Data Microsoft collects

I have avoided the Microsoft Store, but do accept updates of Windows
8.1. I don't knowingly save any thing online at Microsoft or other
online sites.

I recently bought a new Windows 8.1 computer, and set it up as required
by Microsoft.

I discovered that the wallpaper from my only other Windows 8.1, appeared
on my new computer. Also Solitaire and Mahjong which I got from the
Microsoft store appeared on my new computer. So far this was troubling
but not a significant problem.

I went to the church for a meeting and discovered that I did not have to
put the security code for the Church LAN into the new computer. This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

How can I remove these security codes/passwords from the Microsoft sites.

What other passwords and such have they taken from my computer. I
transferred the profile form Thunderbird and Firefox so it was expected
they were on the new computer, But would I have had to transfer it or
does Microsoft take this information also.

If this is happening with all Windows 8.1 computers and above it is no
wonder that companies are refusing to update to Windows 8/8.1

On Mon, 18 May 2015 10:07:02 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

This is a feature. You created a MSFT account earlier and this keeps
data from your previous machine and copies it to your new one when
you set up your MSFT account on it.

On 5/18/2015 1:02 PM, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2015 10:07:02 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

This is a feature. You created a MSFT account earlier and this keeps
data from your previous machine and copies it to your new one when
you set up your MSFT account on it.

How do you prevent it. I don't want Microsoft taken data from my computer

I though I could prevent it by using a local account but it appears that
does not work.

When I use Solitaire which wants to contact the Microsoft Store, I
always turn of the lan be for opening the game.

On 18-May-2015 13:28, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 5/18/2015 1:02 PM, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2015 10:07:02 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

This is a feature. You created a MSFT account earlier and this keeps
data from your previous machine and copies it to your new one when
you set up your MSFT account on it.

How do you prevent it. I don't want Microsoft taken data from my computer

I though I could prevent it by using a local account but it appears that
does not work.

When I use Solitaire which wants to contact the Microsoft Store, I
always turn of the lan be for opening the game.

In order to use Msft Store you need a Msft Account otherwise you can't
get anything from the Store.

In order to stop that, sign out and create a local account and delete
your MS Account and forget about getting anything from the store. Get a
solitaire game from somewhere else.

On 18/05/2015 18:28, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 5/18/2015 1:02 PM, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2015 10:07:02 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

This is a feature. You created a MSFT account earlier and this keeps
data from your previous machine and copies it to your new one when
you set up your MSFT account on it.

How do you prevent it. I don't want Microsoft taken data from my
computer

I though I could prevent it by using a local account but it appears
that does not work.

When I use Solitaire which wants to contact the Microsoft Store, I
always turn of the lan be for opening the game.
You don't need Microsoft account to play Solitaire or freecell assuming
you have installed the Microsoft's supported version and not other
alternatives). These games are installed on your computer and they can
be played offline. Of course, if you have created a Microsoft Account
to logon to your Windows Desktop then you are stuck. You need to
disable it so that you don't have to use Microsoft Account. Did you know
that if you don't have an Internet, you can't use your desktop because
Microsoft won't let you. So disable Microsoft Account immediately.

As to other matters, I think there is nothing you can do because
although you may not use Microsoft Cloud or Azzure platform, Internet
Explorer will transmit your personal habits and it is in the Microsoft
End User License Agreement you have signed to by clicking YES when you
first started using Windows.

In any case, companies these days always harvest data without telling
you even if they tell you they don't. That's life. The alternative is
to stop using computers and start using pen and paper and start your own
post office to send and receive messages by snail mail.

Mind you, I have got used to using computers and so security is of less
importance to me except I use "common sense". Also, Microsoft monthly
patches are a completely waste of time as far as I am concerned. I
update my system every quarter. The next update schedule for me is on
24th June.

Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have avoided the Microsoft Store, but do accept updates of Windows
8.1. I don't knowingly save any thing online at Microsoft or other
online sites.

I recently bought a new Windows 8.1 computer, and set it up as required
by Microsoft.

