Windows 8 and 8.1 Sucks, but Windows 10

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:18:11 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 10/29/2014 4:06 PM, Boolworm Cowboy wrote:

94% of the world's what? Android is the most used system - smart phones,
tablets, all sorts of devices - it's a JVM running on a Linux kernel.

Yep, I own two Android Tablets myself. I love my Android Tablets, and I have no problems.

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida


Me also, Mine is running KitKat 4.4.2 on a 7 inch tablet, Runs great
and I am happy with android on a tablet.


I also use Android on a tablet. I like my tablet for use when
traveling, but it's no replacement for my desktop.


But on a full blown desktop Windosws 8.1


Ditto!


and soon Windows 10 is my choice.


But that's too early for me to say. It's likely that that will also be
my choice, but I'm not willing to say that yet.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:56:19 +0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:58:38 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:


Is that why about 94% of the world uses Windows?

No, that's because most people effectively have no choice.

They would if only they realised how easy it was to build a PC
yourself, or shop online for something different, but most wouldn't
even consider it, so they go to a computer shop to buy something ready
built. Unless you want to pay Apple prices Windows is all there is.


Linux is a choice for everyone. It's free, and it's quick and easy to
replace Windows with it.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:46:04 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

Is that why about 94% of the world uses Windows?

No, that's because most people effectively have no choice.

They would if only they realised how easy it was to build a PC
yourself, or shop online for something different, but most wouldn't
even consider it, so they go to a computer shop to buy something ready
built. Unless you want to pay Apple prices Windows is all there is.


Linux is a choice for everyone. It's free, and it's quick and easy to
replace Windows with it.

But how many people know this? And in any case, how much of a real
choice is it if, before you install Linux, you have to pay for Windows
and then discard it? The choice of a PC with Linux already installed,
or a barebones "blank" PC on which you can install your own, is not
something that is typically offered, or even hinted at, in computer
shops. The reality is that in the high street it's effectively Windows
or nothing. If 94% end up with Windows, this is why. The argument that
it's the result of some superior property of Windows over the
alternatives is specious, because there *are* no alternatives.

Rod.

"Boolworm Cowboy" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:58:38 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 10/29/2014 1:49 PM, Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
Windows 8 and 8.1 Sucks, but Windows 10 is looking okay so far as
Microsoft is concerned. . Unfortunately, Apple's operating
system blows Microsoft's out of the water, as does Linux and true
open source.


Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida



Is that why about 94% of the world uses Windows?

Regards, Rene

Really? Why is that? You go to any computer retail outlet, and you
cannot find a preloaded Linux computer available for sale.
So, that's why Windows rules the world; but if Apple lowered the price
of their computers, Windows would be toast. They're
cheap and easily accessible; never mind, they're loaded with bugs, and
your constantly dealing with viruse and malware
issues. I seldom had to addressed virus or malware issues on my Linux
computer, and the operating system never needs to be
reloaded like I occasionally have to do with Windows. Then you have to
purchase registry cleaning software, and other
software to keep your Windows computer running smoothly. The other
problem is that proprietary software vendors refuse to
support Linux, so you're forced to own a Windows computer if you like
it or not. This doesn't change the fact that Windows
8.1 sucks, but Windows 10 is looking okay since I'm forced to use it
to utilize certain proprietary software.

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida

If the market demanded Linux then we would see more Linux systems in the
retail chain. The demand simply is not there. Linux is still no match
for the usability of Windows or Mac for the average user.

I can echo pretty much what Rene said. I don't have any issues with
Windows 8.1, nor did I have any with Windows 7. I've not had to reload
my OS, I use Windows security apps and have never got a virus, I don't
use nor do I (or anyone) need a regisrty cleaner, and I do not have any
blue screens tro deal with. I've not had a blue screen using Windows 7
or 8.1 and rarely ever had on with XP, for that matter. I don't think
Windows 8.1 sucks at all, I quite like it and I use it on my desktop
without a touch screen.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:43:21 -0500
Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 10/29/2014 2:50 PM, Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:58:38 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 10/29/2014 1:49 PM, Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
Windows 8 and 8.1 Sucks, but Windows 10 is looking okay so far as
Microsoft is concerned. . Unfortunately, Apple's operating system
blows Microsoft's out of the water, as does Linux and true open
source.


Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida



Is that why about 94% of the world uses Windows?

