Goodbye Linux: Why am ditching linux and going back to Windows 10

In article , Chris
wrote:


This time I needed 3 reboots on Windows, about 12 hours.


In fact Linux doesn't even do multiple reboots on a new distribution
release update...

I can't remember for sure, but I think the Mac does a couple of reboots
with full OS updates. It's completely unattended, mind, and only takes 40
minutes or so.

normally only once unless there's an update to efi, which is rare.

incremental updates are typically a few minutes.

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Ken Springer wrote:
[...]. Computers are not unlimited in their power.

Having seen what a dystopian nightmare that usually brings about, this
is a good thing .


I think many respondents to this and other newsgroups have higher end
systems. And they've forgotten what it's like to run a minimalist, bog
slow laptop, and how long it takes for that type of system to accomplish
the same tasks.

200* - era laptop and a couple dell r480 servers here. The terminal is
my friend.

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On 11/10/2019 13.16, Bud Frede wrote:
"Carlos E.R." writes:

On 07/10/2019 19.40, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


and didn't you say you don't use windows?

Most of the time. Close to 95%.
There are some proprietary tools that are Windows only, so not my choice.


The only time I touch Windows these days is when I have to RDP into a
customer's system, and it always makes me feel like I've got one eye
blindfolded and one arm tied behind my back. :-)

:-)

(I support an application that runs on a number of UNIX and unix-like
OSs, as well as Windows. The developer uses Linux and that's what's
recommended, but some people want to run it on Windows. Oh well, it's
their money.)

Well, for instance I buy ebooks with DRM. That means that they either
come via Kobo, or via Adobe. In the former case, I may download them via
wifi direct to my ebook, but in the second case not. Then sometimes I
need to run updates to the device.

All that requires Windows.


Similarly, till recently my TomTom car navigator could only be updated
(maps) via its own application on Windows.

Those are the two things that force me to use Windows.


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Cheers, Carlos.

On 09/10/2019 02.02, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 19:44:52 -0400, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 16:09:24 -0400, Paul wrote:

The situation in question, is when Windows Update opens
20 connections to the Microsoft server. This allows one
machine on your LAN (the one running Windows Update),
to "starve" machines which are only opening one connection
while you web surf.

It *is* possible for a Windows 10 machine to degrade the
interactive user experience on a second machine. And it's
based on the round robin serving method of your home
router.

Is that in theory, or observed? I'm guessing it's mostly theory.

Once a month or so, I fire up 20-something VMs, with 10-12-14 of them being
Win 10 on a bad day, and I kick off a simultaneous Check For Updates on
each of them. I see increased utilization of CPU, RAM, and drive(s) on the
VM host, but I never see any effect on network responsiveness. Not on the
VM host, and not on any other PCs that happen to be active at the moment.
I'd say that a router that struggles with 20 connections, or 100
connections, is likely to be of 2001 vintage or otherwise has issues of its
own.


It's observed actually.

I wouldn't have bothered researching that, if there
wasn't a reason.

Ok, thanks, Paul. I shall remain skeptical.

You are probably using a good router.

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Cheers, Carlos.

On 10/10/2019 13.44, nospam wrote:
In article , Chris
wrote:

worse is if you've got one or more cloud sync services running.
Although,
they are quite easy to pause.

those are separate and take almost no time because the amounts of data
is small.

Really? I must be confused regarding the quantity of data in mine, then.

how much stuff are you syncing on a regular basis?

Did I say this was a regular problem? Nope. Your excessive snipping
doesn't help in maintaining the point of a thread. The whole context is
in scenarios where a machine hasn't been used in a while.

that's not the usual scenario, but in that case, it's expected that
there will be a backlog of updates.

Why do you keep misinterpreting what people say? I didn't say it was a
usual scenario. It is a specific scenario which many people experience
on occasion - see other comments in the thread.

there is no misinterpretation. if it's only on occasion, it's of little
to no impact.


On the contrary. It is on most occasions to people that use Windows
occasionally, impacting us greatly.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Why do you keep misinterpreting what people say? I didn't say it was a
usual scenario. It is a specific scenario which many people experience
on occasion - see other comments in the thread.

there is no misinterpretation. if it's only on occasion, it's of little
to no impact.


On the contrary. It is on most occasions to people that use Windows
occasionally, impacting us greatly.

they are a very small minority of all windows users

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 19:36:32 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 09/10/2019 02.02, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 19:44:52 -0400, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 16:09:24 -0400, Paul wrote:

The situation in question, is when Windows Update opens
20 connections to the Microsoft server. This allows one
machine on your LAN (the one running Windows Update),
to "starve" machines which are only opening one connection
while you web surf.

It *is* possible for a Windows 10 machine to degrade the
interactive user experience on a second machine. And it's
based on the round robin serving method of your home
router.

Is that in theory, or observed? I'm guessing it's mostly theory.

Once a month or so, I fire up 20-something VMs, with 10-12-14 of them being
Win 10 on a bad day, and I kick off a simultaneous Check For Updates on
each of them. I see increased utilization of CPU, RAM, and drive(s) on the
VM host, but I never see any effect on network responsiveness. Not on the
VM host, and not on any other PCs that happen to be active at the moment.
I'd say that a router that struggles with 20 connections, or 100
connections, is likely to be of 2001 vintage or otherwise has issues of its
own.