I discovered that the wallpaper from my only other Windows 8.1, appeared
on my new computer. Also Solitaire and Mahjong which I got from the
Microsoft store appeared on my new computer. So far this was troubling
but not a significant problem.

I went to the church for a meeting and discovered that I did not have to
put the security code for the Church LAN into the new computer. This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

How can I remove these security codes/passwords from the Microsoft sites.

What other passwords and such have they taken from my computer. I
transferred the profile form Thunderbird and Firefox so it was expected
they were on the new computer, But would I have had to transfer it or
does Microsoft take this information also.

If this is happening with all Windows 8.1 computers and above it is no
wonder that companies are refusing to update to Windows 8/8.1

It's not as collective as some other's have presented.

The Desktop settings are due to having configured or accepted Win 8.1's
user settings Sync.

The password entry is do to your browser (IE or 3rd party) having been
configured to remember passwords.

Both can be disabled.

Solitaire on Windows 8.1 **is** a Microsoft Store app. It requires a
MSFT account.

The presence and/or use of a Microsoft account does not preclude one's
ability to disabled the Sync for user Settings.


When user Settings are configured to Sync, the data is stored on that
same MSFT Account OneDrive, thus when synced, use of that same MSFT
account on other devices will sync the same settings.

See this article on how to enable/disable Sync for User Settings. It has
two sections - one to choose which settings sync and the other to stop
syncing all settings.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...c-settings-pcs

If you stop syncing user settings and desire to remove content, then
logon to OneDrive (onedrive.com) and delete any appropriate, if still
present' folders.

I wouldn't be too hasty deleting that MSFT account as other's have
recommended. It's entirely likely in the foreseeable future, especially
if you upgrade to Windows 10 that a MSFT account will be necessary to
upgrade and in the foreseeable future receive updates via Windows Update.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 18-May-2015 15:00, . . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have avoided the Microsoft Store, but do accept updates of Windows
8.1. I don't knowingly save any thing online at Microsoft or other
online sites.

I recently bought a new Windows 8.1 computer, and set it up as required
by Microsoft.

I discovered that the wallpaper from my only other Windows 8.1, appeared
on my new computer. Also Solitaire and Mahjong which I got from the
Microsoft store appeared on my new computer. So far this was troubling
but not a significant problem.

I went to the church for a meeting and discovered that I did not have to
put the security code for the Church LAN into the new computer. This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

How can I remove these security codes/passwords from the Microsoft sites.

What other passwords and such have they taken from my computer. I
transferred the profile form Thunderbird and Firefox so it was expected
they were on the new computer, But would I have had to transfer it or
does Microsoft take this information also.

If this is happening with all Windows 8.1 computers and above it is no
wonder that companies are refusing to update to Windows 8/8.1

It's not as collective as some other's have presented.

The Desktop settings are due to having configured or accepted Win 8.1's
user settings Sync.

The password entry is do to your browser (IE or 3rd party) having been
configured to remember passwords.

Both can be disabled.

Solitaire on Windows 8.1 **is** a Microsoft Store app. It requires a
MSFT account.

The presence and/or use of a Microsoft account does not preclude one's
ability to disabled the Sync for user Settings.


When user Settings are configured to Sync, the data is stored on that
same MSFT Account OneDrive, thus when synced, use of that same MSFT
account on other devices will sync the same settings.

See this article on how to enable/disable Sync for User Settings. It has
two sections - one to choose which settings sync and the other to stop
syncing all settings.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...c-settings-pcs

If you stop syncing user settings and desire to remove content, then
logon to OneDrive (onedrive.com) and delete any appropriate, if still
present' folders.

I wouldn't be too hasty deleting that MSFT account as other's have
recommended. It's entirely likely in the foreseeable future, especially
if you upgrade to Windows 10 that a MSFT account will be necessary to
upgrade and in the foreseeable future receive updates via Windows Update.


....and in the foreseeable future maybe use Linux. :-)

On Mon, 18 May 2015 13:54:40 -0400, Disguised
wrote in

forget about getting anything from the store

+1
--
Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers
and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.

