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Can you boot from a flash drive? Disadvantages?
IIUC, even though one still can't boot any version of Windows from an
external HDD, one CAN boot winXP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10 from a flash drive. True? If this is true, how come it doesn't get more publicity? After all, a flashdrive is even more convenient than a harddrive. You could put one in every suitcase. Last I heard you couldn't write to a flashdrive as many times as a harddrive, because they wore out, but you could arrange, I think, to write to a second flashdrive, which you could replace periodicially. But for booting purposes, you only need the OS, either none of which or very little of which ever gets updated. |
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On 25/08/2016 16:29, Micky wrote:
After all, a flashdrive is even more convenient than a harddrive. You could put one in every suitcase. You are an idiot. OS is supposed to be permanent on a hard drive. It is not something you carry with you in a flash drive or portable hard drive even if it is technically possible. OS is OS and it is the same on every machine. Windows 7 professional on one machine is identical to Windows 7 on another machine. you don't need to carry a flash drive for it. Why don't you carry a Linux drive if all you want to do is to hack into somebody's machine and damage it. Have you thought of taking some ropes with you to a very high building and jump from it!!!! This will be more fun then hacking somebody's machine. -- With over 350 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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On 8/25/2016 10:11 AM, Good Guy wrote:
On 25/08/2016 16:29, Micky wrote: After all, a flashdrive is even more convenient than a harddrive. You could put one in every suitcase. You are an idiot. OS is supposed to be permanent on a hard drive. It is not something you carry with you in a flash drive or portable hard drive even if it is technically possible. OS is OS and it is the same on every machine. Windows 7 professional on one machine is identical to Windows 7 on another machine. you don't need to carry a flash drive for it. Why don't you carry a Linux drive if all you want to do is to hack into somebody's machine and damage it. WRONG!! My Windows 7 SP1 (x64) is most likely NOT identical to someone else's Windows 7 SP1 (x64). I evaluate updates to Windows 7, choosing which updates to install and which ones to reject. Others might choose differently, and still others install all updates without evaluating them. -- David E. Ross Republicans scream that Hillary Clinton was responsible for the tragedy in Benghazi. They conveniently forget that it was the Republican-controlled Congress that drastically cut the State Department's budget for embassy and consulate protection. |
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On 25/08/2016 18:21, David E. Ross wrote:
WRONG!! My Windows 7 SP1 (x64) is most likely NOT identical to someone else's Windows 7 SP1 (x64). I evaluate updates to Windows 7, choosing which updates to install and which ones to reject. Others might choose differently, and still others install all updates without evaluating them. Don't talk rubbish. windows 7 is windows 7 not matter what patches you have installed. -- With over 350 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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On 8/25/2016 8:29 AM, Micky wrote:
IIUC, even though one still can't boot any version of Windows from an external HDD, one CAN boot winXP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10 from a flash drive. True? If this is true, how come it doesn't get more publicity? After all, a flashdrive is even more convenient than a harddrive. You could put one in every suitcase. Last I heard you couldn't write to a flashdrive as many times as a harddrive, because they wore out, but you could arrange, I think, to write to a second flashdrive, which you could replace periodicially. But for booting purposes, you only need the OS, either none of which or very little of which ever gets updated. I installed Memtest86+ -- a memory test and diagnosis tool -- from http://www.memtest86.com/ on a flash drive. The tool does not run under Windows; instead it runs independently. To run this tool, I boot from the flash drive. The tool runs equally well for my own Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows XP PC because it is indeed independent of the operating system. To avoid corrupting the normal boot-up process of Windows, I record the boot setup on paper before changing to boot from the flash drive. That way, I can then restore the normal Windows boot setup, which seems to vary slightly between my Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows XP PC. Short answer: Yes, a PC can be booted up from a flash drive. -- David E. Ross Republicans scream that Hillary Clinton was responsible for the tragedy in Benghazi. They conveniently forget that it was the Republican-controlled Congress that drastically cut the State Department's budget for embassy and consulate protection. |
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On 8/25/2016 10:25 AM, Good Guy wrote:
