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  #181  
Old March 14th 19, 06:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/13/19 8:04 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 16:32:52 -0700, T wrote:

On 3/13/19 9:35 AM, Mayayana wrote:
It's silly to use wireless
if you don't have to.


As a Radio Design engineer before doing this stuff, I can
only say "well stated"


I wish you guys were around when I was arging this general topic with
nospam in re.photo.digital.


Well now. I have had to remove folks trying to network Quickbooks
with wireless and put them on wired. Anything data intensive, wireless
sucks.

Now from a radio design engineers standpoint, wireless was
designed to be the last mile. Not a real mile, but
to places where wires can't reach. So you put an access point
as close as possible to the receiver. Folks misuse
wireless all the time.

When explaining this to my customers, I ask them how well their
cell phone works. After that, I get no argument.

Wireless could be designed to work properly, but no one
would pay the freight. They want it cheap. Cheap
is what they got.
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  #182  
Old March 14th 19, 08:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , wrote:


Well now. I have had to remove folks trying to network Quickbooks
with wireless and put them on wired. Anything data intensive, wireless
sucks.


nonsense. wifi works exceptionally well, regardless of data intensity.

Now from a radio design engineers standpoint, wireless was
designed to be the last mile. Not a real mile, but
to places where wires can't reach. So you put an access point
as close as possible to the receiver.


obviously, except that those access points might also be wireless,
otherwise known as mesh.

they also might not be particularly close, such as with cellular
towers, which can be several miles away in rural areas.

Folks misuse
wireless all the time.


very few do.

When explaining this to my customers, I ask them how well their
cell phone works. After that, I get no argument.


then they must have very ****ty cellphones.

Wireless could be designed to work properly, but no one
would pay the freight. They want it cheap. Cheap
is what they got.


not only is wireless designed to work properly, but it actually does
work properly and why billions of people rely on it worldwide for all
sorts of things.

it's also why landlines have been on the decline for *years*:
https://infographic.statista.com/nor...2_landline_pho
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  #183  
Old March 14th 19, 11:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/13/2019 7:27 PM, T wrote:
On 3/13/19 3:27 AM, Neil wrote:
I don't use OO/LO to interact with others because neither handles
anything but the most simplistic documents in translation. So, I
wouldn't care about that kind of use. But, to mangle their own files?
I had to recreate dozens of their documents in MS-Office (at my own
expense, BTW) to avoid going through that again. I have NO time for
that kindÂ*ofÂ*BS.


I recommend to my customer that have to send out mailings
to use LO's and Word PDF export option and send as a PDF.
That way even iPads can read them.

By "interact with others" I'm referring to EDITABLE documents, not PDFs.
Since most of the documents I create are more complex than OO/LO can
import/export in .docx format, I stuck with their native formats for
in-house work on computers without MS-Office until they screwed up their
own documents.

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Neil
  #184  
Old March 14th 19, 12:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/13/2019 4:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:


I typically see connection speed of 300-700 megabits on wireless-AC.
Pretty good but still not as fast as a wired gigabit connection.
Doesn't make much difference for most internet use. It does make a
difference when transferring large files between your PC and a local
server or if your use case requires the least possible latency.

Is this the number on the connection setup page?
Or is it the actual USABLE data transfer rate where it actually matters
40 feet away from the router and your neighbor's wifi is closer than yours?
Or in the apartment building with 10 other people trying to use the channel?

  #185  
Old March 14th 19, 12:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10 fedora

On 3/13/2019 5:20 PM, T wrote:
On 3/13/19 3:52 AM, Mike wrote:
WentÂ*toÂ*fedoraÂ*websiteÂ*andÂ*downloadedÂ*theÂ*d iskÂ*creator.
RanÂ*itÂ*andÂ*createdÂ*theÂ*usbÂ*liveÂ*version.
TheÂ*verificationÂ*progressÂ*barÂ*hitÂ*theÂ*endÂ*a ndÂ*itÂ*justÂ*hung.
SubtractÂ*1Â*fromÂ*theÂ*confidenceÂ*meter...

BurnedÂ*theÂ*.isoÂ*toÂ*aÂ*DVD.Â*Â*ThatÂ*workedÂ*fi ne.
LaterÂ*foundÂ*outÂ*thatÂ*theÂ*USBÂ*thumbÂ*driveÂ*w ouldÂ*boot
withÂ*theÂ*sameÂ*symptomsÂ*below.


1) redownload and run the check sum against it

2) burn the USB with "dd".

3) first boot, run the integrity check

retest

Also, it would help if you stated which spin you downloaded.


Like I said, it's the latest version on their download page last night.
Furthermore, it don't matter. ALL spins should download and install
without incident.

This is NOT an isolated incident. It's lack of attention to detail
across the whole desktop linux onion of chaos.







  #186  
Old March 14th 19, 01:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2019-03-14, T wrote:
Well now. I have had to remove folks trying to network Quickbooks
with wireless and put them on wired. Anything data intensive, wireless
sucks.


Anyone with real experience understands this. It gets even worse when
you get a little distance from the access point or there are walls or other
physical obstructions. (The faster 5GHz frequency range is particularly
bad in those instances, the signal drops off rapidly. Throughput drops
and latency rises.)