Good Guy wrote:

As to other matters, I think there is nothing you can do because
although you may not use Microsoft Cloud or Azzure platform, Internet
Explorer will transmit your personal habits and it is in the Microsoft
End User License Agreement you have signed to by clicking YES when you
first started using Windows.

The EULA for Windows 8.1 says nothing of the sort about Internet Explorer.
Two instances of Internet Explorer are in the EULA - one about
settings for Smart Screen security the other for Accelerator/Add-ins.

What one agrees to is this:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...#T1=highlights

Neither states anything about transmitting 'personal habits'.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 5/18/2015 10:07 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have avoided the Microsoft Store, but do accept updates of Windows
8.1. I don't knowingly save any thing online at Microsoft or other
online sites.

I recently bought a new Windows 8.1 computer, and set it up as required
by Microsoft.

I discovered that the wallpaper from my only other Windows 8.1, appeared
on my new computer. Also Solitaire and Mahjong which I got from the
Microsoft store appeared on my new computer. So far this was troubling
but not a significant problem.

When you use the same Microsoft account on your different devices (e.g.
new laptops, tablets, etc.), Items that you acquired from the MS store
are accessible from those other devices.

So, basically, you have one MS account, and anything you do that is
associated with that account is accessible from your other devices as
well. If you want to have unique information on your devices, create a
non-MS account (or another MS account if you want to access the MS Store
or other features).

It really isn't a security issue, it's a management issue related to
your user accounts.
--
best regards,

Neil

On Mon, 18 May 2015 10:07:02 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I have avoided the Microsoft Store, but do accept updates of Windows
8.1. I don't knowingly save any thing online at Microsoft or other
online sites.

I recently bought a new Windows 8.1 computer, and set it up as required
by Microsoft.

I discovered that the wallpaper from my only other Windows 8.1, appeared
on my new computer. Also Solitaire and Mahjong which I got from the
Microsoft store appeared on my new computer. So far this was troubling
but not a significant problem.

I went to the church for a meeting and discovered that I did not have to
put the security code for the Church LAN into the new computer. This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

How can I remove these security codes/passwords from the Microsoft sites.

Dunno, but go to: Swipe right screen/settings/change pc settings/one
drive/ and in each category turn everything off. That should kill
syncing to your other devices, it does mine.

What other passwords and such have they taken from my computer. I
transferred the profile form Thunderbird and Firefox so it was expected
they were on the new computer, But would I have had to transfer it or
does Microsoft take this information also.

If this is happening with all Windows 8.1 computers and above it is no
wonder that companies are refusing to update to Windows 8/8.1

On 2015-05-18 3:05 PM, Disguised wrote:
On 18-May-2015 15:00, . . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have avoided the Microsoft Store, but do accept updates of Windows
8.1. I don't knowingly save any thing online at Microsoft or other
online sites.

I recently bought a new Windows 8.1 computer, and set it up as required
by Microsoft.

I discovered that the wallpaper from my only other Windows 8.1, appeared
on my new computer. Also Solitaire and Mahjong which I got from the
Microsoft store appeared on my new computer. So far this was troubling
but not a significant problem.

I went to the church for a meeting and discovered that I did not have to
put the security code for the Church LAN into the new computer. This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

How can I remove these security codes/passwords from the Microsoft
sites.

What other passwords and such have they taken from my computer. I
transferred the profile form Thunderbird and Firefox so it was expected
they were on the new computer, But would I have had to transfer it or
does Microsoft take this information also.

If this is happening with all Windows 8.1 computers and above it is no
wonder that companies are refusing to update to Windows 8/8.1

It's not as collective as some other's have presented.

The Desktop settings are due to having configured or accepted Win 8.1's
user settings Sync.

The password entry is do to your browser (IE or 3rd party) having been
configured to remember passwords.

Both can be disabled.

Solitaire on Windows 8.1 **is** a Microsoft Store app. It requires a
MSFT account.

The presence and/or use of a Microsoft account does not preclude one's
ability to disabled the Sync for user Settings.


