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  #16  
Old May 7th 15, 10:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Network Phone???

On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:12:15 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my
2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not
a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied.

Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your
wireless router?



Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they
all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for
a tower or network.


If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting.
The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an
IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a
minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and
you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help
you to track it down, as well.



After much searching and playing with router access I find that there
are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can
probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode.
It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will
ignore them now.


That doesn't sound right.

First, why would they be trying to connect to your network? What SSID are
you using that they presumably know? (It's not a security issue for me to
ask that or for you to answer.)

Second, 'trying to connect' wouldn't (shouldn't) result in them showing up
in your router's GUI anywhere. With every router that I've seen, devices
show up after they have already connected, not before that. What kind of
encryption did you say you were using?

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  #17  
Old May 7th 15, 10:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Network Phone???

On 5/7/2015 4:04 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:12:15 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my
2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not
a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied.

Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your
wireless router?



Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they
all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for
a tower or network.

If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting.
The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an
IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a
minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and
you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help
you to track it down, as well.



After much searching and playing with router access I find that there
are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can
probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode.
It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will
ignore them now.


That doesn't sound right.

First, why would they be trying to connect to your network? What SSID are
you using that they presumably know? (It's not a security issue for me to
ask that or for you to answer.)

Second, 'trying to connect' wouldn't (shouldn't) result in them showing up
in your router's GUI anywhere. With every router that I've seen, devices
show up after they have already connected, not before that. What kind of
encryption did you say you were using?



Hi Char, WPA2-psk- eas or close to it is my encryption. My SSID is
Netgear28.

When I right click these devices all I get is their MAC address,
everything else is Unavailable, Which leads me to believe they are not
In, they also don't show up in router access control.

Best Regards, Rene

  #18  
Old May 7th 15, 11:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Network Phone???

On Thu, 07 May 2015 16:34:50 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/7/2015 4:04 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:12:15 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my
2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not
a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied.

Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your
wireless router?



Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they
all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for
a tower or network.

If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting.
The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an
IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a
minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and
you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help
you to track it down, as well.



After much searching and playing with router access I find that there
are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can
probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode.
It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will
ignore them now.


That doesn't sound right.

First, why would they be trying to connect to your network? What SSID are
you using that they presumably know? (It's not a security issue for me to
ask that or for you to answer.)

Second, 'trying to connect' wouldn't (shouldn't) result in them showing up
in your router's GUI anywhere. With every router that I've seen, devices
show up after they have already connected, not before that. What kind of
encryption did you say you were using?



Hi Char, WPA2-psk- eas or close to it is my encryption. My SSID is
Netgear28.

When I right click these devices all I get is their MAC address,
everything else is Unavailable, Which leads me to believe they are not
In, they also don't show up in router access control.


Ok, if you're happy, then I'm happy. Personally, if it were me, I wouldn't
be satisfied.

WPA2-PSK is fairly secure, but it can be hacked if a person is determined
and if they have time on their hands. Longer passwords help here, like in
the 12-20 character range and not containing dictionary words. Oh, and the
time requirement can be cut by over 90% if a person is inclined to enlist
the services of organizations that pre-compute the password. You, as a
hacker, capture a set of handshake packets, send them in along with the SSID
and your payment, and they send you back the password.

WPS, if your router has it, was completely broken in a certain generation of
consumer routers. Essentially, routers with the WPS vulnerability will
happily hand over their WiFi password upon request, and to make things
worse, some routers provided a GUI option to disable WPS that turned out to
do nothing at all, so WPS appeared to be off but was still happily handing
out the WiFi password to hackers, so be sure you're running a firmware
version that plugs that hole. If your router has the WPS vulnerability,
password length doesn't help at all.

Or maybe there's nothing to worry about. ;-)

  #19  
Old May 8th 15, 12:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Network Phone???

On 5/7/2015 5:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 16:34:50 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/7/2015 4:04 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:12:15 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my
2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not
a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied.

Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your
wireless router?



Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they
all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for
a tower or network.

If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting.
The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an
IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a
minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and
you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help
you to track it down, as well.



After much searching and playing with router access I find that there
are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can
probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode.
It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will
ignore them now.

That doesn't sound right.

First, why would they be trying to connect to your network? What SSID are
you using that they presumably know? (It's not a security issue for me to
ask that or for you to answer.)