On 25/08/2016 18:21, David E. Ross wrote: WRONG!! My Windows 7 SP1 (x64) is most likely NOT identical to someone else's Windows 7 SP1 (x64). I evaluate updates to Windows 7, choosing which updates to install and which ones to reject. Others might choose differently, and still others install all updates without evaluating them. Don't talk rubbish. windows 7 is windows 7 not matter what patches you have installed. You are the one talking rubbish (as usual). You said: OS is OS and it is the same on every machine. Windows 7 professional on one machine is identical to Windows 7 on another machine. Windows 7 Ultimate is not the same as Windows 7 Professional. Furthermore, "identical" means "similar or alike in every way" and "agreeing exactly" (Random House Dictionary). If two PCs have different Windows updates, they are neither alike in every way nor agree exactly. I apologize to everyone else in this thread. I should not have replied to Good Guy. Replies only cause him to generate more noise and heat but less sense and light. -- David E. Ross Republicans scream that Hillary Clinton was responsible for the tragedy in Benghazi. They conveniently forget that it was the Republican-controlled Congress that drastically cut the State Department's budget for embassy and consulate protection. |
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Micky wrote:
one CAN boot winXP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10 from a flash I'll sit here and wait while you test this. Here is a picture to look at, while you develop your test plan. https://s3.postimg.org/6nsqks4yb/ina...oot_volume.jpg Paul |
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-08-25 13:32, David E. Ross wrote: On 8/25/2016 8:29 AM, Micky wrote: IIUC, even though one still can't boot any version of Windows from an external HDD, one CAN boot winXP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10 from a flash drive. True? If this is true, how come it doesn't get more publicity? After all, a flashdrive is even more convenient than a harddrive. You could put one in every suitcase. Last I heard you couldn't write to a flashdrive as many times as a harddrive, because they wore out, but you could arrange, I think, to write to a second flashdrive, which you could replace periodicially. But for booting purposes, you only need the OS, either none of which or very little of which ever gets updated. I installed Memtest86+ -- a memory test and diagnosis tool -- from http://www.memtest86.com/ on a flash drive. The tool does not run under Windows; instead it runs independently. To run this tool, I boot from the flash drive. The tool runs equally well for my own Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows XP PC because it is indeed independent of the operating system. To avoid corrupting the normal boot-up process of Windows, I record the boot setup on paper before changing to boot from the flash drive. That way, I can then restore the normal Windows boot setup, which seems to vary slightly between my Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows XP PC. Boot sequence setup is a BIOS thing, has nothing to do with the OS. Short answer: Yes, a PC can be booted up from a flash drive. Or any USB connected drive. Many thanks for that, Wolf. Succinctly answers one key question I've been banging on about in a couple of threads, such as Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10 Subject: Testing an image Message-ID: and Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10 Subject: Image in ISO format Message-ID: How about the follow up question: could you RESTORE from that external HD image (or exact clone) onto your original C: drive? Which may simply be screwed up beyond a simple System Restore, or, in extreme, physically damaged and duly replaced with a fresh one. In my case it's a 256 GB SSD. If so, given the relative simplicity of this, I'm curious why it doesn't get more publicity? Most replies I've had about how to test a freshly made image is to physically replace the C: drive - a No-No as far as I'm concerned. -- Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-08-25 13:32, David E. Ross wrote: On 8/25/2016 8:29 AM, Micky wrote: IIUC, even though one still can't boot any version of Windows from an external HDD, one CAN boot winXP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10 from a flash drive. True? If this is true, how come it doesn't get more publicity? After all, a flashdrive is even more convenient than a harddrive. You could put one in every suitcase. Last I heard you couldn't write to a flashdrive as many times as a harddrive, because they wore out, but you could arrange, I think, to write to a second flashdrive, which you could replace periodicially. But for booting purposes, you only need the OS, either none of which or very little of which ever gets updated. I installed Memtest86+ -- a memory test and diagnosis tool -- from http://www.memtest86.com/ on a flash drive. The tool does not run under Windows; instead it runs independently. To run this tool, I boot from the flash drive. The tool runs equally well for my own Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows XP PC because it is indeed independent of the operating system. To avoid corrupting the normal boot-up process of Windows, I record the boot setup on paper before changing to boot from the flash drive. That way, I can then restore the normal Windows boot setup, which seems to vary slightly between my Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows XP PC. Boot sequence setup is a BIOS thing, has nothing to do with the OS. Short answer: Yes, a PC can be booted up from a flash drive. Or any USB connected drive. ------- Minutes after my upbeat post to you, I read Paul's post here, which suggests a different and disappointing answer. Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Restoring a system image Message-ID: -- Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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"Terry Pinnell" wrote in message ... Wolf K wrote: On 2016-08-25 13:32, David E. Ross wrote: On 8/25/2016 8:29 AM, Micky wrote: IIUC, even though one still can't boot any version of Windows from an external HDD, one CAN boot winXP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10 from a flash drive. True? If this is true, how come it doesn't get more publicity? After all, a flashdrive is even more convenient than a harddrive. You could put one in every suitcase. Last I heard you couldn't write to a flashdrive as many times as a harddrive, because they wore out, but you could arrange, I think, to write to a second flashdrive, which you could replace periodicially. But for booting purposes, you only need the OS, either none of which or very little of which ever gets updated. I installed Memtest86+ -- a memory test and diagnosis tool -- from http://www.memtest86.com/ on a flash drive. The tool does not run under Windows; instead it runs independently. To run this tool, I boot from the flash drive. The tool runs equally well for my own Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows XP PC because it is indeed independent of the operating system. To avoid corrupting the normal boot-up process of Windows, I record the boot setup on paper before changing to boot from the flash drive. That way, I can then restore the normal Windows boot setup, which seems to vary slightly between my Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows XP PC. Boot sequence setup is a BIOS thing, has nothing to do with the OS. Short answer: Yes, a PC can be booted up from a flash drive. Or any USB connected drive. ------- Minutes after my upbeat post to you, I read Paul's post here, which suggests a different and disappointing answer. I don't know what sort of problem Paul ran into and I have never had Win 7 but I have and do boot Win 8 and 10 from both flash and regular external drives. |
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On 25/08/2016 19:09, David E. Ross wrote:
I apologize to everyone else in this thread. I should not have replied to Good Guy. Replies only cause him to generate more noise and heat but less sense and light. I hope you'll apologise for telling lies to the world that you have filtered me and yet you keep replying to me. Are you some demented Jewish father whose daughters have turned gay because their father was completely useless and couldn't raise them to be good, decent women of high repute? Or are you telling us that you produced very ugly daughters that no sensible man would touch them and so they became gay? What is it idiot? You also need to prove to us that you are indeed Jewish by dropping your trousers!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 -- If you want to filter all of my posts then please read this article: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/organize-your-messages-using-filters In step 7 select "Delete" With over 350 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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dadiOH wrote:
"Terry Pinnell" wrote in message ... Wolf K wrote: On 2016-08-25 13:32, David E. Ross wrote: On 8/25/2016 8:29 AM, Micky wrote: IIUC, even though one still can't boot any version of Windows from an external HDD, one CAN boot winXP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10 from a flash drive. True? If this is true, how come it doesn't get more publicity? After all, a flashdrive is even more convenient than a harddrive. You could put one in every suitcase. Last I heard you couldn't write to a flashdrive as many times as a harddrive, because they wore out, but you could arrange, I think, to write to a second flashdrive, which you could replace periodicially. But for booting purposes, you only need the OS, either none of which or very little of which ever gets updated. I installed Memtest86+ -- a memory test and diagnosis tool -- from http://www.memtest86.com/ on a flash drive. The tool does not run under Windows; instead it runs independently. To run this tool, I boot from the flash drive. The tool runs equally well for my own Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows XP PC because it is indeed independent of the operating system. To avoid corrupting the normal boot-up process of Windows, I record the boot setup on paper before changing to boot from the flash drive. That way, I can then restore the normal Windows boot setup, which seems to vary slightly between my Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows XP PC. Boot sequence setup is a BIOS thing, has nothing to do with the OS. Short answer: Yes, a PC can be booted up from a flash drive. Or any USB connected drive. ------- Minutes after my upbeat post to you, I read Paul's post here, which suggests a different and disappointing answer. I don't know what sort of problem Paul ran into and I have never had Win 7 but I have and do boot Win 8 and 10 from both flash and regular external drives. Did you use some kind of BootBusExtender hack ? It's possible to keep the USB bus operating, if the USB bus is set up by the boot loader, earlier in the boot sequence. Otherwise, the boot process should get stuck, when the USB bus is reset part way though the boot. And that's when you should see the Inaccessible Boot Volume STOP code. ******* Does a Windows 7 