OFF Topic - Walmart order

On 12/17/2017 10:42 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , says...

Call Walmart customer service !
Ask if feature is really there !

if not, cancel order.
It can be cancelled.

I have never had a problem returning or rejecting from Walmart, target
Lowes or anywhere else.

In fact, just two weeks ago I had a problem with an order and the
supplier, Lowes gave me a significant apology kick back to my cc and
this on a significantly discounted Black Friday order.

So quit whining and make the call.

After considerable research it appears I can likely work around the
ommission of a vga connection. PC being used to connect to it actually
has both vga and dvi connections as well as the composite tv-out
currently being used on the old analog tv. I could of course just
continue using the composite signal but the whole idea of a new tv is
better pic so thankfully it also appears it shouldn't be a problem using
a dvi to hdmi converter and run it into one of the hdmi ports on the tv.
It has specific audio inputs for just such a scenario. The question now
is does the composite input have it's own dedicated audio inputs also.
Manual isn't clear and there's no pic of the entire back inputs. In fact
pics in manual might not even mimic what tv actually looks like.

Get a chromecast and plug it in to an HDMI and you can just cast your
screen from the computer and no need for wires etc.

In message , Mayayana
writes:
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I moved on to USB sticks. 12 running feet of them on
a rack about 5' high. 3 or 4 brands. Endless variations in
terms of GB and packages. GB/$ was all over the place.
[]
Envy! I don't think I've ever seen that much selection in one shop
here in the UK, let alone Staples./Envy Not that I want USB sticks -
I'd buy 1 or 2G ones for a few tens of pence if I saw them, but wouldn't
trust or need anything bigger than 4 or 8 - but that amount of footage
suggests you also have similar choice in other components.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni Vidi Visa [I came, I saw, I did a little shopping] - Mik from S+AS Limited
), 1998

In message , Paul
writes:
[The usual excellent Paul article - on USB sticks. Thanks - marked as
keep, as I often do with Paul articles.]
and I could care less about them now :-)
[]
Think about that, and I think you'll find you meant "I _couldn't_ care
less". (I know "could care less" is the US norm for this expression.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Grief generates a huge energy in you and it's better for everybody if you
harness it to do something. - Judi Dench, RT 2015/2/28-3/6

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 20:27:26 -0400, pjp
wrote:
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I've seen Duracell-branded flash drives, as well as Polaroid-branded,
and I've stayed away because I figure both of those companies have no
interest in making such products. I imagine they were approached with a
licensing offer - let us stick your name on these outstanding products
in exchange for some money, except that the products are really crap.

Yes, I think that's very common. One of the worst, I think, is SONY:
I've seen their name on the zinc-carbon cells in poundshops. Sad, as
they do make very nice electronic equipment (somewhat overpriced
perhaps, but on the whole a name you can rely on). But they do seem to
let it be used on all sorts of junk items too. (Unless these are actual
pirate products, but one would have thought SONY's copyright department
would be stomping them were that so.) And they aren't the only such
brand.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Grief generates a huge energy in you and it's better for everybody if you
harness it to do something. - Judi Dench, RT 2015/2/28-3/6

In message , pjp
writes:
[]
a dvi to hdmi converter and run it into one of the hdmi ports on the tv.
It has specific audio inputs for just such a scenario. The question now
is does the composite input have it's own dedicated audio inputs also.
Manual isn't clear and there's no pic of the entire back inputs. In fact
pics in manual might not even mimic what tv actually looks like.

Don't come back to me if it isn't so, but I've never seen a TV with
composite video input that didn't have an accompanying pair of audio
inputs next to it. Usually all on "phono" (AKA "RCA") connectors, which
has always seemed an odd choice to me for a video signal, as surely it
was originally intended to be an audio connector (though I've even seen
it for UHF, e. g. modulator outputs).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Grief generates a huge energy in you and it's better for everybody if you
harness it to do something. - Judi Dench, RT 2015/2/28-3/6

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Think about that, and I think you'll find you meant "I _couldn't_ care
| less". (I know "could care less" is the US norm for this expression.)

It's actually not. I think it's just one of those
things, like "nucular". Some people have trouble
getting it straight and "could care less" is easier
to say in a mood of reckless, cynical diffidence...
What I think you people refer to as "snark".
"Couldn't" has so many rough edges. It requires
an effort of elocution that spoils the effect.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , pjp
writes:
[]
a dvi to hdmi converter and run it into one of the hdmi ports on the tv.
It has specific audio inputs for just such a scenario. The question now
is does the composite input have it's own dedicated audio inputs also.
Manual isn't clear and there's no pic of the entire back inputs. In fact
pics in manual might not even mimic what tv actually looks like.

