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On 04 Sep 2013 11:34:32 GMT, JoeBro wrote: Darklight wrote in news:gMCVt.64191$iy6.49203 : go here i have already said if you want answers to your question search youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cxEGNcvFMo You will find many more tutorials on youtube. Yes indeed. Youtube is a great resource. For people who can't read. That's my opinion also. When I post here I don't need to be told to use google or to use Youtube (of which I'm no fan) or see some facebook page, etc etc etc. I ask it on Usenet hoping some literate soul can answer it HERE ! Ok If that's hhow you want he My computer Icon. Once windows 8 is open and the metro interface is displayed. Right click on an empty part of the screen. Then you will see an Icon and text in the bottom right hand of the screen Called 'All Apps'. Left click on that. Then search for the computer icon. Which is the my computer icon which is what you want. Then right click on the computer icon and in the bottom left hand corner of the screen you will see a pin icon with text underneth it saying 'pin to start' left click on the icon. Then right click on an empty part of the screen and then left click the 'all apps' icon. And there you are the computer or my computer icon is displayed on the metro interface. Is this Literate enough for you! Is this simple enough for you. I learned that from youtube. |
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On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 04:06:36 -0400, ...winston wrote:
If you read my entire 9/4/2013 2:51 a.m. EST/DST message Suggestion: post the Message ID instead. Then a reader can click on that and *easily* see the correct message (if he has a half-way useable newsreader). Here's the Message ID from your post that I am replying to: Message-ID: I got there by displaying all headers. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 04:06:36 -0400, ...winston wrote: If you read my entire 9/4/2013 2:51 a.m. EST/DST message Suggestion: post the Message ID instead. Then a reader can click on that and *easily* see the correct message (if he has a half-way useable newsreader). Here's the Message ID from your post that I am replying to: Message-ID: I got there by displaying all headers. Here's the Message ID for that post (of mine) which was posted with SeaMonkey - does the above work for you ? The Message ID alone (at least in SeaMonkey only opens a new composition window with the Message ID as the recipient -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On 9/6/13 12:37 AM, ...winston wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 04:06:36 -0400, ...winston wrote: If you read my entire 9/4/2013 2:51 a.m. EST/DST message Suggestion: post the Message ID instead. Then a reader can click on that and *easily* see the correct message (if he has a half-way useable newsreader). Here's the Message ID from your post that I am replying to: Message-ID: I got there by displaying all headers. Here's the Message ID for that post (of mine) which was posted with SeaMonkey - does the above work for you ? Uhm...... Are you sure you posted that with SeaMonkey? Pasted between the asterisks below is the full header info from that message that is displayed by Thunderbird, and I see Windows Live Mail, not SeaMonkey. *********************** Path: aioe.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "...winston" Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8 Subject: Appolgy & question Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 02:51:29 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 2 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 06:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="56800cd11e5f432168bc4a47edfa0155"; logging-data="19010"; "; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Jd7MSmegBICz+7LL16PmvqUn5o8AW0Tk=" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3508.205 In-Reply-To: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3508.205 Importance: Normal Cancel-Lock: sha1:zNS3/yWg+Fct+aswhY24fsq53hw= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal *********************** The Message ID alone (at least in SeaMonkey only opens a new composition window with the Message ID as the recipient If I click the message ID in the body of the text, Thunderbird opens an email composition window also. But, if I click on the message ID in the header, Thunderbird takes me to the message, no composition window. If I understand Gene's post correctly, he got to your message via the information in the header. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 23.0.1 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.04 |
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Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/6/13 12:37 AM, ...winston wrote: Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 04:06:36 -0400, ...winston wrote: If you read my entire 9/4/2013 2:51 a.m. EST/DST message Suggestion: post the Message ID instead. Then a reader can click on that and *easily* see the correct message (if he has a half-way useable newsreader). Here's the Message ID from your post that I am replying to: Message-ID: I got there by displaying all headers. Here's the Message ID for that post (of mine) which was posted with SeaMonkey - does the above work for you ? Uhm...... Are you sure you posted that with SeaMonkey? Pasted between the asterisks below is the full header info from that message that is displayed by Thunderbird, and I see Windows Live Mail, not SeaMonkey. *********************** Path: aioe.