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  #106  
Old January 24th 14, 02:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 1/23/2014, Silver Slimer posted:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:26:30 -0500, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:


Or not. For a day or two, I've been toying with a Linux HTPC (Home
Theater PC) setup whose website, documentation, and help are quite
uninformative :-)

I've given up on that one...


A GNU/Linux based project being half-assed? I'm shocked!


Shocked! I say...

I've made a small amount of progress. No, I don't mean I just realized
I'm an idiot for doing this, but let me think about that...

Having stared at meaningless screens a bit, the things I saw made me
read the Doc a bit more knowledgeably. Also, I think I realize that the
live CDs are meant to be front ends (i.e., user interfaces) only, so you
need to install the system and do a bit of work to be able to use the
tuner.

Still, suddenly I like WMC a lot better :-)

You are no doubt shocked that I haven't resolved all of my confusions in
this area. But I'll say this: it won't take much to make me abandon this
quest. I'm not as crazy as I might seem...


It almost sounds like you were using MythTV.

The problem with that one, is it's a bit on the ambitious side.
The couple times I've tried to use it, I got stuck at the same
place each time. Namely, that the thing couldn't detect my
tuner properly. In the first installation, I eventually
figured it out (somehow). But a second attempt years
later, I couldn't remember what I'd done, and had to
give up.

As for LiveCDs, you can use the concept for every-day work.
Simply transfer them to a USB stick, and then give the thing
a "persistent" file to store the file system. The portion
holding the LiveCD part, is effectively read only. Only
the bitmap file holding the file system, "remembers" anything.
Deleting that file, erases all your changes. Leaving
the bitmap file in place, gives a way of saving your
progress from session to session. And that method of operation,
is a bit more flexible, than an installation to a hard drive.
In that I can carry the same USB key to different computers
and use the key anywhere.

That's why I have Linux Mint (Mate interface) on a USB key.
That's better than burning optical media, and I get to
carry any "forward progress" around with me. Like any packages
I install, they're stored in the bitmap file. Max bitmap file
size seems to be 4GB (as the USB stick uses FAT32). An 8GB
USB key is a good place to start.

Paul
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  #107  
Old January 24th 14, 11:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_5_]
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On 1/23/2014, Silver Slimer posted:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:41:04 -0500, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:


On 1/23/2014, Silver Slimer posted:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:26:30 -0500, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:


Or not. For a day or two, I've been toying with a Linux HTPC
(Home Theater PC) setup whose website, documentation, and help
are quite uninformative :-)

I've given up on that one...


A GNU/Linux based project being half-assed? I'm shocked!


Shocked! I say...

I've made a small amount of progress. No, I don't mean I just
realized I'm an idiot for doing this, but let me think about
that...

Having stared at meaningless screens a bit, the things I saw made
me read the Doc a bit more knowledgeably. Also, I think I realize
that the live CDs are meant to be front ends (i.e., user
interfaces) only, so you need to install the system and do a bit of
work to be able to use the tuner.

Still, suddenly I like WMC a lot better :-)

You are no doubt shocked that I haven't resolved all of my
confusions in this area. But I'll say this: it won't take much to
make me abandon this quest. I'm not as crazy as I might seem...


The thing about GNU/Linux is that it has a large number of excellent
potential products. The problem is that instead of pooling their
resources and focusing on the most important and/or promising
projects, they divide their resources in such a way that instead of
producing a dozen or so must-have applications, they produce a few
hundred absolute trash ones.


Could be. This stuff tends to be open source and crowd source, after
all, and we don't have too many cat herders in that world :-)

But the real problem for me is that the processes involved are not
obvious, and the websites don't seem to provide adequate[1] clues about
how to proceed.

Which gets us back to cat herding, since the documentation is also open
source etc...

I did look online today (Google) long enough to see that I might be
able to get it going if I am willing to work hard enough. But it seems
that I'm not...

