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Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8
mike wrote:
chrisv wrote: mike wrote: It only takes one "gottahave" to nix the exit to desktop linux. Most every windows desktop user has at least one "gottahave" that renders linux unacceptable FOR THEM. Many do, yes, but many only think they do. MSO is a prominent example of software that many home users think that they need, but the fact is that most do not. Without a doubt, many more people could do just fine with GNU/Linux than what are using it today. They just don't know it. I see that you're forcing YOUR choices onto others. I see that you are a bald-faced liar. One more like that and I'm sending you deep, "mike". Choice is only helpful if it's MY choice. -- "Typical shifty freetard response as expected." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark |
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Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 AndWindows 8
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote:
mike wrote: I never advocated fewer choices. "Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike" (remainder snipped, unread) I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all. Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia" somewhere, comrad. Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches. But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the commercial/ consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing. -- Lloyd |
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:15:17 -0500, chrisv wrote:
mike wrote: chrisv wrote: mike wrote: It only takes one "gottahave" to nix the exit to desktop linux. Most every windows desktop user has at least one "gottahave" that renders linux unacceptable FOR THEM. Many do, yes, but many only think they do. MSO is a prominent example of software that many home users think that they need, but the fact is that most do not. Without a doubt, many more people could do just fine with GNU/Linux than what are using it today. They just don't know it. I see that you're forcing YOUR choices onto others. I see that you are a bald-faced liar. One more like that and I'm sending you deep, "mike". Choice is only helpful if it's MY choice. and another truth that chrisv doesn't like and he posts about it from windows again. -- Lloyd |
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chrisv wrote: mike wrote: chrisv wrote: mike wrote: It only takes one "gottahave" to nix the exit to desktop linux. Most every windows desktop user has at least one "gottahave" that renders linux unacceptable FOR THEM. Many do, yes, but many only think they do. MSO is a prominent example of software that many home users think that they need, but the fact is that most do not. Without a doubt, many more people could do just fine with GNU/Linux than what are using it today. They just don't know it. I see that you're forcing YOUR choices onto others. I see that you are a bald-faced liar. One more like that and I'm sending you deep, "mike". Choice is only helpful if it's MY choice. -- "Typical shifty freetard response as expected." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark |
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On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote: mike wrote: I never advocated fewer choices. "Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike" (remainder snipped, unread) I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all. Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia" somewhere, comrad. Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches. But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the commercial/ consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing. Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly in the rest. As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer world will grow. http://thevarguy.com/open-source-app...ercent-dell-pc http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx India is switching over also. -- Caver1 |
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Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 AndWindows 8
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote:
On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote: mike wrote: I never advocated fewer choices. "Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike" (remainder snipped, unread) I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all. Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia" somewhere, comrad. Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches. But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the commercial/ consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing. Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly in the rest. Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in total. As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer world will grow. That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more than a pipe dream. http://thevarguy.com/open-source-app...panies/091515/ ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx India is switching over also. The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear every year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time next year, there will be another story similar to it. But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same. -- Lloyd |
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Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8
On 09/16/2015 05:40 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote: On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote: mike wrote: I never advocated fewer choices. "Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike" (remainder snipped, unread) I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all. Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia" somewhere, comrad. Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches. But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the commercial/ consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing. Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly in the rest. Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in total. No correction needed. As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer world will grow. That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more than a pipe dream. http://thevarguy.com/open-source-app...panies/091515/ ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx India is switching over also. The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear every year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time next year, there will be another story similar to it. But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same. Nobody said anything about a year. Just showing that Linux is growing in large chunks. Who care about market share. Most Linux distros aren't sold so are not part of the "market" By the way that is just two examples. -- Caver1 |
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Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 AndWindows 8
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:45:45 -0400, Caver1 wrote:
On 09/16/2015 05:40 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote: On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote: mike wrote: I never advocated fewer choices. "Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike" (remainder snipped, unread) I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all. Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia" somewhere, comrad. Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches. But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the commercial/ consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing. Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly in the rest. Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in total. No correction needed. As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer world will grow. That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more than a pipe dream. http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software- companies/091515/ ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx India is switching over also. The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear every year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time next year, there will be another story similar to it. But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same. Nobody said anything about a year. Just showing that Linux is growing in large chunks. Who care about market share. Most Linux distros aren't sold so are not part of the "market" By the way that is just two examples. Except for the fact that it isn't growing by even small chunks, you are absolutely correct. And I'd say give it 5 years and it might just make 1.55% at the rate it is growing now. -- Lloyd |