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "...winston" Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8 Subject: Appolgy & question Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 02:51:29 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 2 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 06:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="56800cd11e5f432168bc4a47edfa0155"; logging-data="19010"; "; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Jd7MSmegBICz+7LL16PmvqUn5o8AW0Tk=" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3508.205 In-Reply-To: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3508.205 Importance: Normal Cancel-Lock: sha1:zNS3/yWg+Fct+aswhY24fsq53hw= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Xref: aioe.org alt.comp.os.windows-8:5830 *********************** The Message ID alone (at least in SeaMonkey only opens a new composition window with the Message ID as the recipient If I click the message ID in the body of the text, Thunderbird opens an email composition window also. But, if I click on the message ID in the header, Thunderbird takes me to the message, no composition window. If I understand Gene's post correctly, he got to your message via the information in the header. Yes, my mistake. Just looked at the wrong post of mine in the thread - then intial (9/4) was in WLM, the second (9/5) in SM. I understand how SM provides the link in the headers (its a useful feature) as long as the header includes the appropriate ID's...in that specific case, if I did include/reference the 9/4 Message ID in the 9/5 reply (when posting with SM or WLM) it (when read in SM or WLM ) would still have (when clicked) opened a message composition window. My additional question was relative to the functionality of adding the 'news:' prefix to the Message ID in the message body text. When read in WLM (as the default news client it opens the correct message; in SM (as the default news client) it does not. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 02:37:33 -0400, ...winston wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 04:06:36 -0400, ...winston wrote: If you read my entire 9/4/2013 2:51 a.m. EST/DST message Suggestion: post the Message ID instead. Then a reader can click on that and *easily* see the correct message (if he has a half-way useable newsreader). Here's the Message ID from your post that I am replying to: Message-ID: I got there by displaying all headers. Here's the Message ID for that post (of mine) which was posted with SeaMonkey - does the above work for you ? The Message ID alone (at least in SeaMonkey only opens a new composition window with the Message ID as the recipient It works great, and getting there doesn't require searching through any posts while compensating for time-zone differences. Just click and bang!, I see the post. This is 40tude Dialog. I can also try it in MesNews; it also works the same way there, but of course I have no idea how newsreaders that I don't have will do. Thanks for doing that - I hope you find it useful then next time you need to refer to a post (maybe around 2015?). -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:45:43 -0400, ...winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: If I understand Gene's post correctly, he got to your message via the information in the header. No - I never looked for ...winston's earlier post :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On 9/6/13 11:45 AM, ...winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: On 9/6/13 12:37 AM, ...winston wrote: Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 04:06:36 -0400, ...winston wrote: If you read my entire 9/4/2013 2:51 a.m. EST/DST message Suggestion: post the Message ID instead. Then a reader can click on that and *easily* see the correct message (if he has a half-way useable newsreader). Here's the Message ID from your post that I am replying to: Message-ID: I got there by displaying all headers. Here's the Message ID for that post (of mine) which was posted with SeaMonkey - does the above work for you ? Uhm...... Are you sure you posted that with SeaMonkey? Pasted between the asterisks below is the full header info from that message that is displayed by Thunderbird, and I see Windows Live Mail, not SeaMonkey. *********************** Path: aioe.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "...winston" Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8 Subject: Appolgy & question Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 02:51:29 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 2 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 06:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="56800cd11e5f432168bc4a47edfa0155"; logging-data="19010"; "; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Jd7MSmegBICz+7LL16PmvqUn5o8AW0Tk=" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3508.205 In-Reply-To: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3508.205 Importance: Normal Cancel-Lock: sha1:zNS3/yWg+Fct+aswhY24fsq53hw= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Xref: aioe.org alt.comp.os.windows-8:5830 *********************** The Message ID alone (at least in SeaMonkey only opens a new composition window with the Message ID as the recipient If I click the message ID in the body of the text, Thunderbird opens an email composition window also. But, if I click on the message ID in the header, Thunderbird takes me to the message, no composition window. If I understand Gene's post correctly, he got to your message via the information in the header. Yes, my mistake. Just looked at the wrong post of mine in the thread - then intial (9/4) was in WLM, the second (9/5) in SM. I understand how SM provides the link in the headers (its a useful feature) as long as the header includes the appropriate ID's...in that specific case, if I did include/reference the 9/4 Message ID in the 9/5 reply (when posting with SM or WLM) it (when read in SM or WLM ) would