[1] That has to mean adequate *for me*, of course :-)

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  #108  
Old January 24th 14, 11:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_5_]
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On 1/23/2014, Paul posted:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 1/23/2014, Silver Slimer posted:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:26:30 -0500, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:


Or not. For a day or two, I've been toying with a Linux HTPC
(Home Theater PC) setup whose website, documentation, and help
are quite uninformative :-)

I've given up on that one...


A GNU/Linux based project being half-assed? I'm shocked!


Shocked! I say...

I've made a small amount of progress. No, I don't mean I just
realized I'm an idiot for doing this, but let me think about
that...

Having stared at meaningless screens a bit, the things I saw made
me read the Doc a bit more knowledgeably. Also, I think I realize
that the live CDs are meant to be front ends (i.e., user
interfaces) only, so you need to install the system and do a bit of
work to be able to use the tuner.

Still, suddenly I like WMC a lot better :-)

You are no doubt shocked that I haven't resolved all of my
confusions in this area. But I'll say this: it won't take much to
make me abandon this quest. I'm not as crazy as I might seem...


It almost sounds like you were using MythTV.


The problem with that one, is it's a bit on the ambitious side.
The couple times I've tried to use it, I got stuck at the same
place each time. Namely, that the thing couldn't detect my
tuner properly. In the first installation, I eventually
figured it out (somehow). But a second attempt years
later, I couldn't remember what I'd done, and had to
give up.


As for LiveCDs, you can use the concept for every-day work.
Simply transfer them to a USB stick, and then give the thing
a "persistent" file to store the file system. The portion
holding the LiveCD part, is effectively read only. Only
the bitmap file holding the file system, "remembers" anything.
Deleting that file, erases all your changes. Leaving
the bitmap file in place, gives a way of saving your
progress from session to session. And that method of operation,
is a bit more flexible, than an installation to a hard drive.
In that I can carry the same USB key to different computers
and use the key anywhere.


That's why I have Linux Mint (Mate interface) on a USB key.
That's better than burning optical media, and I get to
carry any "forward progress" around with me. Like any packages
I install, they're stored in the bitmap file. Max bitmap file
size seems to be 4GB (as the USB stick uses FAT32). An 8GB
USB key is a good place to start.


Paul


I might try the USB key route, but ATM I'm underconfident :-)

Of the three CDs I made, one (XBMCbuntu[1]) wouldn't complete the
installation process.

The other two (Mythbuntu and LinHES) did not recognize my tuner card.
Both are MythTV, IIRC (but I've gotten confused by now). The card is a
Hauppauge WinTV-HVR2250; the company itself supports only Windows,
AFAICT - and I did try.

Around 20:00 local time last night, I said "Enough!" and put the
original hard drive back into the box. Another argument for either the
USB method you suggest, or for partitioning the drive (or a larger one)
if I plan to experiment further.

Today, looking a bit at some Google hits, I see that I can probably get
my card recognized in only a few tens of hours of work :-) OK,
probably not that much, but I'm losing interest fast.

[1] I'm sure about which three distros I tried, but I might be confused
about which one failed. And maybe all three are MythTV.

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  #109  
Old January 25th 14, 01:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:43:08 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 01:13:24 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:24:29 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 1/22/2014, Char Jackson posted:
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 12:59:09 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:38:50 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:


My personal convention is to hit two CRs, so that there's a blank
line between paragraphs.


As almost all of us do.

But you hit three CRs, no? :-)

I missed that one :-)


Look at *any* of Ken's posts.
It's usually 3 CRs, sometimes 4.



Again, between what I am quoting and what I am writing.

But not between my own paragraphs (I made this a separate paragraph
just to illustrate my point).


You're right, of course. Thanks for the clarification.

  #110  
Old January 25th 14, 03:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:29:38 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:43:08 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 01:13:24 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:24:29 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 1/22/2014, Char Jackson posted:
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 12:59:09 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:38:50 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:


My personal convention is to hit two CRs, so that there's a blank
line between paragraphs.


