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On 21/12/2017 15:27, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:38:43 -0000, Terry Casey
wrote:
http://www.acquris.se/images/philips_2202.jpg

Cool, thanks for the flashbacks. :-)
Similar concepts, slightly different execution.

I have one of those here, still in working order, still with its
original two part microphone (microphone and remote switch, with two
connectors to the machine), which worked well in its originally intended
role as a dictation machine.

What may not be widely known is that the following generation of Philips
machines, which had keyboard controls, used the same design of deck, and
some clever metalwork let the keys move the "gearstick"

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On 19/12/2017 Paul wrote:

To me, the best connector I've seen on a computer
back in the "devil may care" era of connector design,
is this connector. A video connector where they actually
used coaxial carriage of RGB, right on the connector.
They still didn't seem to give a damn about HV though.
We had these on Sun computers at work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB13W3

The best monitor, was my old Trinitron, which had five BNC
on the back for RGBHV.

My old boss once acquired, from a customer, one of those Sun Trinitron
monitors. The picture quality, once we managed to provide it with a signal
it liked, was outstanding. The trouble was, it was hard-wired to use one of
Sun's non-standard scan rates and couldn't be changed, so was no use for
anything else.

It also weighed half a ton and needed two people to lift it!


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On 20/12/2017 Brian Gaff wrote:
Hmm, well I remember you could get a variant of the old Philips VCR N1700
with bnc video in and out on the back as well as uhf.
The pictures were always better that way but they wanted nearly 100 quid
more just for two sockets!

That was the 1702 if I recall. (or 1720). Part of the reason for the extra
expense was, I think, that the circuit design didn't actually include a
composite video signal path anywhere, so the means of obtaining one had to
be created in extra circuitry. (I know the 1500 was like that).

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Laurence Taylor wrote:
On 19/12/2017 Paul wrote:

To me, the best connector I've seen on a computer
back in the "devil may care" era of connector design,
is this connector. A video connector where they actually
used coaxial carriage of RGB, right on the connector.
They still didn't seem to give a damn about HV though.
We had these on Sun computers at work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB13W3

The best monitor, was my old Trinitron, which had five BNC
on the back for RGBHV.

My old boss once acquired, from a customer, one of those Sun Trinitron
monitors. The picture quality, once we managed to provide it with a signal
it liked, was outstanding. The trouble was, it was hard-wired to use one of
Sun's non-standard scan rates and couldn't be changed, so was no use for
anything else.

It also weighed half a ton and needed two people to lift it!



Mine was multi-sync. I could run 1280x1024, 1152x870, 1024x768.
As you'd expect, it draws more power, with the higher settings.
Blanking the screen, doesn't save any power at all it seems.

And yes, it was heavy all right. I took it to the recycler
about a year ago, and had fun getting it up my basement stairs.
It's more bulky than heavy, and the idea is not to lose control
while on the stairwell.

*******

Sony kinda lost the thread when they did this one.

Some of our CAD people got these, and the light intensity
wasn't uniform over the surface of the tube. The only requirement
it met well, is it wouldn't blow away in a breeze.

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-GDM-FW90.../dp/B00004YNSR

Paul

In message , Laurence
Taylor writes:
On 20/12/2017 Brian Gaff wrote:
Hmm, well I remember you could get a variant of the old Philips VCR N1700
with bnc video in and out on the back as well as uhf.
The pictures were always better that way but they wanted nearly 100 quid
more just for two sockets!

That was the 1702 if I recall. (or 1720). Part of the reason for the extra
expense was, I think, that the circuit design didn't actually include a
composite video signal path anywhere, so the means of obtaining one had to
be created in extra circuitry. (I know the 1500 was like that).

Was it possible to _make_ something that worked under PAL-I (certainly
something of the nature of a video recorder) that didn't have composite
video at some point (even if not used)?
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In message , John Williamson
writes:
On 21/12/2017 15:27, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:38:43 -0000, Terry Casey
wrote:
http://www.acquris.se/images/philips_2202.jpg

Mine didn't have the bit to the right (unless that was empty space), and
had the later all-(smoky-)plastic cassette compartment cover, rather
than the one shown of metal with a little window. (The hinges were a
weak point in the all-plastic one.)
Cool, thanks for the flashbacks. :-)
Similar concepts, slightly different execution.