still have (when clicked) opened a message composition window. My additional question was relative to the functionality of adding the 'news:' prefix to the Message ID in the message body text. When read in WLM (as the default news client it opens the correct message; in SM (as the default news client) it does not. Obviously, one or both programs is wrong in following standards. The question that should be asked, is what the standards say about the message ID when incorporated in the message body. I tried tracking down and reading those standards one time, quickly found out I don't have the technical knowledge to understand them! LOL Gene used 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.84 to post his reply. It would be nice to see Gene and others post what newsreader they used and what the result was when clicking the message id in the message body. My suspicion would be the most common result would be in accordance with the standards. Personally, with all the complaints I've read about WLM and Yahoo Web Mail in different places, I wouldn't trust either of them to do things right. A pox on both houses. I certainly wouldn't be proud of that type of workmanship. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 23.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.04 |
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On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:55:14 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:
Gene used 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.84 to post his reply. It would be nice to see Gene and others post what newsreader they used and what the result was when clicking the message id in the message body. My suspicion would be the most common result would be in accordance with the standards. I did - see Message-ID: I have no idea what the standards ask for, but I expect the results from various newsreaders to vary all over the place :-( Of course, I hope that I'm wrong :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On 9/6/13 6:34 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:55:14 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: Gene used 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.84 to post his reply. It would be nice to see Gene and others post what newsreader they used and what the result was when clicking the message id in the message body. My suspicion would be the most common result would be in accordance with the standards. I did - see Message-ID: Saw that message after I posted mine. :-) I have no idea what the standards ask for, but I expect the results from various newsreaders to vary all over the place :-( Of course, I hope that I'm wrong :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 23.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.04 |
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Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 02:37:33 -0400, ...winston wrote: Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 04:06:36 -0400, ...winston wrote: If you read my entire 9/4/2013 2:51 a.m. EST/DST message Suggestion: post the Message ID instead. Then a reader can click on that and *easily* see the correct message (if he has a half-way useable newsreader). Here's the Message ID from your post that I am replying to: Message-ID: I got there by displaying all headers. Here's the Message ID for that post (of mine) which was posted with SeaMonkey - does the above work for you ? The Message ID alone (at least in SeaMonkey only opens a new composition window with the Message ID as the recipient It works great, and getting there doesn't require searching through any posts while compensating for time-zone differences. Just click and bang!, I see the post. This is 40tude Dialog. I can also try it in MesNews; it also works the same way there, but of course I have no idea how newsreaders that I don't have will do. Thanks for doing that - I hope you find it useful then next time you need to refer to a post (maybe around 2015?). You are welcome. Using the 'news:' prefix in front of the Message ID is the route I learned long ago (never used it much but when necessary it has always proved to be the most productive). What's stumping me is why it works in 4oTude and MesNews (for you), WLM (for me) but not in SeaMonkey (for me). - in SM I've tried a variety of different configuration options (SM as default news client, Eternal September as default account, the Eternal Sept server as the startup folder, this newsgroup as the start up folder, and all possible combinations of the same (Default account, startup folder) for other news servers/folders, email accounts, and Local Folders. As a final example(s here's are a few of yours cf. "I got there by displaying all headers" and the last one As a test (and no clue why it would be necessary (fishing for straws) .....maybe SM requires the brackets ??? It would be interesting to know if TBird functions with the news specifier and if it does what configuration is in place. @Ken, Why WLM supports the 'news:' prefix and SM doesn't is not worth the effort (nor is digging into the standards or debating the trustworthy-ness of WLM, SM or any email/news client..they all have their pros and cons) gOne thing I am certain on and contrary to the Win8 fanbois - for the half billion (and increasing quantity) of Hotmail/Outlook.com users - WLM (an the other Windows Essentials 2012 desktop apps) remains a better choice than Win8's current included apps (Mail, Photos, People, SkyDrive) for integration locally and externally (cloud/online services SkyDrive, Contacts, Calendar, Mail, Office apps, etc.). -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On 9/7/13 1:02 AM, ...winston wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 02:37:33 -0400, ...winston