As almost all of us do.

But you hit three CRs, no? :-)

I missed that one :-)

Look at *any* of Ken's posts.
It's usually 3 CRs, sometimes 4.



Again, between what I am quoting and what I am writing.

But not between my own paragraphs (I made this a separate paragraph
just to illustrate my point).


You're right, of course. Thanks for the clarification.



You're welcome, of course.

  #111  
Old January 25th 14, 06:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
DianeLeMasson
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"DianeLeMasson" wrote in message
...

"Juan Wei" wrote in message
...
Gene E. Bloch has written on 1/22/2014 2:47 PM:
On 1/22/2014, DianeLeMasson posted:
Now for the biggy! Determining which email program to use, one that
has full NG capability. NOT just a reader!!

As you can see, I'm on a roll :-)

I decided separate replies were more appropriate...

Newsreaders are rather personal, so advice that is often given here is
to try several and see what you like.

I like separate programs, because I haven't much liked the newsreader
part of combined programs, including TB, which I use for e-mail.

For a separate newsreader, I seem to alternate between MesNews (this
one) and 40Tude Dialog. This is not an hourly or daily alternation:
after a year or two I get tired on one and revert to the other.

I must say that I'm not sure why the resource use of TB is a problem.
Does it really affect what your computer is doing?


Hi

I've been toying between three NGs but like to know if each have spell
checker built in or do you need to have Word installed?

The three a Opera Mail, Thunderbird and MesNews. I know Opera Mail & TB
are both email & NG whereas MesNews is just for NGs.
If I were to choose Opera Mail do I have to install the browser Opera as
well. I did find searching but I don't know if I read it correctly that
Opera Mail is also a stand alone download that I don't need to download
the browser. Is that correct?
When It was brought to my attention about MesNews, read whatever I could
find, means I can keep OEClassic for my emails & be able to have my NGs
again with MesNews. That shouldn't present a problem, any conflicts having
both installed? "I think" if I understood this correctly on one of the
sites that had a bit of information about it I have to download a certain
file in order to have spell check. Is that correct?
I would totally drown if I don't have spell check, I'm a terrible speller.

My Main concern is right now are Opera Mail & MesNews. When you know
nothing about either of them I get nervous & that makes it hard for me to
decide. When you've been using a certain software (OE6) for so many years
it's hard to let go & learn something new. And it's hard for me to learn
something new being I'm a senior & the only one my age who has a computer.
I learn what I can through these NGs, through kind & generous people like
yourselves.
As for TB my hubby swears by it has had it many years on all his laptops,
never had a problem. While I was able to see how it look I wasn't able to,
no not allowed, to fool around with it to see how it works. His computers
are for his business, afraid I'll mess it up. I'm not to sure about using
TB only for the fact it's a Mozilla product. I've used FF for a good many
years never had any problems till last year with one of their updates. I
could barely use my computer (XP) & I could not delete the software off my
computer no how! I could only 'fix-it' and that did not work. Not wanting
to have that happen again with my new computer I feel I should stay away
from it.

So again what are your thoughts on me downloading these two other
software's & how easy would they be for me to learn & use?
My reason for the NGs are, computer, genealogy, health & animals stuff. I
don't need all the bells & whistles some have as it's too much to learn.
You have help me a lot when you kindly explained how to find my download
files & putting up with my many questions, I value your opinions & your
suggestions.
Thanks again!!

Diane



Hi

I want to thank each of you for your help, taking the time to answer my
questions and your suggestions.
I hope I can ask you more & do apologize in doing so.

