Kindof off topic

I have a friend that was running W7 and M$ forced him to upgrade to
W10. He also runs Norton's Antivirus. A couple of days ago, Norton's
did some sort of an erase and removed several of the executable files
from his HDD.
One of the programs reinstalled and all is will with it. The second
one will not install because it thinks that it's installed.
Could someone point me to a registry cleaner, or some other way to
remove the references to said program so that we can reinstall the
program? OR if modifying the registry is a bad idea, provide another
way to force the install. TIA.
R. Wink

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rwwink wrote:
I have a friend that was running W7 and M$ forced him to upgrade to
W10. He also runs Norton's Antivirus. A couple of days ago, Norton's
did some sort of an erase and removed several of the executable files
from his HDD.
One of the programs reinstalled and all is will with it. The second
one will not install because it thinks that it's installed.
Could someone point me to a registry cleaner, or some other way to
remove the references to said program so that we can reinstall the
program? OR if modifying the registry is a bad idea, provide another
way to force the install. TIA.
R. Wink


If you go to Control : Programs and Features, is the item
still listed there ? If you click on the item, does it have

Repair
Uninstall

as options, or only

Uninstall

When programs are installed on your computer, there is an
MSI cache folder. And sometimes, that's what the "Uninstall"
is accessing. Similarly, the MSI can support "repair", which
is an installation over top. The program developer decides
how those work, or if they will be present. Nothing says
a program has to be uninstallable - you can have poorly
made installers that just leave stuff.

In some cases, doing the "Uninstall" from there, will delete
(most) of the files. It probably doesn't hurt, if an empty folder
ProgramName still exists, as a reinstall can still write into
that. And the uninstall file is likely still present on the
machine, and if it did have registry removal code, it would
still be able to clean up.

And the single most important aspect of using the
Programs and Features panel, is the OS will think there
is no program by that name installed, after you run "Uninstall".

One important thing before any "experiment", is your backup.
Does the user have a backup of C: ? If one of your experiments
runs amok, what's your recovery plan ? Make a backup first,
storing the output on some external drive. So if you do decide
to go crazy with some sort of registry cleaner, you have
a recovery plan for later.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

Right now, I'm doing an experiment on Win10. And I have my
image of C: all ready to go, to restore it :-) After the
smoke clears.

Paul

On Thu, 25 May 2017 11:15:37 -0500, rwwink wrote:

I have a friend that was running W7 and M$ forced him to upgrade to
W10.

"forced" ?

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s|b wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2017 11:15:37 -0500, rwwink wrote:

I have a friend that was running W7 and M$ forced him to upgrade to
W10.

"forced" ?

I would guess probably GWX. Not so much "forced" as "didn't realize it was
happening" or "didn't know how to prevent it."

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On 05/25/2017 01:08 PM, Auric__ wrote:
s|b wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2017 11:15:37 -0500, rwwink wrote:

I have a friend that was running W7 and M$ forced him to upgrade to
W10.

"forced" ?

I would guess probably GWX. Not so much "forced" as "didn't realize it was
happening" or "didn't know how to prevent it."


I do know someone who went to be with Win 7, and woke up to fine Win 10
on that PC. Maybe this is "forced" (no choice given). I have Win 7 and
installed "GWX Control panel". She ignored it when I told her about it.

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mustard."

In message , Paul
writes:
rwwink wrote:
[]
Could someone point me to a registry cleaner, or some other way to
remove the references to said program so that we can reinstall the
program? OR if modifying the registry is a bad idea, provide another
way to force the install. TIA.
R. Wink


If you go to Control : Programs and Features, is the item
still listed there ? If you click on the item, does it have
[]
And the single most important aspect of using the
Programs and Features panel, is the OS will think there
is no program by that name installed, after you run "Uninstall".

One important thing before any "experiment", is your backup.
Does the user have a backup of C: ? If one of your experiments
runs amok, what's your recovery plan ? Make a backup first,
storing the output on some external drive. So if you do decide
to go crazy with some sort of registry cleaner, you have
a recovery plan for later.
[]
+1 on the image of C: [it helps if you keep everything but software off
C:, as it makes it smaller, easier to backup, and thus you'll make the
images more often (-:].

I think if you use Revo, even the free version, it lets you run the
prog.'s own uninstaller, so the OS should indeed think that s/w has been
uninstalled. (I think Revo "watches" the uninstaller, to give it hints
where to look more thoroughly than the prog.'s own uninstaller can.)
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Free versions of all of these are available.

