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  #1  
Old June 1st 15, 10:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
JiiPee
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Default Windows 8 or 10?

Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free after
the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.
After that period – not to mention for standalone copies of the OS – the
asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the price I
already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10 is asking more money
after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and is
supported.

How long Win8 will be supported? I Think I heard that win7 is supported
at least 5 more years. So I guess win8 also at least 5 years.

Also, it is not good at all if it is unknown whether people have to pay
after one year with Win10. Why? Because if I have to pay then I have to
do again a new installation with Win8 after using Win10 one year. That
will be a lot of work going backwards (because I have propably installed
many new programs with win10 and now I have to re-install all of them if
going back to win8).

What are you guys going to do if Win10 price is uncertain? Are you going
to take a risk and still upgrade to it or stay with win8?
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Old June 1st 15, 10:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Adam Kubias
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Default Windows 8 or 10?

On 2015-06-01 5:03 PM, JiiPee wrote:
Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free after
the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.
After that period – not to mention for standalone copies of the OS – the
asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the price I
already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10 is asking more money
after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and is
supported.

How long Win8 will be supported? I Think I heard that win7 is supported
at least 5 more years. So I guess win8 also at least 5 years.

Also, it is not good at all if it is unknown whether people have to pay
after one year with Win10. Why? Because if I have to pay then I have to
do again a new installation with Win8 after using Win10 one year. That
will be a lot of work going backwards (because I have propably installed
many new programs with win10 and now I have to re-install all of them if
going back to win8).

What are you guys going to do if Win10 price is uncertain? Are you going
to take a risk and still upgrade to it or stay with win8?


I will hold off for a bit. I don't think they could start locking down
computers. If they do, back to Ubuntu for me.
  #3  
Old June 1st 15, 10:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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JiiPee wrote on 6/1/2015 5:03 PM:
Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free after the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year. After that period – not to mention for standalone
copies of the OS – the asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the price I already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10
is asking more money after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and is supported.

How long Win8 will be supported? I Think I heard that win7 is supported at least 5 more years. So I guess win8 also at
least 5 years.

Also, it is not good at all if it is unknown whether people have to pay after one year with Win10. Why? Because if I
have to pay then I have to do again a new installation with Win8 after using Win10 one year. That will be a lot of work
going backwards (because I have propably installed many new programs with win10 and now I have to re-install all of them
if going back to win8).

What are you guys going to do if Win10 price is uncertain? Are you going to take a risk and still upgrade to it or stay
with win8?

You should follow all the talk on the alt.comp.os.windows-10 group.

That being said, there is no finite answer to your questions. One this if it were me, I would do an image or two of a
virgin 10 upgrade once done and hold onto it. And do more as time goes buy. If you HD blows, restore the image on the
replacement drive.

The real issue (and again see the 10 group) is what if hardware is changed, now your image is possibly useless, and a
DVD would have been nice, or an ISO.

There are way too many questions and way too few answers so far. I just wish those farts at MS you release a detail
report and let people know what they can or cannot do. Of course from a marketing standpoint that might scare some off
if the answers are not what they want.

  #4  
Old June 1st 15, 10:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2015-06-01 5:03 PM, JiiPee wrote:
Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free after
the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.
After that period – not to mention for standalone copies of the OS – the
asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the price I
already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10 is asking more money
after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and is
supported.


I don't know why people have so much trouble reading. It's free if you
download and install it during the first year of its release. After the
first year of its release, you will have to pay to obtain it but not to
use it.

How long Win8 will be supported? I Think I heard that win7 is supported
at least 5 more years. So I guess win8 also at least 5 years.

Also, it is not good at all if it is unknown whether people have to pay
after one year with Win10. Why? Because if I have to pay then I have to
do again a new installation with Win8 after using Win10 one year. That
will be a lot of work going backwards (because I have propably installed
many new programs with win10 and now I have to re-install all of them if
going back to win8).

What are you guys going to do if Win10 price is uncertain? Are you going
to take a risk and still upgrade to it or stay with win8?


I trust Microsoft. While people hated Vista, I thought it was pretty
innovative and fairly stable. Windows ME stunk, but that's the only
Microsoft OS I really thought was awful even though it introduced great
new features.

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Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)
  #5  
Old June 1st 15, 10:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
JiiPee
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Default Windows 8 or 10?

On 01/06/2015 22:17, Big_Al wrote:
JiiPee wrote on 6/1/2015 5:03 PM:
Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free
after the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.
After that period – not to mention for standalone
copies of the OS – the asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the
price I already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10
is asking more money after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as
long as it runs and is supported.

How long Win8 will be supported? I Think I heard that win7 is
supported at least 5 more years. So I guess win8 also at
least 5 years.

Also, it is not good at all if it is unknown whether people have to
pay after one year with Win10. Why? Because if I
have to pay then I have to do again a new installation with Win8
after using Win10 one year. That will be a lot of work
going backwards (because I have propably installed many new programs
with win10 and now I have to re-install all of them
if going back to win8).

What are you guys going to do if Win10 price is uncertain? Are you
going to take a risk and still upgrade to it or stay
with win8?