wrote: Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 04:06:36 -0400, ...winston wrote: snip Using the 'news:' prefix in front of the Message ID is the route I learned long ago (never used it much but when necessary it has always proved to be the most productive). What is the "news:" prefix supposed to do? I've never been much of a newsgroup user until the last few years. And, unlike years ago when computers were new to the world, it's damned hard to find a basic primer on anything computer related anymore. :-( What's stumping me is why it works in 4oTude and MesNews (for you), WLM (for me) but not in SeaMonkey (for me). - in SM I've tried a variety of different configuration options (SM as default news client, Eternal September as default account, the Eternal Sept server as the startup folder, this newsgroup as the start up folder, and all possible combinations of the same (Default account, startup folder) for other news servers/folders, email accounts, and Local Folders. As a final example(s here's are a few of yours cf. "I got there by displaying all headers" and the last one As a test (and no clue why it would be necessary (fishing for straws) ....maybe SM requires the brackets ??? It would be interesting to know if TBird functions with the news specifier and if it does what configuration is in place. As I understand it, SM and TB share a lot of the same code. And TB has a lot of known issues, and many of the HTML ones really **** me off. There may also be newsgroup issues too. A new version of TB, 24 is due soon, to coincide with Firefox 24. So, it may be the wise thing to do to not draw any conclusions about SM and TB until the new release is out and the inevitable bugs squashed, if they get squashed. As for the carats ("" and ""), I wonder if that's a "trigger" to software to open an email compose window, and the contents between the carats is supposed to be the email address? Every email program I remember seeing, when you use a real display name for your contact, it's always displayed as "John Smith " with the actual email address between the carats. @Ken, Why WLM supports the 'news:' prefix and SM doesn't is not worth the effort (nor is digging into the standards or debating the trustworthy-ness of WLM, SM or any email/news client..they all have their pros and cons) Based on what you and Gene have written, and if I was in Vegas, I'd bet that SM and TB do not do things correctly, it's a bug. Another reason to wait until the update I mentioned comes out. Definition of trustworthiness in this case... The program at least attempts to follow the rules. After all, we have rules in our lives to make our lives easier by having everyone do some things the same way. Just like everyone should drive on the same side of the road, software should also follow the rules set out for whatever. If there's a bug, it should be squashed. WLM seems to be the worst offender I've seen. Yahoo Mail and Apple Mail also have issues in this area. Obviously, I don't use Apple Mail. LOL If, and it's a big if, all programs followed the rules, and there were no bugs, we wouldn't be having this discussion. G gOne thing I am certain on and contrary to the Win8 fanbois - for the half billion (and increasing quantity) of Hotmail/Outlook.com users - WLM (an the other Windows Essentials 2012 desktop apps) remains a better choice than Win8's current included apps (Mail, Photos, People, SkyDrive) for integration locally and externally (cloud/online services SkyDrive, Contacts, Calendar, Mail, Office apps, etc.). I've not looked at Win8 enough yet, but my impression was that the mail feature supplied with Win8 was WLM. Not so? Either way, I prefer not to use the cloud any more than is useful to me, and having my stuff go through their servers so they can (possibly) read my email for things like targeted advertising is not for me. There was a news report just last night on ABC News that Google does just that with Gmail. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 23.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.04 |
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"Ken Springer" wrote in message
I've not looked at Win8 enough yet, but my impression was that the mail feature supplied with Win8 was WLM. Not so? Not so. What is included is Windows Mail, a different thing. And a less than good thing, IMO; You can set it up to retrieve mail from Google, Hotmail and other such webby things but if you want POP3, forget it. IOW, it is useless...if I wanted mail from Google, Hotmail and other such webby things I'd just go there and get it. If you want POP3, Windows LIVE Mail affords that opportunity IIRC but you have to have a "Microsoft account". I have lived 80+ years without a Microsoft account and I don't want one now, not even to enable me to buy "apps" from their store. When I first got another computer it was a laptop with Win8 (main PC is XP) and I wanted to be able to read/send email/news from it. I tried many programs; some did mail well but didn't do news; others did both but were huge and sucky; namely, Thunderbird/Sea Monkey. I know some like them, I don't. My solution was to use VirtualBox, install XP and use Outlook Express which I like and which does everything I want and does it simply and easily. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On 9/7/2013 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
If you want POP3, Windows LIVE Mail affords that opportunity IIRC but you have to have a "Microsoft account". I have lived 80+ years without a Microsoft account and I don't want one now, not even to enable me to buy "apps" from their store. You don't have to have any account. It is part of Windows Essentials. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ive/essentials |
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