Regards, Rene

Really? Why is that? You go to any computer retail outlet, and you
cannot find a preloaded Linux computer available for sale. So,
that's why Windows rules the world; but if Apple lowered the price
of their computers, Windows would be toast. They're cheap and
easily accessible; never mind, they're loaded with bugs, and your
constantly dealing with viruse and malware issues. I seldom had to
addressed virus or malware issues on my Linux computer, and the
operating system never needs to be reloaded like I occasionally
have to do with Windows. Then you have to purchase registry
cleaning software, and other software to keep your Windows computer
running smoothly. The other problem is that proprietary software
vendors refuse to support Linux, so you're forced to own a Windows
computer if you like it or not. This doesn't change the fact that
Windows 8.1 sucks, but Windows 10 is looking okay since I'm forced
to use it to utilize certain proprietary software.

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida


No, I do not have to reload windows at all, each version runs fine
for years, One blue screen in the lastb 3 or 4 years, No virusus or
malware, I run protection Software as everyone should.
As for cleaning the registry NEVER, And no I don't use that bogus
software to keep my machine running smoothly, You don't need that
junk if you know how to use a system properly.
LInux? I've tried about 25 distros and none yet has been satisfacory,
It's just not ready for prime time yet.
Windows 8.1 runs quite nicely on my system, It may not be perfect but
it's pretty damned good.
Apple! I gave up on them about 1995 and never looked back.

Regards, Rene

Linux Mint 17 KDE should work fine for the average computer user. You
don't have to use the Terminal, KDE can be configured from the GUI just
like Windows.

I think what causes most problems for new Linux users is using sudo,
and su in the terminal when it's not necessary, and they change
permissions for folders, and find themselves locked out.

It took the good people in alt.os.linux.mint a few months to pound this
into my head, but since then I no longer have problems with the
operating system. If something strange does happen, I have my home
directory backed up, and can restore it easily.

Personally I wanted to learn to use the Command Line, and have gotten
pretty good at it, but it's not necessary.

For the average user that just wants to use a browser, send and receive
Email, read news groups, shop and bank online, Linux Mint should be as
good as Windows, and is more secure, and Microsoft is not constantly
invading your privacy.

On 30/10/2014 2:08 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2014-10-30 10:02 AM, Johnny wrote:
[...]
For the average user that just wants to use a browser, send and receive
Email, read news groups, shop and bank online, Linux Mint should be as
good as Windows, and is more secure, and Microsoft is not constantly
invading your privacy.

+1

And it will run on older hardware, too. That includes older printers
etc, for which there are no Win8 drivers. OTOH, you may not find Linux
drivers for recent hardware.


Problems with older hardware show up too. Try running a laptop with a
Broadcom B43 chipset on Mint 9 and getting it to connect to WiFi. Try
getting it to connect to a Wifi Printer. It took me several days to work
out how. Then they changed the Linux kernel to a version which wouldn't
even install on a B43 chipset machine. That took several more days to
fix. Even the latest versions of Mint/Ubuntu have problems connecting
to a Windows network share - it involves changing configuration files
deep in the system where a novice would be totally lost. Everyday
running is fine if you have a version of Linux that is known to run on a
specific machine, you don't ever change anything, and you use
Thunderbird and Firefox (the native Linux e-mail and newsgroup programs
are unusable to a Windows user).

However, it's much better to install Windows 7, 8.1 (or shortly 10) and
have everything just connect first go. Even if you do have to rebuild
the GUI on 8 and 10 with Classic Shell before they are usable.



--
Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future. - Niels Bohr

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:02:16 -0500, Johnny wrote:

For the average user that just wants to use a browser, send and receive
Email, read news groups, shop and bank online, Linux Mint should be as
good as Windows, and is more secure, and Microsoft is not constantly
invading your privacy.

I set up an old PC for a family member with Mint Cinnamon for exactly
that kind of use (and Skype as well), and it performs admirably. It's
so similar to Windows (classic Windows that is, before 8), that nobody
has needed any extra instruction in how to use it. It looks pretty,
and works reliably.

I think the base unit came from a school or college, and cost me
30ukp. It has a quad core AMD processor, 2GB memory and a 160GB disk.
I added a solid state drive for the OS for another 30ukp and kept the
original drive for storage. The monitor was another secondhand item
for about the same price, and I donated an old keyboard and mouse I
already had, so the total cost was less than 100ukp. Considering its
intended use, it simply wasn't worth spending more, especially on an
operating system that would have been more elaborate then necessary
and could even have slowed it down. 64 bit Mint does everything it
needs to do and does it quickly, it took me about 25 minutes of my
time to install, and it cost me nothing.

Rod.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:08:26 -0400, "PAS"
wrote:

If the market demanded Linux then we would see more Linux systems in the
retail chain. The demand simply is not there. Linux is still no match
for the usability of Windows or Mac for the average user.