When user Settings are configured to Sync, the data is stored on that
same MSFT Account OneDrive, thus when synced, use of that same MSFT
account on other devices will sync the same settings.

See this article on how to enable/disable Sync for User Settings. It has
two sections - one to choose which settings sync and the other to stop
syncing all settings.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...c-settings-pcs

If you stop syncing user settings and desire to remove content, then
logon to OneDrive (onedrive.com) and delete any appropriate, if still
present' folders.

I wouldn't be too hasty deleting that MSFT account as other's have
recommended. It's entirely likely in the foreseeable future, especially
if you upgrade to Windows 10 that a MSFT account will be necessary to
upgrade and in the foreseeable future receive updates via Windows Update.


...and in the foreseeable future maybe use Linux. :-)

People want quality software. Linux doesn't offer such a thing.

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

On 5/18/15 6:01 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-05-18 3:05 PM, Disguised wrote:
On 18-May-2015 15:00, . . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have avoided the Microsoft Store, but do accept updates of Windows
8.1. I don't knowingly save any thing online at Microsoft or other
online sites.

I recently bought a new Windows 8.1 computer, and set it up as required
by Microsoft.

I discovered that the wallpaper from my only other Windows 8.1, appeared
on my new computer. Also Solitaire and Mahjong which I got from the
Microsoft store appeared on my new computer. So far this was troubling
but not a significant problem.

I went to the church for a meeting and discovered that I did not have to
put the security code for the Church LAN into the new computer. This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

How can I remove these security codes/passwords from the Microsoft
sites.

What other passwords and such have they taken from my computer. I
transferred the profile form Thunderbird and Firefox so it was expected
they were on the new computer, But would I have had to transfer it or
does Microsoft take this information also.

If this is happening with all Windows 8.1 computers and above it is no
wonder that companies are refusing to update to Windows 8/8.1

It's not as collective as some other's have presented.

The Desktop settings are due to having configured or accepted Win 8.1's
user settings Sync.

The password entry is do to your browser (IE or 3rd party) having been
configured to remember passwords.

Both can be disabled.

Solitaire on Windows 8.1 **is** a Microsoft Store app. It requires a
MSFT account.

The presence and/or use of a Microsoft account does not preclude one's
ability to disabled the Sync for user Settings.


When user Settings are configured to Sync, the data is stored on that
same MSFT Account OneDrive, thus when synced, use of that same MSFT
account on other devices will sync the same settings.

See this article on how to enable/disable Sync for User Settings. It has
two sections - one to choose which settings sync and the other to stop
syncing all settings.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...c-settings-pcs

If you stop syncing user settings and desire to remove content, then
logon to OneDrive (onedrive.com) and delete any appropriate, if still
present' folders.

I wouldn't be too hasty deleting that MSFT account as other's have
recommended. It's entirely likely in the foreseeable future, especially
if you upgrade to Windows 10 that a MSFT account will be necessary to
upgrade and in the foreseeable future receive updates via Windows Update.


...and in the foreseeable future maybe use Linux. :-)

People want quality software. Linux doesn't offer such a thing.

Sadly, I don't believe most people want quality, in software or anything
else. It's free they are interested in.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 18-May-2015 20:01, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-05-18 3:05 PM, Disguised wrote:
On 18-May-2015 15:00, . . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have avoided the Microsoft Store, but do accept updates of Windows
8.1. I don't knowingly save any thing online at Microsoft or other
online sites.

I recently bought a new Windows 8.1 computer, and set it up as required
by Microsoft.

I discovered that the wallpaper from my only other Windows 8.1,
appeared
on my new computer. Also Solitaire and Mahjong which I got from the
Microsoft store appeared on my new computer. So far this was
troubling
but not a significant problem.

I went to the church for a meeting and discovered that I did not
have to
put the security code for the Church LAN into the new computer. This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

How can I remove these security codes/passwords from the Microsoft
sites.

What other passwords and such have they taken from my computer. I
transferred the profile form Thunderbird and Firefox so it was expected
they were on the new computer, But would I have had to transfer it or
does Microsoft take this information also.

