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Network Phone???
Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what
do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone named Occam!! We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks for any and all help. Regards, Rene |
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Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 04 May 2015 19:42:29 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone named Occam!! We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks for any and all help. I just did a Google search on "occam phone" and found a number of people with the same experience. I don't have the time to read through all of it, but you might try doing the same search and see what other people are experiencing. Someone did a test here, where they turned off Wifi and their Windows device was still reporting "spurious" devices. Since my Windows here "remembers" or "knows about" devices that are no longer running on the network, I'd have to guess the response with Wifi disabled on the router, means Windows is dredging up an old reference and showing it to you. Since I multiboot here, I think the "memory" of network discovery, is in the SSDP on the other computers on the same network. Although the poster here did a test where http://www.eightforums.com/network-s...why-how-6.html laptop --- router (Wifi disabled) ^ | +--- *Still* sees spurious reference So the laptop itself is holding the old references (until Windows tries to contact them, and they disappear since they're not really there). Very puzzling. I would not have thought that a device that failed to connect properly (entered WPA2 password), would be able to carry out any Windows protocols at all. SSDP packets should not have been able to enter the network. Only at the SSID level, might some device have been identified. As I don't use Wifi at all here, does Wifi actually do that ? Can you see "client devices lounging in the neighborhood" ? I thought SSID was used by a router for announcement. Would the SSID be coming from devices that are attempting to run ADHOC mode connections ? As a test, a person could try turning off SSDP and see if the silly behavior stops. But that might be inconvenient if you're streaming video or doing some other node-to-node services. I've never seen a reference to "Nexus" here, but then I don't have a working Wifi of any sort. Only my laptop has Wifi client and the radio is turned off. My routers are wired - never had one with Wifi. Paul |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone named Occam!! We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks for any and all help. Regards, Rene Not sure what YOU mean by portable phones? Are those cordless phones that connect to a base station? Or cellular phones aka mobile phones? You sure none of your wireless phones (portable or cellular) have a Bluetooth function and it's enabled? Bluetooth is an ad hoc network. I didn't bother to check if your router supports Bluetooth, but then you could have an access point (AP) with Bluetooth support or a USB Bluetooth dongle plugged into the router, AP, computer, or somewhere in your network to add Bluetooth devices that way. If you don't use Bluetooth devices (cameras, phones, laptops, etc) then disable it in those devices. Did you create an ad hoc network using wifi? See: http://www.addictivetips.com/windows...-in-windows-8/ Are any of your computers configured as a gateway (e.g., ICS)? That is a wifi router. Did you lock it down so only the devices you specify can connect to it? Do you use its wifi feature? If not, disable wifi and just use cabled connections to the router (easier to secure). Have you even bothered to change the login password on the router to something OTHER than the factory default so someone else couldn't use the default password? Did you disable the remote management feature? When you press the WPS button on the router, there is a 2-minute window of vulnerability when some other device can get auth'ed to connect to the router. Ease of use and security are the antithesis of each other. You can instead use their WPS wizard dialog (pages 118 in the manual) in the router to get a PIN and tote it over to the device that YOU want to authorize for access instead of letting any device in the area announce itself during the open window when using the WPS button. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_4 The Nexus 4 phone gets identified by "occam". Could be a drive-by, neighbor, or friend that connected to your network. Lock it down by allowing only the devices you specify to connect to the router, and perhaps stop using the WPS button that opens a 2-minute window for anyone to get authorized during that time. |
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On 5/4/2015 7:53 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Mon, 04 May 2015 19:42:29 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone named Occam!! We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks for any and all help. Regards, Rene Change the password on the router. There is a freeware program called Softperfect WiFi Guard which when I run it, tells me the MAC address of my equipment connected to the router. If you can find the MAC of the Occam, you can block it in the router. Just make sure you don't have any "smart" equipment, tv, refrigerator and things. KenW Will change password and use Softperfect program, Thanks Ken Regards, Rene |
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On 5/4/2015 8:38 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 04 May 2015 19:42:29 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone named Occam!! We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks for any and all help. I just did a Google search on "occam phone" and found a number of people with the same experience. I don't have the time to read through all of it, but you might try doing the same search and see what other people are experiencing. Thanks Storm, Will do today. Regards, Rene |