The demand for Linux is not there because the knowledge of its
existence is not there. It's nothing to do with usability.

Rod.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:03:29 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 10/29/2014 3:56 PM, ray carter wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:58:38 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 10/29/2014 1:49 PM, Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
Windows 8 and 8.1 Sucks, but Windows 10 is looking okay so far as
Microsoft is concerned. . Unfortunately, Apple's operating system
blows Microsoft's out of the water, as does Linux and true open
source.

Bookworm Cowboy Lakeland, Florida

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy Lakeland, Florida



Is that why about 94% of the world uses Windows?

Regards, Rene

94% of the world's what? Android is the most used system - smart
phones,
tablets, all sorts of devices - it's a JVM running on a Linux kernel.

WE were talking Computers!!! NOT tractors!


Rene

So, what is your definition? I would say that a tablet is as much an
appliance as a washing machine. It's also as much a computer as a laptop
or desktop. Your smart phone has more computer power than you could have
had in a desktop 10 years ago.

"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:08:26 -0400, "PAS"
wrote:

If the market demanded Linux then we would see more Linux systems in
the
retail chain. The demand simply is not there. Linux is still no
match
for the usability of Windows or Mac for the average user.

The demand for Linux is not there because the knowledge of its
existence is not there. It's nothing to do with usability.

For whatever reason, there is no demand and until there is, there won't
be many systems with Linux installed being sold retail. There is still
a usability issue, as good as it may be, Linux is not as easy to use for
the average user as a Windows system is. Any current printer an average
user will buy will work out-of-the-box on a Windows 7 and 8.1 system.
Is that the case for Linux? Will that use be easily able to share files
on the Windows Homegroup in their home if they have one?

"ray carter" escreveu na mensagem ...

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:03:29 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 10/29/2014 3:56 PM, ray carter wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:58:38 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 10/29/2014 1:49 PM, Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
Windows 8 and 8.1 Sucks, but Windows 10 is looking okay so far as
Microsoft is concerned. . Unfortunately, Apple's operating system
blows Microsoft's out of the water, as does Linux and true open
source.

Bookworm Cowboy Lakeland, Florida

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy Lakeland, Florida



Is that why about 94% of the world uses Windows?

Regards, Rene

94% of the world's what? Android is the most used system - smart
phones,
tablets, all sorts of devices - it's a JVM running on a Linux kernel.

WE were talking Computers!!! NOT tractors!


Rene

So, what is your definition? I would say that a tablet is as much an
appliance as a washing machine. It's also as much a computer as a laptop
or desktop. Your smart phone has more computer power than you could have
had in a desktop 10 years ago.

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I had a desktop with 33 MHz processor and 16 MB RAM

On 2014-10-30 10:34 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 30/10/2014 2:08 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2014-10-30 10:02 AM, Johnny wrote:
[...]
For the average user that just wants to use a browser, send and receive
Email, read news groups, shop and bank online, Linux Mint should be as
good as Windows, and is more secure, and Microsoft is not constantly
invading your privacy.

+1

And it will run on older hardware, too. That includes older printers
etc, for which there are no Win8 drivers. OTOH, you may not find Linux
drivers for recent hardware.


Problems with older hardware show up too. Try running a laptop with a
Broadcom B43 chipset on Mint 9 and getting it to connect to WiFi. Try
getting it to connect to a Wifi Printer. It took me several days to work
out how. Then they changed the Linux kernel to a version which wouldn't
even install on a B43 chipset machine. That took several more days to
fix. Even the latest versions of Mint/Ubuntu have problems connecting
to a Windows network share - it involves changing configuration files
deep in the system where a novice would be totally lost. Everyday
running is fine if you have a version of Linux that is known to run on a
specific machine, you don't ever change anything, and you use
Thunderbird and Firefox (the native Linux e-mail and newsgroup programs
are unusable to a Windows user).

However, it's much better to install Windows 7, 8.1 (or shortly 10) and
have everything just connect first go. Even if you do have to rebuild
the GUI on 8 and 10 with Classic Shell before they are usable.

I have just this to say. My Windows 7 laptop can connect to a printer
connected to the router very easily. Windows 8.1 tablet and desktop, no
problem. GNU/Linux? No matter what you do, it fails miserably no matter
what the settings are. This printer is four years-old.