If this is happening with all Windows 8.1 computers and above it is no
wonder that companies are refusing to update to Windows 8/8.1

It's not as collective as some other's have presented.

The Desktop settings are due to having configured or accepted Win 8.1's
user settings Sync.

The password entry is do to your browser (IE or 3rd party) having been
configured to remember passwords.

Both can be disabled.

Solitaire on Windows 8.1 **is** a Microsoft Store app. It requires a
MSFT account.

The presence and/or use of a Microsoft account does not preclude one's
ability to disabled the Sync for user Settings.


When user Settings are configured to Sync, the data is stored on that
same MSFT Account OneDrive, thus when synced, use of that same MSFT
account on other devices will sync the same settings.

See this article on how to enable/disable Sync for User Settings. It has
two sections - one to choose which settings sync and the other to stop
syncing all settings.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...c-settings-pcs

If you stop syncing user settings and desire to remove content, then
logon to OneDrive (onedrive.com) and delete any appropriate, if still
present' folders.

I wouldn't be too hasty deleting that MSFT account as other's have
recommended. It's entirely likely in the foreseeable future, especially
if you upgrade to Windows 10 that a MSFT account will be necessary to
upgrade and in the foreseeable future receive updates via Windows
Update.


...and in the foreseeable future maybe use Linux. :-)

People want quality software. Linux doesn't offer such a thing.


Do you really call Msft Windows quality software???
You must be living in another world.

On 5/19/2015 10:07 AM, Disguised wrote:
On 18-May-2015 20:01, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-05-18 3:05 PM, Disguised wrote:
On 18-May-2015 15:00, . . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have avoided the Microsoft Store, but do accept updates of Windows
8.1. I don't knowingly save any thing online at Microsoft or other
online sites.

I recently bought a new Windows 8.1 computer, and set it up as
required
by Microsoft.

I discovered that the wallpaper from my only other Windows 8.1,
appeared
on my new computer. Also Solitaire and Mahjong which I got from the
Microsoft store appeared on my new computer. So far this was
troubling
but not a significant problem.

I went to the church for a meeting and discovered that I did not
have to
put the security code for the Church LAN into the new computer. This
was troubling, as, if Microsoft has all of the LAN security
codes/passwords of the LANs I have accessed, what else have they
downloaded from my computer with out my knowledge.

How can I remove these security codes/passwords from the Microsoft
sites.

What other passwords and such have they taken from my computer. I
transferred the profile form Thunderbird and Firefox so it was
expected
they were on the new computer, But would I have had to transfer it or
does Microsoft take this information also.

If this is happening with all Windows 8.1 computers and above it is no
wonder that companies are refusing to update to Windows 8/8.1

It's not as collective as some other's have presented.

The Desktop settings are due to having configured or accepted Win 8.1's
user settings Sync.

The password entry is do to your browser (IE or 3rd party) having been
configured to remember passwords.

Both can be disabled.

Solitaire on Windows 8.1 **is** a Microsoft Store app. It requires a
MSFT account.

The presence and/or use of a Microsoft account does not preclude one's
ability to disabled the Sync for user Settings.


When user Settings are configured to Sync, the data is stored on that
same MSFT Account OneDrive, thus when synced, use of that same MSFT
account on other devices will sync the same settings.

See this article on how to enable/disable Sync for User Settings. It
has
two sections - one to choose which settings sync and the other to stop
syncing all settings.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...c-settings-pcs

If you stop syncing user settings and desire to remove content, then
logon to OneDrive (onedrive.com) and delete any appropriate, if still
present' folders.

I wouldn't be too hasty deleting that MSFT account as other's have
recommended. It's entirely likely in the foreseeable future, especially
if you upgrade to Windows 10 that a MSFT account will be necessary to
upgrade and in the foreseeable future receive updates via Windows
Update.


...and in the foreseeable future maybe use Linux. :-)

People want quality software. Linux doesn't offer such a thing.


Do you really call Msft Windows quality software???
You must be living in another world.

Sure beats the hell out of Linux

Rene