It's observed actually.

I wouldn't have bothered researching that, if there
wasn't a reason.

Ok, thanks, Paul. I shall remain skeptical.

You are probably using a good router.

I suppose, but it hasn't been intentional.

Routers that I've used over the years:
Linksys BEFSR11
Linksys BEFSR41
Linksys WRT54G
Linksys WRT54GL
TP-Link Archer C9

Nothing particularly high end there, and that list goes back nearly two
decades.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 19:36:32 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
....
Routers that I've used over the years:
Linksys BEFSR11
Linksys BEFSR41
Linksys WRT54G
Linksys WRT54GL
TP-Link Archer C9

Nothing particularly high end there, and that list goes back nearly two
decades.

With open source firmwares or stock firmwares?
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On 2019-10-08, Paul wrote:
Chris wrote:
nospam wrote:

downloading (or uploading) anything in the background has no noticeable
effect on windows, mac ios or android.

Wrong (again).

The situation in question, is when Windows Update opens
20 connections to the Microsoft server. This allows one
machine on your LAN (the one running Windows Update),
to "starve" machines which are only opening one connection
while you web surf.

It *is* possible for a Windows 10 machine to degrade the
interactive user experience on a second machine. And it's
based on the round robin serving method of your home
router.

You can modify the number of connections that Windows Updates
opens. In Pro, you use GPEDIT for this.

Neither BITS nor DoSVC has ideal network traffic control,
so these policies are "approximations" to the control
you might desire.

https://i.postimg.cc/B6Kby0kS/thrott...GPEDIT-MSC.gif

Paul
20 connections is nothing to sneeze off. Typical torrent client opens
2-3k connections no problem...

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On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 23:26:14 -0500, NT (Ant) wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 19:36:32 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
...
Routers that I've used over the years:
Linksys BEFSR11
Linksys BEFSR41
Linksys WRT54G
Linksys WRT54GL
TP-Link Archer C9

Nothing particularly high end there, and that list goes back nearly two
decades.

With open source firmwares or stock firmwares?

Linksys BEFSR11 - stock
Linksys BEFSR41 - stock
Linksys WRT54G - stock and later dd-wrt
Linksys WRT54GL - exclusively dd-wrt
TP-Link Archer C9 - stock

On 11/10/2019 19.52, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Why do you keep misinterpreting what people say? I didn't say it was a
usual scenario. It is a specific scenario which many people experience
on occasion - see other comments in the thread.

there is no misinterpretation. if it's only on occasion, it's of little
to no impact.


On the contrary. It is on most occasions to people that use Windows
occasionally, impacting us greatly.

they are a very small minority of all windows users

Maybe. But we were specifically talking of those cases.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 10/12/19 9:58 AM, Bud Frede wrote:
"Carlos E.R." writes:

On 11/10/2019 13.16, Bud Frede wrote:

The only time I touch Windows these days is when I have to RDP into a
customer's system, and it always makes me feel like I've got one eye
blindfolded and one arm tied behind my back. :-)



Well, for instance I buy ebooks with DRM. That means that they either
come via Kobo, or via Adobe. In the former case, I may download them via
wifi direct to my ebook, but in the second case not. Then sometimes I
need to run updates to the device.

I had some bad experiences with Kobo, and Adobe sucks too. I use a
Kindle, but I sideload it since I don't want it to phone home on
wifi. (I don't configure wifi on it and keep it in airplane mode as
well.)

So far I've been able to do everything I need to with the Kindle on
Linux.


All that requires Windows.

I don't know if it's changed or not, but the Kobo used to require that
you use a Windows app just to get it setup and usable. I had access to a
Windows system at work where I could do that, but it wasn't a good start
to my short period of Kobo ownership.



Similarly, till recently my TomTom car navigator could only be updated
(maps) via its own application on Windows.

I had an old Garmin GPS that needed a special app to update. I gave it
to my brother and I think he found the app was available for the Mac so
he was able to use it.

I was given a Garmin nuvi 50. On first power-on, it wanted to update
using the Garmin website. The website wanted to load a windows (or Mac)
app. I contacted Garmin Tech, and they said they don't support Linux.

After some googl'ing, I found that all I needed to do was put one (or
more) open source maps on a micro SD card and slot it into the GPS unit.
It now works great. When it starts, it finds it's original map data plus
the data from two other maps I put on the SD card.



Those are the two things that force me to use Windows.

Yes, it's always about the applications. If the apps you use only exist
on a given OS, then you have to use it.

I don't really hate Windows, and if other people prefer using it then
that's fine. I just don't really like using it myself.

I'm glad that I don't currently own anything that would require me to
use Windows. At this point I'd have to want something pretty badly
before I'd buy it if it was dependent on Windows.

When I dropped Windows XP in favor of Linux (Lubuntu- I use older
hardware), I converted one machine and started checking compatibility
with owned hardware and software. My toughest issues were with my Epson
scanner and Lightscribe burners. Once those devices were sorted, I
dumped Windows completely.