I have one of those here, still in working order, still with its
original two part microphone (microphone and remote switch, with two
connectors to the machine), which worked well in its originally
intended role as a dictation machine.

What may not be widely known is that the following generation of
Philips machines, which had keyboard controls, used the same design of
deck, and some clever metalwork let the keys move the "gearstick"

I didn't know that. I think the piano keys ones though had locking fast
wind/rewind though. (The gearshift was centre-sprung, which hurt your
fingers if you wanted to wind a significant part of a cassette.)
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Reality television. It's eroding the ability of good scripted television to
survive. - Patrick Duffy in Radio Times 2-8 February 2013

On 22/12/2017 00:33, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I didn't know that. I think the piano keys ones though had locking fast
wind/rewind though. (The gearshift was centre-sprung, which hurt your
fingers if you wanted to wind a significant part of a cassette.)

They behaved as you'd expect a piano key machine to behave with the key
locking done by the metalwork between the two parts. It was a rather
clever design, which meant they didn't have to retool the whole deck
production line, but just add a short one for making the adaptors.
Eventually, they went over to a similar design to everyone else.

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John.

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Mine didn't have the bit to the right (unless that was empty
space ...

As that is the recod level meter which doubles as battery
level meter on playback, I would have expected one somewhere!

I don't remember any of these machines having an automatic
record level function.

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On 12/17/2017 12:45 PM, Mayayana wrote:
Endless variations in
terms of GB and packages. GB/$ was all over the place.
It was madness
With USB drives there is an issue of quality that GB/$ does not compute.
I shop by speed/GB/$ I've found 32g for 5$ but they only show 10mbs
write speed. Then another for 12$ and it's more in the 50mbs range.

Sometimes you pay for what you get.

I agree with prev posts, a wooden canoe ore is a wooden ore. A gallon
of bleach is a gallon of bleach. Some things you can easily compare.


A 'wooden' ore? That's funny.
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On 12/22/2017 09:35 AM, Buffalo wrote:

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I agree with prev posts, a wooden canoe ore is a wooden ore.Â*Â* A
gallon of bleach is a gallon of bleach.Â*Â* Some things you can easily
compare.


A 'wooden' ore?Â* That's funny.

That "ore" is already on by list of the wrong word being used.

BTW, When I first heard of these in school they were being called
"homophones". I remember wondering what that meant, maybe telephones you
can use to call home? Also, there was "homo milk".

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Terry Casey writes:
In article ,
says...


Mine didn't have the bit to the right (unless that was empty
space ...

As that is the recod level meter which doubles as battery
level meter on playback, I would have expected one somewhere!

I meant mine was the same width as the cassette compartment cover. It
did have a record/battery meter somewhere.

I don't remember any of these machines having an automatic
record level function.

No, I liked them for that reason.
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Tue, 19 Dec 2017 11:43:01 GMT in
alt.windows7.general, wrote:

In message , Mayayana
writes:
[]
I moved on to USB sticks. 12 running feet of them on
a rack about 5' high. 3 or 4 brands. Endless variations in
terms of GB and packages. GB/$ was all over the place.
[]
Envy! I don't think I've ever seen that much selection in one
shop here in the UK, let alone Staples./Envy Not that I want USB
sticks - I'd buy 1 or 2G ones for a few tens of pence if I saw
them, but wouldn't trust or need anything bigger than 4 or 8 - but
that amount of footage suggests you also have similar choice in
other components.

Hehe. I have several different sized usb sticks. I picked up two
sandisk cruzer 32gig ones at Walmart the other day for 3 dollars each.
They can be useful for moving files around from machines that aren't
tied into the network, etc.


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On 22/12/2017 J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

That was the 1702 if I recall. (or 1720). Part of the reason for the extra
expense was, I think, that the circuit design didn't actually include a
composite video signal path anywhere, so the means of obtaining one had to
be created in extra circuitry. (I know the 1500 was like that).

Was it possible to _make_ something that worked under PAL-I (certainly
something of the nature of a video recorder) that didn't have composite
video at some point (even if not used)?