Reg Cleaners

Glary Utilities

CCleaner

I found that both are needed for complete cleaning.
Used both dozens of times to clean the reg.
Both offer reg backup before cleaning the reg.

Uninstaller
Revo Uninstaller

All of these will nag from time to time or daily for an upgrade to a
paid version but I just click and IGNORE.

On 25/05/2017 17:15, rwwink wrote:
I have a friend that was running W7 and M$ forced him to upgrade
Your friend must be an idiot; Microsoft never points a gun towards
anybody's head to force using Windows 10;



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writes:
Free versions of all of these are available.

Reg Cleaners

Glary Utilities

CCleaner

I found that both are needed for complete cleaning.
Used both dozens of times to clean the reg.
Both offer reg backup before cleaning the reg.

Do they also have a means to make an emergency boot disc, so you can get
to a point where you can restore the reg backup if they do a "clean"
that stops Windows booting?

Uninstaller
Revo Uninstaller

All of these will nag from time to time or daily for an upgrade to a
paid version but I just click and IGNORE.

Revo _is_ good. (I can just never remember how to make is run when there
_isn't_ an entry in add/remove [or whatever that's called this week].)
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On 05/25/17 22:26, Good Guy wrote:
On 25/05/2017 17:15, rwwink wrote:
I have a friend that was running W7 and M$ forced him to upgrade
Your friend must be an idiot; Microsoft never points a gun towards
anybody's head to force using Windows 10;

There been updates which has been forcing to upgrade from ms-win-8 to
ms-win-10, but the update has been removed as the reaction was quite
negative. Had things been open source, this kind of thing would not have
happen, people would have forked the project a long time ago and started
to fix the badly written code.

rwwink wrote:

I have a friend ...

Many times this means themself. What did you do?

... that was running W7 and M$ forced him to upgrade to
W10. He also runs Norton's Antivirus. A couple of days ago, Norton's
did some sort of an erase and removed several of the executable files
from his HDD.

One of the programs reinstalled and all is will with it. The second
one will not install because it thinks that it's installed.
Could someone point me to a registry cleaner, or some other way to
remove the references to said program so that we can reinstall the
program? OR if modifying the registry is a bad idea, provide another
way to force the install. TIA.
R. Wink

See my reply to sb on how to revert back to Windows 7. If the user
intends to stay with Windows 10, why aren't you asking there?

If the program added a entry into the crypto hive in the registry, the
user cannot delete it. User-mode access, like with regedit.exe, will
not access to the crypto hive. Otherwise, just use regedit.exe to
search on the program's name or vendor name to find the registry entries
for the program. Be careful what you delete. If it is a well-known
program, other programs might know about it and have entries under them
(e.g., some AVs will track installs). Make sure that you don't bother
with entries under HKLM/System/ControlSetxxx (where xxx is a number)
unless you know which one is the current subtree. Just edit under
HKLM/System/CurrentControlSet which is a pseudo-tree redirected from
whichever of the other two is the current one.

Some programs employ other-party software to control licensing. You
won't find those keys by searching on the product or vendor name. I've
seen that often used with trialware so the product cannot be reinstalled
after the trial expires. Registry cleaners rarely get rid of those
related registry entries. Only those that record what changes were made
during an installation will know what all to remove; however, since they
record all registry changes, any made by other processes running
concurrently with the installation will have their entries recorded,
too. So you have to be careful when using the recorded installation log
that you remove or ignore entries that were not made by the installer.
Such logging will log all changes. They take a snapshot before and
after the installation, so any and all registry changes are recorded in
their log. I don't know of any that installs a driver to monitor
changes made only by a specific process.

If this is a non-pirated program, is there a reason the user cannot call
the program's owner to ask how to get the new install to work?

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Auric__ wrote:

s|b wrote:

On Thu, 25 May 2017 11:15:37 -0500, rwwink wrote:

I have a friend that was running W7 and M$ forced him to upgrade to
W10.

"forced" ?

I would guess probably GWX. Not so much "forced" as "didn't realize it was
happening" or "didn't know how to prevent it."

More like the user goes clicking on dialog buttons without first reading
them or comprehending what they are telling the user. That's also how
some users end up with Google Chrome: they don't read the installer
screens where Chrome was bundled or they click on any dialog shown in
their web browser to do an install of Chrome.