Second, 'trying to connect' wouldn't (shouldn't) result in them showing up
in your router's GUI anywhere. With every router that I've seen, devices
show up after they have already connected, not before that. What kind of
encryption did you say you were using?



Hi Char, WPA2-psk- eas or close to it is my encryption. My SSID is
Netgear28.

When I right click these devices all I get is their MAC address,
everything else is Unavailable, Which leads me to believe they are not
In, they also don't show up in router access control.


Ok, if you're happy, then I'm happy. Personally, if it were me, I wouldn't
be satisfied.

WPA2-PSK is fairly secure, but it can be hacked if a person is determined
and if they have time on their hands. Longer passwords help here, like in
the 12-20 character range and not containing dictionary words. Oh, and the
time requirement can be cut by over 90% if a person is inclined to enlist
the services of organizations that pre-compute the password. You, as a
hacker, capture a set of handshake packets, send them in along with the SSID
and your payment, and they send you back the password.

WPS, if your router has it, was completely broken in a certain generation of
consumer routers. Essentially, routers with the WPS vulnerability will
happily hand over their WiFi password upon request, and to make things
worse, some routers provided a GUI option to disable WPS that turned out to
do nothing at all, so WPS appeared to be off but was still happily handing
out the WiFi password to hackers, so be sure you're running a firmware
version that plugs that hole. If your router has the WPS vulnerability,
password length doesn't help at all.

Or maybe there's nothing to worry about. ;-)



My router is a Netgear WNDR3700v4 and it has the WPS feature which I
never use, Router and Main PC on different floors.
Not totally happy, it annoys me to find strangers phones trying to use
the equipment and bandwidth which I pay for.
Cellphones should only be allowed to clamp on to the proper towers not
other peoples Systems.

Regards, Rene





  #20  
Old May 8th 15, 03:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Network Phone???

On Thu, 07 May 2015 18:04:36 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/7/2015 5:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 16:34:50 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/7/2015 4:04 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:12:15 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my
2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not
a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied.

Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your
wireless router?



Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they
all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for
a tower or network.

If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting.
The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an
IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a
minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and
you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help
you to track it down, as well.



After much searching and playing with router access I find that there
are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can
probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode.
It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will
ignore them now.

That doesn't sound right.

First, why would they be trying to connect to your network? What SSID are
you using that they presumably know? (It's not a security issue for me to
ask that or for you to answer.)

Second, 'trying to connect' wouldn't (shouldn't) result in them showing up
in your router's GUI anywhere. With every router that I've seen, devices
show up after they have already connected, not before that. What kind of
encryption did you say you were using?



Hi Char, WPA2-psk- eas or close to it is my encryption. My SSID is
Netgear28.

When I right click these devices all I get is their MAC address,
everything else is Unavailable, Which leads me to believe they are not
In, they also don't show up in router access control.


Ok, if you're happy, then I'm happy. Personally, if it were me, I wouldn't
be satisfied.

WPA2-PSK is fairly secure, but it can be hacked if a person is determined
and if they have time on their hands. Longer passwords help here, like in
the 12-20 character range and not containing dictionary words. Oh, and the
time requirement can be cut by over 90% if a person is inclined to enlist
the services of organizations that pre-compute the password. You, as a
hacker, capture a set of handshake packets, send them in along with the SSID
and your payment, and they send you back the password.

WPS, if your router has it, was completely broken in a certain generation of
consumer routers. Essentially, routers with the WPS vulnerability will
happily hand over their WiFi password upon request, and to make things
worse, some routers provided a GUI option to disable WPS that turned out to
do nothing at all, so WPS appeared to be off but was still happily handing
out the WiFi password to hackers, so be sure you're running a firmware
version that plugs that hole. If your router has the WPS vulnerability,
password length doesn't help at all.

Or maybe there's nothing to worry about. ;-)



My router is a Netgear WNDR3700v4 and it has the WPS feature which I
never use, Router and Main PC on different floors.


Just in case someone is messing with you, I would turn the feature off. It
also might not be a bad idea to change the WiFi password (as well as the
router's admin password), but if someone has used the WPS exploit then
changing the WiFi password won't help. They'll simply request the new
password and they're back in business.

Not totally happy, it annoys me to find strangers phones trying to use
the equipment and bandwidth which I pay for.
Cellphones should only be allowed to clamp on to the proper towers not
other peoples Systems.