Since I have OEClassic already on my computer and want to try say, Opera
Mail, can both be on my computer without any conflicts?
Providing I use only one of course. If I don't like Opera Mail or find it
too difficult to use how easy is it to delete? Remember I couldn't delete
Firefox. Same goes for MesNews. In either of these newsreaders can you make
your own folders & sub folders? I did read but don't know if it's the same,
Opera Mail has labels so I want to say that is probably the same. Am I
correct? Also can the layout screen be changed cause all pictures I've seen
so far shows three side by side columns.
In your opinion since I've been a long time OE user, think Opera Mail would
be too difficult for me to learn, too technical?
Same goes for MesNews too.

My concern with MesNews is if I had a problem & needed support their
newsgroup is in foreign language, very little English.
Is there some place else I can go for help other than the NGs?

Yes I have been searching the internet trying to learn what I can about
these mail programs but only finding reviews which is good but they leave
out a lot of details which isn't helping me to make a final decision.

Again appreciate your help!

Diane






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  #112  
Old January 25th 14, 05:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
R. C. White
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Hi, Diane.

No need to apologize. Newsgroups thrive on "dumb" questions from smart
people. ;) And we live by the motto that the only "dumb" question is the
one that is not asked.

But, when the topic veers into a new question, it is usually best to start a
new thread, rather than take the existing thread into new areas. So you
would probably have better luck with your new question about "which
newsreader" if you post it as a New Message, rather than as a Reply. (This
thread has gotten so convoluted that it's hard to remember what the original
subject was. Maybe we're back to your original question, but the Subject
line no longer fits.)

One tip: That Sig line assuring us that "This email is free from viruses
and malware..." does not reassure us at all because we know how easy it is
to append that to even destructive messages. So it is just wasted
bandwidth - and annoying. Several users here have posted instructions for
getting rid of it.

RC
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"DianeLeMasson" wrote in message ...

"DianeLeMasson" wrote in message
...

"Juan Wei" wrote in message
...
Gene E. Bloch has written on 1/22/2014 2:47 PM:
On 1/22/2014, DianeLeMasson posted:
Now for the biggy! Determining which email program to use, one that
has full NG capability. NOT just a reader!!

As you can see, I'm on a roll :-)

I decided separate replies were more appropriate...

Newsreaders are rather personal, so advice that is often given here is
to try several and see what you like.

I like separate programs, because I haven't much liked the newsreader
part of combined programs, including TB, which I use for e-mail.

For a separate newsreader, I seem to alternate between MesNews (this
one) and 40Tude Dialog. This is not an hourly or daily alternation:
after a year or two I get tired on one and revert to the other.

I must say that I'm not sure why the resource use of TB is a problem.
Does it really affect what your computer is doing?


Hi

I've been toying between three NGs but like to know if each have spell
checker built in or do you need to have Word installed?

The three a Opera Mail, Thunderbird and MesNews. I know Opera Mail & TB
are both email & NG whereas MesNews is just for NGs.
If I were to choose Opera Mail do I have to install the browser Opera as
well. I did find searching but I don't know if I read it correctly that
Opera Mail is also a stand alone download that I don't need to download
the browser. Is that correct?
When It was brought to my attention about MesNews, read whatever I could
find, means I can keep OEClassic for my emails & be able to have my NGs
again with MesNews. That shouldn't present a problem, any conflicts having
both installed? "I think" if I understood this correctly on one of the
sites that had a bit of information about it I have to download a certain
file in order to have spell check. Is that correct?
I would totally drown if I don't have spell check, I'm a terrible speller.

My Main concern is right now are Opera Mail & MesNews. When you know
nothing about either of them I get nervous & that makes it hard for me to
decide. When you've been using a certain software (OE6) for so many years
it's hard to let go & learn something new. And it's hard for me to learn
something new being I'm a senior & the only one my age who has a computer.
I learn what I can through these NGs, through kind & generous people like
yourselves.
As for TB my hubby swears by it has had it many years on all his laptops,
never had a problem. While I was able to see how it look I wasn't able to,
no not allowed, to fool around with it to see how it works. His computers
are for his business, afraid I'll mess it up. I'm not to sure about using
TB only for the fact it's a Mozilla product. I've used FF for a good many
years never had any problems till last year with one of their updates. I
could barely use my computer (XP) & I could not delete the software off my
computer no how! I could only 'fix-it' and that did not work. Not wanting
to have that happen again with my new computer I feel I should stay away
from it.

