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  #31  
Old February 27th 15, 10:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 07:43:01 -0500, Keith Nuttle wrote:

I sometime think the technogeeks use confusing language to keep the
mystery in computers, so they can continue getting their big pay checks.


I sometimes think the technogeeks and other engineers use technical
language so they can communicate easily & precisely. The people who are
confused are those who are not familiar with the discipline in question,
and so they are naturally unfamiliar with the jargon.

Rather than accusing people of trying to confuse you, you would be
better off learning the discipline and the jargon.

This applies to me just as much as it does to you. Talk to me about
cricket and see how well I do...Or even (American) football, come to
think of it, and I'm American & living in the US.

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Old February 27th 15, 10:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:53:05 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

Along those lines, I wish a certain lady would stop calling me to tell me
that the Internet is down. Ma'am, the Internet isn't down. :-)

In her case, she seems to pick up malware every month or so that hijacks IE
and points it at a proxy server. MBAM cleans it up, but doesn't reset IE's
proxy settings, so IE points to a dead proxy and no pages load. Easy fix,
and much easier than bringing up the Internet if it were down.


Now *there's* a project you might consider taking on.

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Old February 27th 15, 10:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:18:54 -0700, scarecrow wrote:

Stormin' Norman wrote:

scarecrow wrote:


1. If you ask any non-technical person how much memory his tablet has
he will invariably give you the storage memory, not RAM.

2. Tell any technical person that your tablet has 32GB of memory and
he will invariably understand that you mean storage memory. not RAM.

So in my case when I said my tablet has 32GB of memory both the tech
and non-tech people should have understood me if 1 and 2 above are
reasonable assumptions.


Any engineer / technician worth their daily salt will never make assumptions.


I notice that you didn't refute my assumptions. Perhaps because
they're not only reasonable but invariably true.

If something is in doubt,


But nothing was in doubt in my particular statement. Or did I actually
confuse you and you thought that my Asus tablet actually had 32 GB of
RAM?

the problem solver is responsible for clarifying the
issue. If clarifying assertions of the customer is too tedious, then the
service provider should find a new occupation or hobby as they will end up
making errors, doing harm or wasting resources. IMHO.


And if one was confused that my (or any) tablet actually has 32 GB of
RAM then perhaps they are the one who should be looking for another
hobby or occupation. IMHO.


You have used the word "invariably" several times now.

It's a *very* strong claim. I *very* strongly doubt that it's correct.

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Old February 27th 15, 10:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:28:33 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:15:14 -0700, scarecrow
wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote:

"Memory" is usually reserved to mean RAM and storage to mean a disk
drive or equivalent.


Your key word there is "usually". But RAM a better term and leaves no
doubt. As perhaps storage would have been in my post.


Yes, my point exactly.


But when I was complaining about my memory starved 32 GB T100 computer
did you really have any doubt as to what I meant?


As I said, "In this case, I didn't have any trouble understanding what
you meant, but it's very easy to mislead and confuse people if you
don't correctly differentiate between the two terms." I don't want to
speak for Gene, but I greatly doubt whether he had any trouble either.


By now I am confused. Did I even notice? Not sure :-)

I think I remember thinking he meant flash storage, not memory, but
after this bit of back-and-forth I can't untangle all my thoughts.

BTW, both my cellphone and my tablet refer to the internal flash card as
"Device Memory". Please do *not* show this to scarecrow.

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Old February 27th 15, 10:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:14:17 -0800, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:18:54 -0700, scarecrow
wrote:

Stormin' Norman wrote:

scarecrow wrote:


1. If you ask any non-technical person how much memory his tablet has
he will invariably give you the storage memory, not RAM.

2. Tell any technical person that your tablet has 32GB of memory and
he will invariably understand that you mean storage memory. not RAM.

So in my case when I said my tablet has 32GB of memory both the tech
and non-tech people should have understood me if 1 and 2 above are
reasonable assumptions.

Any engineer / technician worth their daily salt will never make assumptions.


I notice that you didn't refute my assumptions. Perhaps because
they're not only reasonable but invariably true.


No, probably because it is not worth arguing.



Right! I don't want to waste any more of my time on this; I'm done
with him. He's welcome to believe whatever he wants.

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Old February 27th 15, 10:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:37:11 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:28:33 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:15:14 -0700, scarecrow
wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote:

"Memory" is usually reserved to mean RAM and storage to mean a disk
drive or equivalent.

Your key word there is "usually". But RAM a better term and leaves no
doubt. As perhaps storage would have been in my post.


Yes, my point exactly.


But when I was complaining about my memory starved 32 GB T100 computer
did you really have any doubt as to what I meant?


As I said, "In this case, I didn't have any trouble understanding what
you meant, but it's very easy to mislead and confuse people if you
don't correctly differentiate between the two terms." I don't want to
speak for Gene, but I greatly doubt whether he had any trouble either.


By now I am confused. Did I even notice? Not sure :-)



Doesn't matter. I've had enough with him.
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Old February 27th 15, 11:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 22:03:02 +0000, Stormin' Norman wrote:

Rather than accusing people of trying to confuse you, you would be
better off learning the discipline and the jargon.


Or at least preface the question with; "I am not sure if I am using the proper
terminology".


Good idea.

You have reminded me of trying to buy an automobile part, or searching
on the Home Depot site for a plumbing item.

I could have added those things in below, where I talked about cricket
and football...

This applies to me just as much as it does to you. Talk to me about
cricket and see how well I do...Or even (American) football, come to
think of it, and I'm American & living in the US.


Gene, if you knew everything, the charm of your participation in these groups
would be lessened tremendously.


Thanks, that is (maybe) a compliment? :-)

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