installer pen drive boot ? Yes. Does a Windows 7 System Image recovery pen drive boot ? Yes. Both of those are WinPE environments, not installed OSes. Does an installed Windows OS boot over USB ? Not unless the status of the USB bus is changed via BootBusExtender. I specifically tested Windows 10 today, to see if the situation had changed, and you can see the failure picture - it's a picture of an installed OS, C:\Windows etc, which is trying to boot over USB. And that's an actual Windows OS and not WinPE. I took a SATA drive with the OS on it, and placed it in a USB3 enclosure and attempted to boot it. I don't think I could actually install Windows onto a pen drive. It would probably complain. Whereas cloning will solve the issue of getting the files onto the stick, but without BootBusExtender support to move the commissioning of the USB bus forward in the boot sequence, it should not finish the boot. Paul |
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On 8/25/2016 8:29 AM, Micky wrote:
IIUC, even though one still can't boot any version of Windows from an external HDD, one CAN boot winXP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10 from a flash drive. True? If this is true, how come it doesn't get more publicity? After all, a flashdrive is even more convenient than a harddrive. You could put one in every suitcase. Last I heard you couldn't write to a flashdrive as many times as a harddrive, because they wore out, but you could arrange, I think, to write to a second flashdrive, which you could replace periodicially. But for booting purposes, you only need the OS, either none of which or very little of which ever gets updated. What's your definition of "boot"?? I've never been able to RUN win7 from a usb drive. INSTALL windows from a flash drive, yes. RUN windows, NO. It is possible to RUN an app from a usb drive under winPE. Hiren's boot CD (optionally run from a flash drive) and other similar setups provide a bootable environment to run specific apps for diagnostic purposes, but fall short of a real OS. Windows to go hacks exist to run it on non-enterprise versions of win8-10. There are also similar clones. I never had much luck trying to get them to work. Theoretically, you can plug one into any "compatible computer", but I had more driver failures than successes. It IS possible to RUN linux booted from a usb drive. In particular, Puppy Linux (I like MacPup 5.50) will boot from a flash drive, instantiate itself into RAM and run just fine. Runs completely in RAM without writing the flash drive (much). It copies changes back to the flash drive when you shutdown, so it's persistent. Has no effect on the OS installed on the hard drive unless you mount it and copy stuff there. So, if you want a portable version of an OS, MacPup is an excellent choice. It packs a large capability into a small space. Has excellent driver support...you can add drivers and they are persistent. Excellent for moving between a few known computers. Plugging it into a random old computer may be problematic. If it needs a different lan driver and the lan don't work, you're stuck. But, it ain't windows. |
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On 8/25/2016 11:29 AM, Micky wrote:
IIUC, even though one still can't boot any version of Windows from an external HDD, one CAN boot winXP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10 from a flash drive. True? If this is true, how come it doesn't get more publicity? After all, a flashdrive is even more convenient than a harddrive. You could put one in every suitcase. Last I heard you couldn't write to a flashdrive as many times as a harddrive, because they wore out, but you could arrange, I think, to write to a second flashdrive, which you could replace periodicially. But for booting purposes, you only need the OS, either none of which or very little of which ever gets updated. For boot from USB look at http://www.komando.com/downloads/321418/your-operating-system-on-a-flash-drive?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=asd&utm_content=201 6-08-25-article-title |
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[Default] On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:36:32 -0400, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Wolf K wrote: On 2016-08-25 11:29, Micky wrote: IIUC, even though one still can't boot any version of Windows from an external HDD, one CAN boot winXP, Vista, 7, 8 and 10 from a flash drive. True? If this is true, how come it doesn't get more publicity? After all, a flashdrive is even more convenient than a harddrive. You could put one in every suitcase. Last I heard you couldn't write to a flashdrive as many times as a harddrive, because they wore out, but you could arrange, I think, to write to a second flashdrive, which you could replace periodicially. But for booting purposes, you only need the OS, either none of which or very little of which ever gets updated. You can boot from any USB connected drive. Search "how to boot windows Well this makes a lot more sense, though I'm sure I read within the last 6 months that one could not do this. Hence my opening question. from a usb flash drive" first hit I got was: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/tipstr...otusbflash.htm Lots more, some will be easier to follow than others. HTH Yes, there's a lot for me to look at, and I want to look at at least some of it before I try to answer the other replies. Thanks to all of you. |
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