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On 12/10/2019 15.58, Bud Frede wrote:
"Carlos E.R." writes:

On 11/10/2019 13.16, Bud Frede wrote:

The only time I touch Windows these days is when I have to RDP into a
customer's system, and it always makes me feel like I've got one eye
blindfolded and one arm tied behind my back. :-)



Well, for instance I buy ebooks with DRM. That means that they either
come via Kobo, or via Adobe. In the former case, I may download them via
wifi direct to my ebook, but in the second case not. Then sometimes I
need to run updates to the device.

I had some bad experiences with Kobo, and Adobe sucks too. I use a
Kindle, but I sideload it since I don't want it to phone home on
wifi. (I don't configure wifi on it and keep it in airplane mode as
well.)

So far I've been able to do everything I need to with the Kindle on
Linux.

Including buying and reading DRM protected ebooks in epub format?




All that requires Windows.

I don't know if it's changed or not, but the Kobo used to require that
you use a Windows app just to get it setup and usable.

Correct.
There was for some time a Linux tool, made privately by one of the
support team, but then he was moved to another post and he stopped
supporting it.

Most of the times the device can be maintained using WiFi, though (it
doesn't demand a permanent connection, so I keep it off till needed).

No, the only thing I dislike about the thing is the battery. Mine needs
replacement, and I refuse on principle to buy another reader every while.

I had access to a
Windows system at work where I could do that, but it wasn't a good start
to my short period of Kobo ownership.

Well, most laptops come with Windows; I have been unable to find one
without it in these parts, so I just keep and use it when I must. Also,
at the days I bought the device I was guest at somebody else's home and
I only had their Windows machine available.




Similarly, till recently my TomTom car navigator could only be updated
(maps) via its own application on Windows.

I had an old Garmin GPS that needed a special app to update. I gave it
to my brother and I think he found the app was available for the Mac so
he was able to use it.

My current TomTom I have not ever connected to the computer, doesn't
need it.



Those are the two things that force me to use Windows.

Yes, it's always about the applications. If the apps you use only exist
on a given OS, then you have to use it.

Yep.

I don't really hate Windows, and if other people prefer using it then
that's fine. I just don't really like using it myself.

I just use it when I must, which means I have to keep it updated.
Actually, I found Windows 7 to be surprisingly good, and I don't find
Windows 10 specially bad, even good (as far as Windows goes ;-) ). But I
hate some features, like being impossible to deactivate automated
updates on the home edition, or not being possible to do *all* pending
updates at a moment of my choice and as fast as possible.


I'm glad that I don't currently own anything that would require me to
use Windows. At this point I'd have to want something pretty badly
before I'd buy it if it was dependent on Windows.

I forgot my Nikon camera. Does not "demand" Windows, but the
manufacturer apps are Windows only; the few times I do postprocessing
their tools are easier to use. WHEN they work.



--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
Bud Frede wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:

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Well, most laptops come with Windows; I have been unable to find one
without it in these parts, so I just keep and use it when I must.

You can install linux on a laptop if you want.

----snip----

Yes, it's always about the applications. If the apps you use only exist
on a given OS, then you have to use it.

Yep.

In spades! I have a Matrox capture card that won't run under anything
but Windows 2000 or XP. So I run XP.

I don't really hate Windows, and if other people prefer using it then
that's fine. I just don't really like using it myself.

I just use it when I must, which means I have to keep it updated.

Not so, if you're willing to keep it blind to the internet. All that
means is assign its gateway address as that of a machine that doesn't
do packet forwarding. You can still network with it, so far as you
can with Windows.

Actually, I found Windows 7 to be surprisingly good, and I don't find
Windows 10 specially bad, even good (as far as Windows goes ;-) ). But I
hate some features, like being impossible to deactivate automated
updates on the home edition, or not being possible to do *all* pending
updates at a moment of my choice and as fast as possible.

I use Windows XP, Vista and 7. I replaced the Windows 8.1 hard drive
in my most recent laptop with a 1 GB drive and installed Slackware
Linux 14.2 and Windows 7. I had to get some drivers from the Sony
website for 'Doze, but otherwise it went as sweet as pie.

And yes, Windows 7 is a good system, as Microsoft products go.

----snip----

Bud Frede wrote:

I can buy books from Amazon, download them, and transfer
them to my Kindle.

You can buy Amazon ebooks directly on the Kindle no
transferring needed.

I tend to avoid DRMed ebooks anyway.

It used to be relatively easy to remove the DRM from Amazon
ebooks. I haven't tried recently though.

I'd rather buy from publishers that respect me.

My attitude was that since I bought the ebooks I owned them
and they should be DRM free. But then I figured why bother
removing the DRM since it makes absolutely no difference to
me when reading them on my devices so I gave it up.

I do have a Chromebook that someone gave me. I wonder if
I could do DRM epubs on it if I needed to? Maybe I'll
have to check the next time I use it.

My Chromebook runs both the Android Kindle and Google (Play
Books) readers just fine. Dunno about DRM epubs but if it works
on Android it'll likely work on your Chromebook...