I'd have to unearth the manual to be sure, but as I remember all the signal
processing was done at RF (or IF, 37MHz or whatever it was) so neither luma
nor chroma existed in their basic form. Even the imput to the modulator was
separated; the "line out" socket on the 1500 had separate pins for chroma
and luma (a precursur to the current S-Video system!)

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In message , Laurence
Taylor writes:
On 22/12/2017 J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

That was the 1702 if I recall. (or 1720). Part of the reason for the extra
expense was, I think, that the circuit design didn't actually include a
composite video signal path anywhere, so the means of obtaining one had to
be created in extra circuitry. (I know the 1500 was like that).

Was it possible to _make_ something that worked under PAL-I (certainly
something of the nature of a video recorder) that didn't have composite
video at some point (even if not used)?

I'd have to unearth the manual to be sure, but as I remember all the signal
processing was done at RF (or IF, 37MHz or whatever it was) so neither luma
nor chroma existed in their basic form. Even the imput to the modulator was
separated; the "line out" socket on the 1500 had separate pins for chroma
and luma (a precursur to the current S-Video system!)

Are you saying that what was recorded on the tape was VSB rather than FM
modulated then?
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Well I wish you'd just tell me, rather than trying to engage my enthusiasm,
because I haven't got one. (Marvin; first series, fit the fifth.)

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:51:45 -0400, pjp
wrote:

In article , am
says...

"pjp" wrote

| I'm really ****ed that a company can mislead you in such a manner yet
| still end up with you vulnerable to them.

You really should check out the item at the
manufacturer site first. Also, as Paul clearly
detailed, you have to be careful about SKUs.
Home Depot is a good example of that. They
might sell a DeWalt jigsaw model T-12345 while
other stores sell T-12344. HD's is a custom
model. It won't be listed at DeWalt's site.
No guarantees.
Faucets are a good example
of that. HD carries the best brands, like Delta
or Moen. But they're not the same models
that you'd buy at a plumbing supply: Hoses
instead of copper tubing... Chrome-painted plastic
instead of metal... There are a hundred ways
to cut corners. And the model you buy today
may not exist next month.

You can avoid that by checking Sanyo for
the exact SKU.

But you're getting a good price, right? If you
went to a local store and supported local
business you'd probably pay a lot more. By
giving business to Walmart, Costco, Amazon,
etc, or by shopping online with those companies,
you're supporting mega-chain-store takeover
in exchange for cheaper prices. It's a deal with
the devil. Eventually you won't even get cheaper
prices. Eventually companies like Amazon and
Walmart will have to get into the black -- once
they've put the small companies out of business.

You only have to look at Home Depot or CVS
or Whole Foods to see how that strategy works
in the long term. Prices go up. Pricing becomes
arbitrary, based on computer predictions of what
they can get away with. It's no longer a retail
store buying items and reselling them for a
reasonable profit. It's a computerized system
that calculates what to charge and what to carry
on a daily basis, with profit the only factor in
those calculations.

Walmart is famous for their extreme approach

Unforetunately there's just too many things where Walmart is easiest. An
easy example is hubcaps for your car. You just know Walmart will have
something and it'll be way cheaper than even Canadian Tire let alone any
car shop or heaven forbid a dealership. Paddle for my canoe, same thing
etc. etc. etc. For me the basic problem for the little guy is everyone
in the chain is so greedy from person who actually owns store (rent)
right on down the line (owner of store itself) with the people who
actually make the product getting nada for their efforts.

What a resent is the fact an item is no longer priced by what it costs
to manufacture and bring to market but as already stated by another
capitalism's stated belief of charge whatever the market will bear which
equates to "be as greedy as you can get away with".

I think things would change if people stopped giving respect to wealth.
make that bank manager shovel his own driveway, change his own tires on
his car, for that matter he has to clean and mop "his" floors. People
should just refuse to do anything for them instead they should make them
feel unwanted even when in local store for pop or whatever etc. etc.
e,g, show them detestation and not respect. Dr.'s, lawyers etc. etc. too
many to name but they're all the same just greed.



What a resent is the fact an item is no longer priced by what it costs
to manufacture and bring to market

I don't know why anyone would price any item this way. It should be
priced on the perceived value to the customer.

Walker