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On 5/4/2015 9:54 PM, Paul wrote:
Stormin' Norman wrote: On Mon, 04 May 2015 19:42:29 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone named Occam!! We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks for any and all help. I just did a Google search on "occam phone" and found a number of people with the same experience. I don't have the time to read through all of it, but you might try doing the same search and see what other people are experiencing. Someone did a test here, where they turned off Wifi and their Windows device was still reporting "spurious" devices. Since my Windows here "remembers" or "knows about" devices that are no longer running on the network, I'd have to guess the response with Wifi disabled on the router, means Windows is dredging up an old reference and showing it to you. Since I multiboot here, I think the "memory" of network discovery, is in the SSDP on the other computers on the same network. Although the poster here did a test where http://www.eightforums.com/network-s...why-how-6.html laptop --- router (Wifi disabled) ^ | +--- *Still* sees spurious reference So the laptop itself is holding the old references (until Windows tries to contact them, and they disappear since they're not really there). Very puzzling. I would not have thought that a device that failed to connect properly (entered WPA2 password), would be able to carry out any Windows protocols at all. SSDP packets should not have been able to enter the network. Only at the SSID level, might some device have been identified. As I don't use Wifi at all here, does Wifi actually do that ? Can you see "client devices lounging in the neighborhood" ? I thought SSID was used by a router for announcement. Would the SSID be coming from devices that are attempting to run ADHOC mode connections ? As a test, a person could try turning off SSDP and see if the silly behavior stops. But that might be inconvenient if you're streaming video or doing some other node-to-node services. I've never seen a reference to "Nexus" here, but then I don't have a working Wifi of any sort. Only my laptop has Wifi client and the radio is turned off. My routers are wired - never had one with Wifi. Paul Weird, this morning its not there! will do more digging and see what I can find about it on Google, Regards Rene |
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On 5/5/2015 4:26 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone named Occam!! We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks for any and all help. Regards, Rene I have no cordless phones of any kind, Only hardwired landline phone no cellular or any type Not sure what YOU mean by portable phones? Are those cordless phones that connect to a base station? Or cellular phones aka mobile phones? You sure none of your wireless phones (portable or cellular) have a Bluetooth function and it's enabled? Bluetooth is an ad hoc network. I didn't bother to check if your router supports Bluetooth, but then you could have an access point (AP) with Bluetooth support or a USB Bluetooth dongle plugged into the router, AP, computer, or somewhere in your network to add Bluetooth devices that way. If you don't use Bluetooth devices (cameras, phones, laptops, etc) then disable it in those devices. No Bluetooth devices of any type. Did you create an ad hoc network using wifi? See: http://www.addictivetips.com/windows...-in-windows-8/ Are any of your computers configured as a gateway (e.g., ICS)? No adhoc network, none as gateway. That is a wifi router. Did you lock it down so only the devices you specify can connect to it? Do you use its wifi feature? If not, disable wifi and just use cabled connections to the router (easier to secure). Can;t use cat5 on my main unit, too far from router, the other one is hardwired. Have you even bothered to change the login password on the router to something OTHER than the factory default so someone else couldn't use the default password? Did you disable the remote management feature? When you press the WPS button on the router, there is a 2-minute window of vulnerability when some other device can get auth'ed to connect to the router. Ease of use and security are the antithesis of each other. You can instead use their WPS wizard dialog (pages 118 in the manual) in the router to get a PIN and tote it over to the device that YOU want to authorize for access instead of letting any device in the area announce itself during the open window when using the WPS button. Don't use the WPS function button at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_4 The Nexus 4 phone gets identified by "occam". Could be a drive-by, neighbor, or friend that connected to your network. Lock it down by allowing only the devices you specify to connect to the router, and perhaps stop using the WPS button that opens a 2-minute window for anyone to get authorized during that time. Yes it shows up as a Nexus 4, Its not there this morning. Thanks for all the ideas Vanguard, will chang password again. Best regards, Rene |
