HomeGroup Setup

What is the secret to setting up a "Homegroup" with a non-Windows
computer . . . . Or is this possible?

I am having a terrible time with getting file transfer between an OS/2
computer and Windows 7. Win7 sees the computer on the home network.
The OS/2 computer has a Network logon and password that still works
fine with Windows XP. On Win 7 only "Guest" w/o Password gets me to
the shares on the OS/2 maching, but anything beyond is "access
denied!"

Any help would be appreciated

Paul
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On 16 Dec 2017 20:41:29 GMT, PaulRS wrote:

What is the secret to setting up a "Homegroup" with a non-Windows
computer . . . . Or is this possible?

I am having a terrible time with getting file transfer between an OS/2
computer and Windows 7. Win7 sees the computer on the home network.
The OS/2 computer has a Network logon and password that still works
fine with Windows XP. On Win 7 only "Guest" w/o Password gets me to
the shares on the OS/2 maching, but anything beyond is "access
denied!"

Any help would be appreciated

I run ftpserver on the OS/2 system and use the ftp facility in windows
explorer to connect to it. It looks like a drive to explorer.

http://www.pmoylan.org/pages/os2/ftpserver.html

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PaulRS wrote:
What is the secret to setting up a "Homegroup" with a non-Windows
computer . . . . Or is this possible?

I am having a terrible time with getting file transfer between an OS/2
computer and Windows 7. Win7 sees the computer on the home network.
The OS/2 computer has a Network logon and password that still works
fine with Windows XP. On Win 7 only "Guest" w/o Password gets me to
the shares on the OS/2 maching, but anything beyond is "access
denied!"

Any help would be appreciated

Paul

So OS/2 is using SMB1 and WinXP is using SMB1.

Windows 7 has both SMB2 and SMB1. And it has fall-back
behavior. SMB candidates negotiate the highest mode they
both support.

There are enough variations in SMB, there are "revisions"
and "dialects". The revision is the 1,2,3 part. The dialect,
I'm not sure what that part is.

I only know that much, from attempting to debug a WinXP to Win10
problem after the SMB1 bug fix this year. I was watching the
protocol with Wireshark. Wireshark has a "dissector" alright,
but it doesn't give a breakdown on all the data fields. And
then you'd have to do it manually.

Mine was failing with an error from Windows 10 entitled
"Need More Information". So it wasn't actually a WinXP issue
as such. Windows 10 decided it needed some additional information
sent to it. I haven't a clue, at the time, what it was expecting.
Today, it's working again :-/

The SMB also uses crypto suites. And has 40 bit and 128 bit
options. This is to allow SMB to be used over the Internet,
although I don't know who would be brave enough to do that.
I'd run a VPN or pipe of some sort, to protect my SMB if it
was traveling over the Internet, and then it wouldn't matter
so much.

A general rule of thumb for SMB, is to use the same
account names and passwords on the two machines. So if
you're Joe on the left hand machine, and Paul on the right
hand machine, then if you log in from the left to the Paul
account, you might encounter problem with your Joe
file system credentials when attempting to transfer stuff.
Logging in is only part of the story. Rather than try
to understand all the nuances, it's simply better to
use "Paul" and "PaulsPassword" on both machines, so that
not only the local token on the machine is "Paul", but so
is the foreign side of things. The actual file system
doesn't use names like that, it uses SIDs, which are
long strings of numbers, and the strings of numbers
are *different* on each Windows machine. So at the SID
level, none of these things are the same. But at the
level of the file system you're working at, there are
advantages to the account symbolic names on either end
being identical. Even for Guest, this seems to make a
difference, don't ask me why. I'm just not very good
at debugging it.

*******

And I've definitely run into some goofy symptoms.

I have a Mac G4 running OS 10.2.x. And it has SMB
support too, probably SMB1. When I try to make a connection
from it, a username/password dialog appears on the Mac
side, but by the time that happens, the original connection
is dropped by the Windows end. If you enter your credentials
and hit "OK", the info goes nowhere. So that's a kind of
race condition. Where one end has said "you'll need to
authenticate" while at the same time signaling "this
connection is closed" :-)

*******

To get from the Mac G4 to the Windows box, I enable the
IIS FTP server (from Windows Features dialog), and use
FTP instead. I was using that today. I transferred
160GB this way.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...ver-windows-10

With FTP, you can even "pipe" things. This is a little
trick I learned a while back, on that same Mac G4.
The Mac was running the PPC version of Ubuntu 12.04
from a LiveCD, to disk dump transfer the entire hard
drive over FTP. The output of the "dd" command, it's
STDOUT, is going into the "sda" file on the foreign
Windows box.

ftp put "|sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=73728" sda

Paul

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:49:54 UTC, "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On 16 Dec 2017 20:41:29 GMT, PaulRS wrote:

What is the secret to setting up a "Homegroup" with a non-Windows
computer . . . . Or is this possible?

I am having a terrible time with getting file transfer between an OS/2
computer and Windows 7. Win7 sees the computer on the home network.
The OS/2 computer has a Network logon and password that still works
fine with Windows XP. On Win 7 only "Guest" w/o Password gets me to
the shares on the OS/2 maching, but anything beyond is "access
denied!"

Any help would be appreciated

I run ftpserver on the OS/2 system and use the ftp facility in windows
explorer to connect to it. It looks like a drive to explorer.

http://www.pmoylan.org/pages/os2/ftpserver.html


Thankyou! This OS/2 FTP server opened up so many options to me
between all the windows machines and Linux boxes as well. ;-))
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On 29 Dec 2017 03:51:16 GMT, PaulRS wrote:

Any help would be appreciated

I run ftpserver on the OS/2 system and use the ftp facility in windows
explorer to connect to it. It looks like a drive to explorer.

http://www.pmoylan.org/pages/os2/ftpserver.html


Thankyou! This OS/2 FTP server opened up so many options to me
between all the windows machines and Linux boxes as well. ;-))

Good, I'm glad to be able to help and thank you for coming back to let
us know that you got on with it.

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Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2
and built in 5 years;
UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/