You should follow all the talk on the alt.comp.os.windows-10 group.


oh, tried but did not find that... need to double try maybe...




There are way too many questions and way too few answers so far. I
just wish those farts at MS you release a detail report and let people
know what they can or cannot do. Of course from a marketing
standpoint that might scare some off if the answers are not what they
want.


yes exactly. needs more information so can make a choice


  #6  
Old June 1st 15, 10:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
JiiPee
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On 01/06/2015 22:28, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-01 5:03 PM, JiiPee wrote:
Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free after
the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.
After that period – not to mention for standalone copies of the OS – the
asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the price I
already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10 is asking more money
after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and is
supported.


I don't know why people have so much trouble reading. It's free if you
download and install it during the first year of its release. After
the first year of its release, you will have to pay to obtain it but
not to use it.


Thats not what they say on this wweb site:
http://www.techradar.com/news/softwa...atures-1029245

so who is right? well, i hope you are right .

if you are right, why people then confuse like this ?


How long Win8 will be supported? I Think I heard that win7 is supported
at least 5 more years. So I guess win8 also at least 5 years.

Also, it is not good at all if it is unknown whether people have to pay
after one year with Win10. Why? Because if I have to pay then I have to
do again a new installation with Win8 after using Win10 one year. That
will be a lot of work going backwards (because I have propably installed
many new programs with win10 and now I have to re-install all of them if
going back to win8).

What are you guys going to do if Win10 price is uncertain? Are you going
to take a risk and still upgrade to it or stay with win8?


I trust Microsoft. While people hated Vista, I thought it was pretty
innovative and fairly stable. Windows ME stunk, but that's the only
Microsoft OS I really thought was awful even though it introduced
great new features.


been using many months now win8. and am happy with it.


  #7  
Old June 1st 15, 10:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Slimer
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Default Windows 8 or 10?

On 2015-06-01 5:34 PM, JiiPee wrote:
On 01/06/2015 22:28, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-01 5:03 PM, JiiPee wrote:
Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free after
the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.
After that period – not to mention for standalone copies of the OS – the
asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the price I
already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10 is asking more money
after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and is
supported.


I don't know why people have so much trouble reading. It's free if you
download and install it during the first year of its release. After
the first year of its release, you will have to pay to obtain it but
not to use it.


Thats not what they say on this wweb site:
http://www.techradar.com/news/softwa...atures-1029245


so who is right? well, i hope you are right .

if you are right, why people then confuse like this ?


Actually, the web site says the exact same thing that I did.

--
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Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)
  #8  
Old June 1st 15, 11:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 22:03:10 +0100, JiiPee wrote:

Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free after
the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.
After that period ? not to mention for standalone copies of the OS ? the
asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the price I
already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10 is asking more money
after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and is
supported.



You are misreading that statement. You can get it for free for one
year after release (July 29). After the end of that year, you can no
longer *get* it for free, but if you already have it, you have it. No
payment is required to continue using it.



How long Win8 will be supported?



Until January 10, 2023, See
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle


I Think I heard that win7 is supported
at least 5 more years.



Until January 14, 2020



So I guess win8 also at least 5 years.



Don't guess. Read what I says on the link above.


Also, it is not good at all if it is unknown whether people have to pay
after one year with Win10.



It is *not* unknown. It's very clear.

  #9  
Old June 1st 15, 11:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
JiiPee
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On 01/06/2015 23:02, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 22:03:10 +0100, JiiPee wrote:

Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free after
the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.
After that period ? not to mention for standalone copies of the OS ? the
asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the price I
already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10 is asking more money
after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and is
supported.


You are misreading that statement. You can get it for free for one
year after release (July 29). After the end of that year, you can no
longer *get* it for free, but if you already have it, you have it. No
payment is required to continue using it.




ok, then its win10 for me
  #10  
Old June 1st 15, 11:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Big_Al[_4_]
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JiiPee wrote on 6/1/2015 5:28 PM:
oh, tried but did not find that... need to double try maybe...


Refresh your newsgroup list from you provider.
If you haven't done so in a few months, it's relatively new group so may not be in your current list.

  #11  
Old June 1st 15, 11:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
JiiPee
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On 01/06/2015 23:24, Big_Al wrote:
JiiPee wrote on 6/1/2015 5:28 PM:
oh, tried but did not find that... need to double try maybe...


Refresh your newsgroup list from you provider.
If you haven't done so in a few months, it's relatively new group so
may not be in your current list.


yes you right, got it now
  #12  
Old June 2nd 15, 12:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Stef
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Default Windows 8 or 10?

JiiPee wrote:

Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free after
the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.
After that period – not to mention for standalone copies of the OS – the
asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the price I
already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10 is asking more money
after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and is
supported.

How long Win8 will be supported? I Think I heard that win7 is supported
at least 5 more years. So I guess win8 also at least 5 years.

Also, it is not good at all if it is unknown whether people have to pay
after one year with Win10. Why? Because if I have to pay then I have to
do again a new installation with Win8 after using Win10 one year. That
will be a lot of work going backwards (because I have propably installed
many new programs with win10 and now I have to re-install all of them if
going back to win8).