Don't come back to me if it isn't so, but I've never seen a TV with
composite video input that didn't have an accompanying pair of audio
inputs next to it. Usually all on "phono" (AKA "RCA") connectors, which
has always seemed an odd choice to me for a video signal, as surely it
was originally intended to be an audio connector (though I've even seen
it for UHF, e. g. modulator outputs).

The claim here, is the Cinch connector was (for some reason) designed
as a 50 ohm connector. Yet it's used on 75 ohm video cables :-)

http://audiophilereview.com/cables/m...l-madness.html

As for the claim there, that connectors are "purely empirical",
that's not true. Maybe back when the Cinch was invented, it
was done that way (with a TDR as verification). There are
engineering CAD tools for the job today, but I wouldn't
say the level of trust in them is that high. "If you
ask 10 engineers their opinion, you'll get 11 answers."

And obviously, this fixation with impedance cannot be right.
In this picture, you can see some lads running 6GHz signals
through a handful of loose wire :-) What's not to like ?
"What is this impedance issue, of which you speak ?" You
can do just about anything with loose wire it seems.



Paul

On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 11:47:00 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Paul
writes:
[The usual excellent Paul article - on USB sticks. Thanks - marked as
keep, as I often do with Paul articles.]
and I could care less about them now :-)
[]
Think about that, and I think you'll find you meant "I _couldn't_ care
less". (I know "could care less" is the US norm for this expression.)

That's one of my pet peeves. Then again, Paul's not US-based, so maybe
it's a North American thing.

I see similar things on a regular basis, even in documentation that's
visible to customers, including:
all and all - instead of all in all
and other words - instead of in other words

I'll think of a half dozen more examples as soon as I send this.

--

Char Jackson

Yes the majority of 1980s home computers with modulators used a phono with a
slightly shorter centre pin for uhf output.
However video in and out on vcrs used all manner of stuff from pl259 to
bnc and even as you say phonos as well.


The Spectrums 128 and up had what they described as a peritel din on them
for video, which was Oi think RGB with no level control.

That made some games with shade look a little peculiar at the time.
The whole field of socketry seems to have been non standard.
The Einstein computer had colour difference signals like the Spectrum 48k
did as the composite on the edge connector was rubbish and full of digital
noise.
Brian

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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , pjp
writes:
[]
a dvi to hdmi converter and run it into one of the hdmi ports on the tv.
It has specific audio inputs for just such a scenario. The question now
is does the composite input have it's own dedicated audio inputs also.
Manual isn't clear and there's no pic of the entire back inputs. In fact
pics in manual might not even mimic what tv actually looks like.

Don't come back to me if it isn't so, but I've never seen a TV with
composite video input that didn't have an accompanying pair of audio
inputs next to it. Usually all on "phono" (AKA "RCA") connectors, which
has always seemed an odd choice to me for a video signal, as surely it was
originally intended to be an audio connector (though I've even seen it for
UHF, e. g. modulator outputs).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Grief generates a huge energy in you and it's better for everybody if you
harness it to do something. - Judi Dench, RT 2015/2/28-3/6

Wolf K wrote:

"could care less"

I'm almost sorry I threw that plum in there now :-)

This is why we play with explosives, to see how much
it takes to remove a finger :-)

Paul

Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes the majority of 1980s home computers with modulators used a phono with a
slightly shorter centre pin for uhf output.
However video in and out on vcrs used all manner of stuff from pl259 to
bnc and even as you say phonos as well.


The Spectrums 128 and up had what they described as a peritel din on them
for video, which was Oi think RGB with no level control.

That made some games with shade look a little peculiar at the time.
The whole field of socketry seems to have been non standard.
The Einstein computer had colour difference signals like the Spectrum 48k
did as the composite on the edge connector was rubbish and full of digital
noise.
Brian


To me, the best connector I've seen on a computer
back in the "devil may care" era of connector design,
is this connector. A video connector where they actually
used coaxial carriage of RGB, right on the connector.
They still didn't seem to give a damn about HV though.
We had these on Sun computers at work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB13W3

The best monitor, was my old Trinitron, which had five BNC
on the back for RGBHV. So at least the monitor end was
nicely covered. The computer end was still
a standard VGA solution.