The only real upside to wireless is convenience when portability is
needed for accessing applications that are not data intensive. That's
all the typical home user sees when crowing about how "wonderful" wifi
is. (I don't concern myself with home users since I don't work with them.)

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  #187  
Old March 14th 19, 01:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2019-03-14, Mike wrote:
Is this the number on the connection setup page?
Or is it the actual USABLE data transfer rate where it actually matters
40 feet away from the router and your neighbor's wifi is closer than yours?
Or in the apartment building with 10 other people trying to use the channel?


It varies greatly depending on the environment and circumstances,
which is the point. Those figures are the maximum under favorable
clear-channel, single-user conditions. It goes downhill from there.

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  #188  
Old March 14th 19, 04:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:44:01 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2019-03-14, Mike wrote:
Is this the number on the connection setup page?
Or is it the actual USABLE data transfer rate where it actually matters
40 feet away from the router and your neighbor's wifi is closer than yours?
Or in the apartment building with 10 other people trying to use the channel?


It varies greatly depending on the environment and circumstances,
which is the point. Those figures are the maximum under favorable
clear-channel, single-user conditions. It goes downhill from there.


Unless you live at nospam's house. Over there, wireless apparently works
better than wired.

  #189  
Old March 14th 19, 04:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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nospam wrote:
In article , wrote:


Well now. I have had to remove folks trying to network Quickbooks
with wireless and put them on wired. Anything data intensive, wireless
sucks.


nonsense. wifi works exceptionally well, regardless of data intensity.


In reality Quickbooks sucks on a network regardless wire/wireless, but
that is beside the point. A wired connection in real life gives you a
more consistent reliable signal period. A the frequency goes up to
increase bandwidth the shorter the range and the more susceptible the
wireless signal becomes. Just a fact.


Now from a radio design engineers standpoint, wireless was
designed to be the last mile. Not a real mile, but
to places where wires can't reach. So you put an access point
as close as possible to the receiver.


obviously, except that those access points might also be wireless,
otherwise known as mesh.

they also might not be particularly close, such as with cellular
towers, which can be several miles away in rural areas.


Having really world experience with 5GHz wireless Internet can confirm
that my 5-12 mbps connection could suddenly drop to 0 to 100 kbsp randomly.

Being an extremely lucky rural US resident my rural electric coop
company decided to pull this area out of 3-world-status and also give a
Verizon the middle-finger-salute, (like they're building out any FIOS
now), and I have now had a FTTP connection for the last few days. There
is NO comparison for connection stability. Even when I had slow DSL the
connection was more stable than this wireless. The only advantage to
wireless is not have to route wires.

BTW as part of the deal for deregulation 25 years ago the telcos
*promised* us a fiber-optic "Information Superhighway" in less than 10
years...

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  #190  
Old March 14th 19, 04:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/14/19 11:32 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
BTW as part of the deal for deregulation 25 years ago the telcos
*promised* us a fiber-optic "Information Superhighway" in less than 10
years...

Let me do the math....25-10.... him that means it has been done for 15
years!! (In some homes at least).


  #191  
Old March 14th 19, 05:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 03/14/2019 10:20 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:44:01 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2019-03-14, Mike wrote:
Is this the number on the connection setup page?
Or is it the actual USABLE data transfer rate where it actually matters
40 feet away from the router and your neighbor's wifi is closer than yours?
Or in the apartment building with 10 other people trying to use the channel?


It varies greatly depending on the environment and circumstances,
which is the point. Those figures are the maximum under favorable
clear-channel, single-user conditions. It goes downhill from there.


Unless you live at nospam's house. Over there, wireless apparently works
better than wired.


Maybe its all the *hot* air at his house.

Rene

  #192  
Old March 14th 19, 05:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Big Al wrote:
On 3/14/19 11:32 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
BTW as part of the deal for deregulation 25 years ago the telcos
*promised*Â* us a fiber-optic "Information Superhighway" in less than 10
years...

Let me do the math....25-10.... him that means it has been done for 15
years!!Â*Â*Â* (In some homes at least).



Now if you were holding your breath...

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  #193  
Old March 14th 19, 06:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/13/19 2:46 PM, Paul wrote:

[snip]

And now that TV
no longer uses the top part of UHF, I expect those
frequencies to be auctioned some day (if they aren't
already).

Â*Â* Paul


UHF TV channels used to go to 83. Then it was 69. Then 51. Now it's
about to become 36?

  #194  
Old March 14th 19, 06:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/13/19 7:07 PM, Paul wrote:
Paul wrote:

And now that TV no longer uses the top part of UHF, I expect those
frequencies to be auctioned some day (if they aren't
already).


And just like that, there's an article today about
600MHz being auctioned off. It doesn't say what channels
exactly, but it could be UHF 36 through UHF 51. So more
bandwidth for cell service, and moar fluffy cat photos.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/600...tion-1.5051455


Â*Â* Paul


Did you know there are no TV stations on channel 37?


  #195  
Old March 14th 19, 07:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Paul" wrote

| And now that TV no longer uses the top part of UHF, I expect those
| frequencies to be auctioned some day (if they aren't
| already).
|
| And just like that, there's an article today about
| 600MHz being auctioned off. It doesn't say what channels
| exactly, but it could be UHF 36 through UHF 51.

Are you sure that isn't VHF? I get CH 2-68 UHF
on my rabbit ears. Or maybe it's different in Canada?


 




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