What are you guys going to do if Win10 price is uncertain? Are you going
to take a risk and still upgrade to it or stay with win8?


I'm going to do what I've been doing for the past dozen+ years: Use XP
for those things Windows; and Linux for everything else. Never upgraded
to 7, 8, 8.1, and certainly will not to 10. XP still works just fine,
thank you very much.

Stef

  #13  
Old June 2nd 15, 01:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2015-06-01 6:48 PM, Zaghadka wrote:

Also, if Windows Media Player 12 isn't in the RTM, I'm out. No way am I
using XBox Music to listen to my music: it gets the tags very wrong, and
it doesn't rip CDs. It is also not going to look good in a window.

They killed Media Center for sure, but if Media _Player_ is gone, so too
am I, at least until 2023 rolls in. ;^)


Dude, just use MediaMonkey. It rips into the same formats as Windows
Media Player but also allows you to rip CDs securely (if you register it
and if that feature matters to you). Also, it has excellent tag
management. Also, it allows you to rip to a specific decibel level (to
keep the tracks at the same volume) and levels the volume for anything
you didn't rip with it directly. Why hope that Microsoft provides you
with something decent when something excellent exists free of charge?

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)
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Old June 2nd 15, 01:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Stef wrote:


I'm going to do what I've been doing for the past dozen+ years: Use XP
for those things Windows; and Linux for everything else. Never upgraded
to 7, 8, 8.1, and certainly will not to 10. XP still works just fine,
thank you very much.

Stef

If you don't need/use computers then you don't need to get Windows 10. In
fact you don't also need power because you can go and live in caves with
Taliban fighters.

Some of us in the west have to earn a living and computers are the only way
to do that.


  #15  
Old June 2nd 15, 01:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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JiiPee wrote:
Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free after
the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.


That has been publicly known for about 6 months. User of Win7SP1 and Win
8.1 have one year from Windows 10 availability to upgrade for free to
Windows 10.

Today, June 1st, 2015 Microsoft announced that the free year starts on
July 29, 2015 and ends on July 29, 2016.

Windows Editions available editions are shown he
https://windowsunplugged.wordpress.c...s-10-editions/


After that period – not to mention for standalone copies of the OS – the
asking price is still a mystery."


Standalone copies will all be full version media (no upgrade media, and
consistent with the practice in place for Windows 8.1 and Office 2010
and Office 2013 standalone software).

Price is expected to be comparable to Windows 8.1 full version edition
pricing with a slight increase compared to 8.1 (about $10 US)

Newegg has already advertising Windows 10 Home and Pro OEM Stand-alone
pricing.
Windows 10 Home (32 or 64 bit) Full version OEM - $110 U.S.
Windows 10 Pro (32 or 64 bit) Full version OEM - $150 U.S.
- Note: OEM editions only recieve one DVD 32 or 64 bit, ***not both***

Based on the above $10 increase and consistent with 8.1 retail pricing
then the retail edition (non-OEM) will cost:
Windows 10 Home (32 bit and 64 bit) Full version - $120-$130 U.S.
Windows 10 Pro (32 bit and 64 bit) Full Version - $200-$210 U.S.



This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the price I
already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10 is asking more money
after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and is
supported.


Window 8 can be upgraded for free to Windows 8.1 and Windows 8.1 can be
upgraded for free to Windows 10.

How long Win8 will be supported?


Windows 8.0 is only supported until January 2016 (approx. two years
after release of Windows 8.1)
- The Windows 8 baseline for support is Windows 8.1 Update. Windows
Update 8.1 is required to continue to obtain updates and patches via
Windows Update and was effective circa June 2014.


Also, it is not good at all if it is unknown whether people have to pay
after one year with Win10.


If one does not upgrade from Win7SP1 or Win 8.1 in the first year they
will have to purchase full version media at the pricing noted above.
- this is no different than what occurred for Windows 8.0 after the
short term (90 day introductory price that expired in January 2013).
Instead of 90 days at a introductory price of $40, Win 10 is free for
365 days (one year).

Why? Because if I have to pay then I have to
do again a new installation with Win8 after using Win10 one year. That
will be a lot of work going backwards (because I have propably installed
many new programs with win10 and now I have to re-install all of them if
going back to win8).


You've a choice, like all of the rest of us and the other hundreds of
millions of users. One choice is more economical than the other.



What are you guys going to do if Win10 price is uncertain?


Free vs $110-$130 or $150-$210 is would seem to be a no-brainer for most
desiring the more economical approach. Not all will choose that path for
a variety of reasons...but one does have a year from July 29, 2015 to
determine what path to travel.

Are you going
to take a risk and still upgrade to it or stay with win8?

Imo, there is little reason to stay with Windows 8.0 - it has a finite
life-cycle which ends in January 2016. Retaing Windows 8.1 may offer
some advantages over Windows 10 but those may very well be insignificant
since Windows 10 will only be updated (no Windows 11 or later) not
upgrading 'for free' will always be an economic penalty (for o/s or new
hardware etc.).

Note: Windows 7 users have about 5 years of support left, Windows 8.1
about 10.



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