So again what are your thoughts on me downloading these two other
software's & how easy would they be for me to learn & use?
My reason for the NGs are, computer, genealogy, health & animals stuff. I
don't need all the bells & whistles some have as it's too much to learn.
You have help me a lot when you kindly explained how to find my download
files & putting up with my many questions, I value your opinions & your
suggestions.
Thanks again!!

Diane



Hi

I want to thank each of you for your help, taking the time to answer my
questions and your suggestions.
I hope I can ask you more & do apologize in doing so.

Since I have OEClassic already on my computer and want to try say, Opera
Mail, can both be on my computer without any conflicts?
Providing I use only one of course. If I don't like Opera Mail or find it
too difficult to use how easy is it to delete? Remember I couldn't delete
Firefox. Same goes for MesNews. In either of these newsreaders can you make
your own folders & sub folders? I did read but don't know if it's the same,
Opera Mail has labels so I want to say that is probably the same. Am I
correct? Also can the layout screen be changed cause all pictures I've seen
so far shows three side by side columns.
In your opinion since I've been a long time OE user, think Opera Mail would
be too difficult for me to learn, too technical?
Same goes for MesNews too.

My concern with MesNews is if I had a problem & needed support their
newsgroup is in foreign language, very little English.
Is there some place else I can go for help other than the NGs?

Yes I have been searching the internet trying to learn what I can about
these mail programs but only finding reviews which is good but they leave
out a lot of details which isn't helping me to make a final decision.

Again appreciate your help!

Diane

  #113  
Old January 25th 14, 05:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Silver Slimer[_4_]
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On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:56:41 -0500, DianeLeMasson
wrote:

Since I have OEClassic already on my computer and want to try say, Opera
Mail, can both be on my computer without any conflicts?
Providing I use only one of course. If I don't like Opera Mail or find it
too difficult to use how easy is it to delete? Remember I couldn't
delete
Firefox. Same goes for MesNews.


I can't imagine you would have trouble deleting Firefox or Opera Mail.
It's just a matter of going into the Control Panel, clicking on Uninstall
a Program in Programs, selecting the program you want to remove and then
clicking Uninstall.

In either of these newsreaders can you make
your own folders & sub folders? I did read but don't know if it's the
same,
Opera Mail has labels so I want to say that is probably the same.


At the end of the day, labels are indeed pretty much the same thing as
folders.

In your opinion since I've been a long time OE user, think Opera Mail
would
be too difficult for me to learn, too technical?
Same goes for MesNews too.


I don't know a thing about MesNews but find Opera Mail to be the easiest
newsgroup reader to use.
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"You know you are giving communism a bad name by use that .signature!" -
Pneuma
  #114  
Old January 25th 14, 11:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_5_]
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On 1/24/2014, DianeLeMasson posted:
Since I have OEClassic already on my computer and want to try say,
Opera Mail, can both be on my computer without any conflicts?


Providing I use only one of course.


You can use more than one, but there's a trick. You'll need that in any
case if two e-mail programs are resident, in case you accidentally use
the other reader.

When you are experimenting with more than one e-mail reader, it is a
good idea to set your programs to leave copies of your e-mail on the
server(s). Otherwise when you read an e-mail in program 1, it is no
longer available for program 2 - or vice versa. Yu can delete mail
alter, manually. Once only one program is present, you can go to the
normal setting of delete on server.

This applies to POP e-mail, not to IMAP, at least the way IMAP is
working for me. My IMAP mail remains on gmail and is always available
to me on whatever device or program I use to read it.

--
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