Paul

On 12/19/2017 2:29 PM, Paul wrote:
Wolf K wrote:

"could care less"

I'm almost sorry I threw that plum in there now :-)

This is why we play with explosives, to see how much
it takes to remove a finger :-)

Â*Â* Paul

A young school friend of mine back in the 1940s was scratching the
inside of an empty center fire cartridge with a needle (the primer was
still intact and had not been fired) Sadly the primer blew and took off
2 of his fingers.
So it takes 1 primer to remove 2 Fingers. :-(

Rene

On 12/19/2017 2:36 PM, Paul wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes the majority of 1980s home computers with modulators used a phono
with a slightly shorter centre pin for uhf output.
Â*However videoÂ* in and out on vcrs used all manner of stuff from pl259
to bnc and even as you say phonos as well.


The Spectrums 128 and up had what they described as a peritel din on
them for video, which was Oi think RGB with no level control.

That made some games with shade look a little peculiar at the time.
Â*The whole field of socketry seems to have been non standard.
Â*The Einstein computer had colour difference signals like the Spectrum
48k did as the composite on the edge connector was rubbish and full of
digital noise.
Brian


To me, the best connector I've seen on a computer
back in the "devil may care" era of connector design,
is this connector. A video connector where they actually
used coaxial carriage of RGB, right on the connector.
They still didn't seem to give a damn about HV though.
We had these on Sun computers at work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB13W3

The best monitor, was my old Trinitron, which had five BNC
on the back for RGBHV. So at least the monitor end was
nicely covered. The computer end was still
a standard VGA solution.

Â*Â* Paul

Back in the 80s the company I worked for had a Wang word processing
system using TwinAX RG59 cabling, BNC on one and TNC on the other cable.
no mixing those up. :-)

Rene

In article , lid says...

Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes the majority of 1980s home computers with modulators used a phono with a
slightly shorter centre pin for uhf output.
However video in and out on vcrs used all manner of stuff from pl259 to
bnc and even as you say phonos as well.


The Spectrums 128 and up had what they described as a peritel din on them
for video, which was Oi think RGB with no level control.

That made some games with shade look a little peculiar at the time.
The whole field of socketry seems to have been non standard.
The Einstein computer had colour difference signals like the Spectrum 48k
did as the composite on the edge connector was rubbish and full of digital
noise.
Brian


To me, the best connector I've seen on a computer
back in the "devil may care" era of connector design,
is this connector. A video connector where they actually
used coaxial carriage of RGB, right on the connector.
They still didn't seem to give a damn about HV though.
We had these on Sun computers at work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB13W3

The best monitor, was my old Trinitron, which had five BNC
on the back for RGBHV. So at least the monitor end was
nicely covered. The computer end was still
a standard VGA solution.

Paul

I can remember years ago bringing home for testing a work tv that was
well beyond it's time. Had all kinds of connections including a VGA
Input. The tv easily displayed 1280x1024 in usable readable/viewable
form even though it was only an analog tv so NTSC was the standard def.
It clearly was capable of more def than that standard.

It was an Hitachi something and it was HUGE even though screen was only
21".

I still use a NEC 21" analog monitor as main monitor on my main pc that
runs dual-screen with an 19" lcd as second monitor. They're physically
almost the same screen size so they match up nicer than one might
expect.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , pjp
writes:
[]
a dvi to hdmi converter and run it into one of the hdmi ports on the tv.
It has specific audio inputs for just such a scenario. The question now
is does the composite input have it's own dedicated audio inputs also.
Manual isn't clear and there's no pic of the entire back inputs. In fact
pics in manual might not even mimic what tv actually looks like.

Don't come back to me if it isn't so, but I've never seen a TV with
composite video input that didn't have an accompanying pair of audio
inputs next to it. Usually all on "phono" (AKA "RCA") connectors, which
has always seemed an odd choice to me for a video signal, as surely it was
originally intended to be an audio connector (though I've even seen it for
UHF, e. g. modulator outputs).

Actually it should read "RCA (AKA "phono") connector." I think it became
known as a phono connector because people weren't really sure what an RCA
connector was, so to clarify it for the average user, it was referred to as
"phono." I can remember (barely) way back when I started getting into hi-fi
stereo equipment, my more knowledgeable friends would talk about RCA
connectors, and I really didn't know what they meant until I was shown one,
and I said, "Oh, a phono connector" :-)

But I digress . . . :-)
--

SC Tom