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On 5/5/2015 9:04 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 5/5/2015 4:26 AM, VanguardLH wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone named Occam!! We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks for any and all help. Regards, Rene I have no cordless phones of any kind, Only hardwired landline phone no cellular or any type Not sure what YOU mean by portable phones? Are those cordless phones that connect to a base station? Or cellular phones aka mobile phones? You sure none of your wireless phones (portable or cellular) have a Bluetooth function and it's enabled? Bluetooth is an ad hoc network. I didn't bother to check if your router supports Bluetooth, but then you could have an access point (AP) with Bluetooth support or a USB Bluetooth dongle plugged into the router, AP, computer, or somewhere in your network to add Bluetooth devices that way. If you don't use Bluetooth devices (cameras, phones, laptops, etc) then disable it in those devices. No Bluetooth devices of any type. Did you create an ad hoc network using wifi? See: http://www.addictivetips.com/windows...-in-windows-8/ Are any of your computers configured as a gateway (e.g., ICS)? No adhoc network, none as gateway. That is a wifi router. Did you lock it down so only the devices you specify can connect to it? Do you use its wifi feature? If not, disable wifi and just use cabled connections to the router (easier to secure). Can;t use cat5 on my main unit, too far from router, the other one is hardwired. Have you even bothered to change the login password on the router to something OTHER than the factory default so someone else couldn't use the default password? Did you disable the remote management feature? When you press the WPS button on the router, there is a 2-minute window of vulnerability when some other device can get auth'ed to connect to the router. Ease of use and security are the antithesis of each other. You can instead use their WPS wizard dialog (pages 118 in the manual) in the router to get a PIN and tote it over to the device that YOU want to authorize for access instead of letting any device in the area announce itself during the open window when using the WPS button. Don't use the WPS function button at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_4 The Nexus 4 phone gets identified by "occam". Could be a drive-by, neighbor, or friend that connected to your network. Lock it down by allowing only the devices you specify to connect to the router, and perhaps stop using the WPS button that opens a 2-minute window for anyone to get authorized during that time. Yes it shows up as a Nexus 4, Its not there this morning. Thanks for all the ideas Vanguard, will chang password again. Best regards, Rene Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my 2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied. Regards, Rene |
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On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my 2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied. Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your wireless router? Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for a tower or network. Regards, Rene |
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On 5/5/2015 10:58 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my 2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied. Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your wireless router? Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for a tower or network. Regards, Rene Keep in mind, though the phone may see the network if that is how your router is set up, it will not try to hook up to it all by itself. Someone would have had to tell it to attempt to make a connection in one way or another. |
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On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my 2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied. Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your wireless router? Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for a tower or network. If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting. The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help you to track it down, as well. |
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On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my 2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied. Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your wireless router? Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for a tower or network. If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting. The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help you to track it down, as well. After much searching and playing with router access I find that there are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode. It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will ignore them now. Thanks to all who replied. Regards, Rene |
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On 5/7/2015 10:12 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
After much searching and playing with router access I find that there are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode. It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will ignore them now. Thanks to all who replied. Regards, Rene In your router's properties, you should also have an option to disable the SSID broadcast. This would help. |
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On 2015-05-07 11:44 AM, Ken1943 wrote:
In your router's properties, you should also have an option to disable the SSID broadcast. This would help. I always wondered about that. How would I know which router to connect to without an SSID ? If you set the name of the router, you can connect to it without its SSID being broadcasted. You simply have to write in the name of the network when you're attempting a connection rather than waiting for yours to appear as most people do. -- Slimer Encrypt. |
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On 5/7/2015 10:49 AM, Ken1943 wrote:
In your router's properties, you should also have an option to disable the SSID broadcast. This would help. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/28653...y-more-secure/ KenW Tried not broadcasting SSID for some time but phones still showed up, It would seem that hiding your SSID is not too useful and according to some is actually counterproductive. Regars, Rene |
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