I have to say that smartphones would be *much* less useful if they couldn't
use WiFi, but I get your point.

  #21  
Old May 8th 15, 11:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Jonas Klein
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Default Network Phone???


Am 08.05.2015 um 00:31 schrieb Char Jackson:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 15:42:27 -0600, Ken1943
wrote:


What's your issue with the Comcast guest scenario? I don't see any obvious
issues there so I'm curious to see what you've found.


I have read about Comcast "opening" their routers so anyone with a
Comcast account can log in.


True, but it's only with Comcast-supplied routers, (it's not available if
you use your own equipment), and you can easily opt out, although I can't
give a reason why a person would.

I don't have Comcast, but would be very unhappy having anyone but me
using it. Just on general principals.


I see, thanks. I'm not aware of any security issues, performance issues,
liability issues, etc.



This may be true in your country. I'm writing from Germany,
however, and if somebody downloads music or movies illegally
using my router *I* have to prove that he somehow managed to
hack it although I had a reasonably good router password and
protection. This is obviously impossible if the router is
open in the first place.
This is the main reason why Germany is such an
underdeveloped country as far as WiFi networks are concerned.

  #22  
Old May 8th 15, 03:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Network Phone???

On Fri, 08 May 2015 12:41:47 +0200, Jonas Klein
wrote:


Am 08.05.2015 um 00:31 schrieb Char Jackson:
On Thu, 07 May 2015 15:42:27 -0600, Ken1943
wrote:


What's your issue with the Comcast guest scenario? I don't see any obvious
issues there so I'm curious to see what you've found.

I have read about Comcast "opening" their routers so anyone with a
Comcast account can log in.


True, but it's only with Comcast-supplied routers, (it's not available if
you use your own equipment), and you can easily opt out, although I can't
give a reason why a person would.

I don't have Comcast, but would be very unhappy having anyone but me
using it. Just on general principals.


I see, thanks. I'm not aware of any security issues, performance issues,
liability issues, etc.



This may be true in your country.


Wait, you might be misunderstanding me. We're talking about a specific
feature on a specific ISP. I wasn't making a general statement there. The
overall situation here in the US is probably very close to what you
described below for Germany.

The feature in question is this. Comcast, probably the largest cable
Internet provider in the US, sometimes installs combo modem/router/WiFi
units that are preconfigured to allow *other* Comcast subscribers to
authenticate (with their own Comcast credentials) and use the Internet
access portion of the service. Since those other users have to authenticate
first, they are not in any way anonymous. All of their usage ties right back
to their own Comcast account.

The part I was emphasizing above is that first of all this sort of guest
access can be turned off, but even if it's left enabled, it doesn't impact
the 'owner' of the premises because it uses different bandwidth so it
doesn't affect the owner's Internet performance in any way, it doesn't allow
the guest onto the owner's network, and any usage by the guest is tied back
to the guest's Comcast account. All in all, I'm really not seeing a downside
to leaving it enabled, except like Ken said, just on general principles.

Note that Comcast's guest access is separate from,and different from, the
owner setting up his or her own guest access, and all of this is different
from having someone hack in.

I'm writing from Germany,
however, and if somebody downloads music or movies illegally
using my router *I* have to prove that he somehow managed to
hack it although I had a reasonably good router password and
protection. This is obviously impossible if the router is
open in the first place.
This is the main reason why Germany is such an
underdeveloped country as far as WiFi networks are concerned.


It's similar here in the US, although I don't know all of the legal details.

  #23  
Old May 8th 15, 04:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Mickey[_3_]
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Default Network Phone???

To: Rene Lamontagne
Network Phone???
By: Rene Lamontagne to alt.comp.os.windows-8 on Tue May 05 2015 09:04 am


No Bluetooth devices of any type.


Did you create an ad hoc network using wifi? See:
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows...less-ad-hoc-in

terne


Sorry for the thread injection.

It is most likely a cellphone

*poof*

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  #24  
Old June 9th 15, 09:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Andy Burns[_3_]
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Default Network Phone???

Ken1943 wrote:

In your router's properties, you should also have an option to disable
the SSID broadcast. This would help.


I always wondered about that. How would I know which router to connect to
without an SSID ?


Either someone tells you the SSID, or you sniff if, because when you
turn "off" SSID broadcast you're really just turning on a "shhh, don't
tell anyone but my SSID is XXXXXXX" mode ...


 




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