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On 09/16/2015 06:18 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:45:45 -0400, Caver1 wrote: On 09/16/2015 05:40 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote: On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote: mike wrote: I never advocated fewer choices. "Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike" (remainder snipped, unread) I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all. Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia" somewhere, comrad. Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches. But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the commercial/ consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing. Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly in the rest. Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in total. No correction needed. As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer world will grow. That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more than a pipe dream. http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software- companies/091515/ ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx India is switching over also. The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear every year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time next year, there will be another story similar to it. But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same. Nobody said anything about a year. Just showing that Linux is growing in large chunks. Who care about market share. Most Linux distros aren't sold so are not part of the "market" By the way that is just two examples. Except for the fact that it isn't growing by even small chunks, you are absolutely correct. And I'd say give it 5 years and it might just make 1.55% at the rate it is growing now. When it grows at the rate of 20-25000 at one time I would say that is large chunks. -- Caver1 |
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Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 AndWindows 8
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 18:27:17 -0400, Caver1 wrote:
On 09/16/2015 06:18 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:45:45 -0400, Caver1 wrote: On 09/16/2015 05:40 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote: On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote: mike wrote: I never advocated fewer choices. "Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike" (remainder snipped, unread) I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all. Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia" somewhere, comrad. Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches. But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the commercial/ consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing. Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly in the rest. Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in total. No correction needed. As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer world will grow. That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more than a pipe dream. http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software- companies/091515/ ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx India is switching over also. The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear every year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time next year, there will be another story similar to it. But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same. Nobody said anything about a year. Just showing that Linux is growing in large chunks. Who care about market share. Most Linux distros aren't sold so are not part of the "market" By the way that is just two examples. Except for the fact that it isn't growing by even small chunks, you are absolutely correct. And I'd say give it 5 years and it might just make 1.55% at the rate it is growing now. When it grows at the rate of 20-25000 at one time I would say that is large chunks. When that actually happens let me know. Sure hasn't happened yet. -- Lloyd |
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On 9/16/2015 2:45 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 09/16/2015 05:40 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote: On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote: mike wrote: I never advocated fewer choices. "Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike" (remainder snipped, unread) I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all. Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia" somewhere, comrad. Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches. But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the commercial/ consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing. Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly in the rest. Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in total. No correction needed. As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer world will grow. That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more than a pipe dream. http://thevarguy.com/open-source-app...panies/091515/ ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx India is switching over also. The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear every year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time next year, there will be another story similar to it. But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same. Nobody said anything about a year. Just showing that Linux is growing in large chunks. Who care about market share. Most Linux distros aren't sold so are not part of the "market" By the way that is just two examples. Nice sound bite. Would be much more persuasive if the article had stated how many units. 42% of how many units. And how does that compare to the population of China? These articles find some niche and extrapolate that to desktop linux success. Many of the "successes" have been in cases where some organization created an appliance based on linux and forced the organization to comply. That's an excellent application for linux. Gurus install/configure/maintain the appliance optimized for the work of the user. That's great. Linux deserves to used on the desktop. If it saves my tax dollars so the government can spend it on other crap I don't need, I'm all for it. But, that's a far cry from joe average making the decision to use linux as his only computing platform on his home desktop. Many are not willing to risk leaping into that deep/dark chasm that is the linux desktop experience. Once you get past surfing the web, the "choices" are mind boggling. A little organization on the part of developers could make a huge change in that overnight. They just don't want to. And that's sad. |
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On 09/16/15 10:51, chrisv so wittily quipped:
Big Bad Bob wrote: chrisv wrote: Without a doubt, many more people could do just fine with GNU/Linux than what are using it today. They just don't know it. that's where *MARKETING* would come in nicely. Yes, but... But such a thing does NOT exist (that I'm aware of) for Linux and other open source operating systems (like BSD). It's a two-edged sword - the product is free, but this means that there is no money for marketing. what to do about THAT then... *SOMEHOW* there can be a way to MONETIZE open source operating systems... I think that if INTEL wants to sell computers, and MICROSOFT is SCREWING THE POOCH, that maybe it's time for Intel and AMD and Lenovo and HP and Acer and others to, well, *COUGH* *UP* *SOME* *CASH* and get a marketing campaign going for Linux, and they [and we] ALL benefit! |
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On 09/16/15 11:23, Anonymous so wittily quipped:
Linux Mint does a great job of most of these things, just needs a bit more fine tuning. and it doesn't look like gnome 3 or unity. Complicated consumes time and entertains, simple sells. possibly, possibly not. you can have BOTH, I think (both complex AND simple), by use of default and advanced configs. |
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