GWX Control Panel Installation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVC_g3wRP48

Upgrade Now and Upgrade Later means the user is still choosing to do the
upgrade. You kill the process (and get rid of GWX) or, as the video
mentions, you use the X window close button to exit the app. Lots of
users think they have to click on one of those two button. Well,
clicking on Upgrade Later still means the upgrade will happen. The
window may change what it presents so the user memorizing the button
positions and functions might click on one of them. This behavior is
why GWX is identified as malware by the user community but anti-virus
vendors refused to identify it as malware (many are Microsoft Partners).

Of course, only those users that accept every update shoved at them by
Microsoft are going to get stuck with GWX. If the user reviews EACH
update and investigates what it does, they don't end up with GWX.
Discussions about eliminating GWX has been around a long time, and so
have the utilities to thwart it, like GWX Control Panel (which I used
for awhile until Microsoft stopped pushing the app as an update).

This same user that somehow accidentally got moved to Windows 10 is
likely also a user that does not schedule backups to ensure they can
restore their computer back to a prior state. So they are stuck with
using the uninstall of Windows 10 - but that is available only for 30
days after which Windows 10 will delete the repository for where the
prior Windows version was stored.

Uninstall Windows 10 and Downgrade to Windows 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOzfv6qszuo

However, when they are back on Windows 7, and because they don't review
updates but instead swallow everything Microsoft pushes at them and may
even have WU configured for automatic updating, they possibly could end
up screwed over again. Microsoft stopped pushing GWX so the lazy user
might be safe once reverted back to Windows 7.

To expand what happened...inexperienced user, very little computer
experience. No backups. M$ pushed W10 and he didn't know the
difference.
The program is not show in the control panel so there is "NO"
uninstall, repair or reinstall options. All the files, except for the
executable are on the drive. The program apparently detects something
in the registry and will not let it be installed, even after removal
the files and directory.
R Wink

On Thu, 25 May 2017 11:15:37 -0500, rwwink wrote:

I have a friend that was running W7 and M$ forced him to upgrade to
W10. He also runs Norton's Antivirus. A couple of days ago, Norton's
did some sort of an erase and removed several of the executable files
from his HDD.
One of the programs reinstalled and all is will with it. The second
one will not install because it thinks that it's installed.
Could someone point me to a registry cleaner, or some other way to
remove the references to said program so that we can reinstall the
program? OR if modifying the registry is a bad idea, provide another
way to force the install. TIA.
R. Wink

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On 26/05/2017 01:48, rwwink wrote:
To expand what happened...inexperienced user, very little computer
experience.
You mean like you? Please clarify.

No backups. M$ pushed W10 and he didn't know the
difference.
The program is not show in the control panel so there is "NO"
uninstall, repair or reinstall options. All the files, except for the
executable are on the drive.
Just cut the crap and take the machine to a repair shop and they will
fix it for you. Don't waste your time because you won't understand a
thing what "experts" here will tell you to do.



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rwwink wrote:

To expand what happened...inexperienced user, very little computer
experience. No backups. M$ pushed W10 and he didn't know the
difference.
The program is not show in the control panel so there is "NO"
uninstall, repair or reinstall options.

Although mentioned in another article, here's another one:
https://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how...dows-7-or-8.1/

If this friend allowed the free upgrade, the option to uninstall
disappeared long ago:
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/rollba...-after-30-days

Apparently your friend installed Windows 10 and more than 30 days
elapsed without your friend electing to uninstall the upgrade. The
giveaway ended way back on 20-July-2016. The user was hardly "forced"
to move to Windows 10 since he kept it this long. So this friend
upgraded to Windows 10, kept it for almost a year now, and would've had
the problem with the uninstallable program ever since.

All the files, except for the executable are on the drive. The
program apparently detects something in the registry and will not let
it be installed, even after removal the files and directory.

- Is it a secret program? Is it vertical market software so no one here
would know about it? If secret or vertical market, it won't be in
Revo Uninstaller's database, and your friend didn't buy the payware
version to have it monitor the program's installation back on Windows
7 (to figure out what registry entries it added or changed).
- Does the program actually support Windows 10?
- What is the bitwidth of the secret program? What is the bitwidth of
Windows 10? 32-bit Windows support 16- and 32-bit programs. 64-bit
Windows supports 32- and 64-bit programs.
- Has your friend called the software owner to inquire on how to
reinstall under Windows 10?