--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
www.silverlips.ca

Recipient of overwhelmingly positive reviews among the GNU/Linux advocates:
- "Low life at its best. But thats what you are. Worth a lot less than
stinking contaminated dirt" - Peter Köhlmann
- "He's a rotten POS." - Chris Ahlstrom AKA The Pee-Pee Wiper
(http://bit.ly/1wg0lkd)
- "He's a troll, that's his stock and trade." - RonB
- "Slimer is a filthy hater, liar and fraud IMHO." - Marti Van Lin
- "We know that it was the "Slimer", the shameless liar who takes pride,
apparently, in being a worthless trolling asshole." - chrisv

On 2014-10-30 12:23 PM, Jose wrote:
"ray carter" escreveu na mensagem ...

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:03:29 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 10/29/2014 3:56 PM, ray carter wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:58:38 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 10/29/2014 1:49 PM, Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
Windows 8 and 8.1 Sucks, but Windows 10 is looking okay so far as
Microsoft is concerned. . Unfortunately, Apple's operating system
blows Microsoft's out of the water, as does Linux and true open
source.

Bookworm Cowboy Lakeland, Florida

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy Lakeland, Florida



Is that why about 94% of the world uses Windows?

Regards, Rene

94% of the world's what? Android is the most used system - smart
phones,
tablets, all sorts of devices - it's a JVM running on a Linux kernel.

WE were talking Computers!!! NOT tractors!


Rene

So, what is your definition? I would say that a tablet is as much an
appliance as a washing machine. It's also as much a computer as a laptop
or desktop. Your smart phone has more computer power than you could have
had in a desktop 10 years ago.

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""""""""""""""


I had a desktop with 33 MHz processor and 16 MB RAM

It's absolutely remarkable how we get more power out of a phone nowadays
than we could get out of a gigantic computer back then. Things have
changed so drastically and so quickly.

--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
www.silverlips.ca

Recipient of overwhelmingly positive reviews among the GNU/Linux advocates:
- "Low life at its best. But thats what you are. Worth a lot less than
stinking contaminated dirt" - Peter Köhlmann
- "He's a rotten POS." - Chris Ahlstrom AKA The Pee-Pee Wiper
(http://bit.ly/1wg0lkd)
- "He's a troll, that's his stock and trade." - RonB
- "Slimer is a filthy hater, liar and fraud IMHO." - Marti Van Lin
- "We know that it was the "Slimer", the shameless liar who takes pride,
apparently, in being a worthless trolling asshole." - chrisv

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:52:57 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

On 2014-10-29 6:56 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:58:38 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:
[...]
Is that why about 94% of the world uses Windows?

No, that's because most people effectively have no choice.

They would if only they realised how easy it was to build a PC
yourself, or shop online for something different, but most wouldn't
even consider it, so they go to a computer shop to buy something ready
built. Unless you want to pay Apple prices Windows is all there is.

Rod.

For you and me it's easy. I've built four machines. The last one was
basically bolt in place and plug'n'play. But even assembling Ikea
furniture is too difficult for most people.

I'm not so sure that assembling Ikea furniture is easier than building a
computer. I'd almost reverse your sentence above :-)

I've done both successfully and never failed at either, so that's based
on my own experience.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:32:06 -0400, "PAS"
wrote:

If the market demanded Linux then we would see more Linux systems in
the
retail chain. The demand simply is not there. Linux is still no
match
for the usability of Windows or Mac for the average user.

The demand for Linux is not there because the knowledge of its
existence is not there. It's nothing to do with usability.

For whatever reason, there is no demand and until there is, there won't
be many systems with Linux installed being sold retail. There is still
a usability issue, as good as it may be, Linux is not as easy to use for
the average user as a Windows system is. Any current printer an average
user will buy will work out-of-the-box on a Windows 7 and 8.1 system.
Is that the case for Linux? Will that use be easily able to share files
on the Windows Homegroup in their home if they have one?

I can't speak for everyone, but I've tried out Opensuse, Elementary,
Puppy Linux, Zorin, the entire *buntu family and all the variants of
Linux Mint at one time or other, and possibly a few others I've
forgotten, on at least 3 different PCs, all of which have worked
out-of-the-box with USB printers by Canon and Epson, and network
printers by Dell and Samsung.

The only things that have given me problems have been the wireless
adaptor and the brightness control in an Asus laptop. On a Samsung
netbook, even those things worked without any extra effort. The
wireless adaptors fitted to desktops seem to be OK, and even if they
weren't it would be a simple matter to try a different one. You win
some, you lose some.

Talking of demand, I wonder if there was a demand for a screen full of
tiles before Windows 8 foisted it upon us? Nobody asked for it, we
were given it anyway, and apparently some people actually like it, so
there seems no reason the same couldn't happen with Linux.

Rod.