleing and trying different things I was able to get
my Acer Aspire One with Windows XP to print to my laser printer
which is connected to a desktop running Windows 10.
  #20  
Old May 16th 17, 01:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc
Shadow
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Default LAN Connections in XP

On Tue, 16 May 2017 06:34:37 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Mon, 15 May 2017 11:28:17 -0300, Shadow wrote:

He didn't post the ping from 192.168.0.8 and 192.168.0.2 to
the router, so I'm at a lost as to whether the firewall block is at
the router or his machine.
[]'s


Here you go:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Steveping 192.168.0.1

Pinging 192.168.0.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.0.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms


You forgot 192.168.0.8 (or whatever the other PC's current IP
is) to the router.
[]'s
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  #21  
Old May 17th 17, 04:51 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc
Steve Hayes[_2_]
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Default LAN Connections in XP

On Tue, 16 May 2017 09:29:09 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Tue, 16 May 2017 06:34:37 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Mon, 15 May 2017 11:28:17 -0300, Shadow wrote:

He didn't post the ping from 192.168.0.8 and 192.168.0.2 to
the router, so I'm at a lost as to whether the firewall block is at
the router or his machine.
[]'s


Here you go:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Steveping 192.168.0.1

Pinging 192.168.0.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.0.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms


You forgot 192.168.0.8 (or whatever the other PC's current IP
is) to the router.
[]'s


Thank you, everyone for your help.

Suddenly, with no intervention from me, my XP machine (on which I'm
typing this) is back on the network.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Steveping 192.168.0.8

Pinging 192.168.0.8 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.0.8: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.0.8: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.0.8: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.0.8: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=128

Ping statistics for 192.168.0.8:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 1ms, Maximum = 60ms, Average = 18ms

I don't recall doing anything to cause it to work again.

I had copied some stuff from the web to a spreadsheet, and wanted my
wife to manipulate it, as she is a spreadsheet fundi, and was about to
copy it to a flash drive when she said she could see my computer on
the network again, and so I copied it to the public directory on her
Win 8.1 laptop, and it worked.

I then set up my laptop and pinged it, with the result seen above.


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