Win7 support:

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


I actually recognize the one screen with
all the different applications icons and
I tried clicking on them but none of them
activated.

Robert

Sometimes the double click doesn't register.

Try right-click and "Open" at the top, for
an unambiguous opening of a program icon sitting
on the desktop.

I don't know what to suggest for Tiles in the main
menu, if they don't react.

Paul

Well, both are activated now so I won't have to
bother until the next Win10 install.

Robert

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

_Do_ you think the "entitlement" generation will stop around the end
of W7 support (January 2020 IIRR)?
John

Absolutely.

The end of support is the end of support. Period.

Whenever Extended Support for Win7 stops, on that
day the free offer will disappear.

Paul

Thanks.

How about my other question: can you think of anything Microsoft, or
anyone else, might do to "break" Windows 7 (after that, obviously), so
that I might regret not having got the entitlement?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!"

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


I actually recognize the one screen with
all the different applications icons and
I tried clicking on them but none of them
activated.

Robert

Sometimes the double click doesn't register.

Try right-click and "Open" at the top, for
an unambiguous opening of a program icon sitting
on the desktop.

I don't know what to suggest for Tiles in the main
menu, if they don't react.

Paul

So now that I have both computer's with Windows 10
activated how will this work if I want to install
Win10 at some point? Will it be the same exact
procedure?

Robert

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

_Do_ you think the "entitlement" generation will stop around the end
of W7 support (January 2020 IIRR)?
John

Absolutely.

The end of support is the end of support. Period.

Whenever Extended Support for Win7 stops, on that
day the free offer will disappear.

Paul

Thanks.

How about my other question: can you think of anything Microsoft, or
anyone else, might do to "break" Windows 7 (after that, obviously), so
that I might regret not having got the entitlement?

It will be the usual passive resistance approach.

New version of .NET, not available for Win10.
Shoved into Visual Studio, causing projects to
compile it in, and then "can't run new proggies
on Win7".

That's how they extinguish old OSes.

We'll need DirectX 13, and so on, to help
the demise of Win7 along.

You must know the drill by now :-/

Paul

Robert in CA wrote:


So now that I have both computer's with Windows 10
activated how will this work if I want to install
Win10 at some point? Will it be the same exact
procedure?

Robert

Basically, yes.

You can even click the "I don't have a key"
button and not even enter the Win7 key.

The Microsoft server should "recognize a return customer",
just like that. And activate without any additional
prompting or key entry.

Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
How about my other question: can you think of anything Microsoft, or
anyone else, might do to "break" Windows 7 (after that, obviously), so
that I might regret not having got the entitlement?

It will be the usual passive resistance approach.

New version of .NET, not available for Win10.
Shoved into Visual Studio, causing projects to
compile it in, and then "can't run new proggies
on Win7".

That's how they extinguish old OSes.

We'll need DirectX 13, and so on, to help
the demise of Win7 along.

You must know the drill by now :-/

Indeed )-:.

Paul

There's not a lot of new things I can think of that I'll need. And
judging from how long most _worthwhile_ software continued to run under
XP ... but I'm sure you're right. I might get my entitlement - just
seems a _lot_ of work. (I'd want W10-32, but presumably that isn't a
problem.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Radio 4 is the civilising influence in this country ... I think it is the most
important institution in this country. - John Humphrys, Radio Times
7-13/06/2003

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


So now that I have both computer's with Windows 10
activated how will this work if I want to install
Win10 at some point? Will it be the same exact
procedure?

Robert

Basically, yes.

You can even click the "I don't have a key"
button and not even enter the Win7 key.

The Microsoft server should "recognize a return customer",
just like that. And activate without any additional
prompting or key entry.

Paul


I've been receiving emails from Microsoft ever
since we did the Windows 10 and today I received
this:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2mxltnr.jpg

I'm just wondering if this is OK and should I
click the agreement? I'm always a bit leery of
clicking email links.

Also while on tiny pic malwarebytes blocked a
trojan software attempt. I wasn't fast enough
to take a screenshot of it but shows that even
on Tinypic or Yahoo I encounter these things.

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:


I've been receiving emails from Microsoft ever
since we did the Windows 10 and today I received
this:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2mxltnr.jpg

I'm just wondering if this is OK and should I
click the agreement? I'm always a bit leery of
clicking email links.

Also while on tiny pic malwarebytes blocked a
trojan software attempt. I wasn't fast enough
to take a screenshot of it but shows that even
on Tinypic or Yahoo I encounter these things.

Robert

That's probably related to the Microsoft Account
somehow. You would think they could just send the
information right in the email, but I suppose that's
too easy.

https://www.microsoft.com/en/service...oming-faq.aspx

"The updates to the Microsoft Services Agreement will take
effect on August 30, 2019. Until that time, your current
terms remain in effect."

You're right to be suspicious though, because just
about anyone could send you an email that *looks*
like that, complete with links that go somewhere else.
Phishing is still one of the most profitable infection
routes.

As for Tinypic and Yahoo, as long as their advertising
comes from "bulk advertisers", stuff will slide through.
Yahoo, with a hundred million web clicks a day, is a
good place to place booby trapped adverts. While they
attempt to scan them, the provider can always switch
the content on the fly.

Paul

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 7:24:07 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


I've been receiving emails from Microsoft ever
since we did the Windows 10 and today I received
this:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2mxltnr.jpg

I'm just wondering if this is OK and should I
click the agreement? I'm always a bit leery of
clicking email links.

Also while on tiny pic malwarebytes blocked a
trojan software attempt. I wasn't fast enough
to take a screenshot of it but shows that even
on Tinypic or Yahoo I encounter these things.

Robert

That's probably related to the Microsoft Account
somehow. You would think they could just send the
information right in the email, but I suppose that's
too easy.

https://www.microsoft.com/en/service...oming-faq.aspx

"The updates to the Microsoft Services Agreement will take
effect on August 30, 2019. Until that time, your current
terms remain in effect."

You're right to be suspicious though, because just
about anyone could send you an email that *looks*
like that, complete with links that go somewhere else.
Phishing is still one of the most profitable infection
routes.

As for Tinypic and Yahoo, as long as their advertising
comes from "bulk advertisers", stuff will slide through.
Yahoo, with a hundred million web clicks a day, is a
good place to place booby trapped adverts. While they
attempt to scan them, the provider can always switch
the content on the fly.

Paul



Also, I think what I will do is take the Win 10 HD we
created and put it in the 780 as a second HD and play
around with it on there.

Robert

In message ,
Robert in CA writes:
On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 7:24:07 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


I've been receiving emails from Microsoft ever
since we did the Windows 10 and today I received
this:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2mxltnr.jpg

I didn't get that (or any) image, in either browser, at least not in the
time I was willing to wait.

I'm just wondering if this is OK and should I
click the agreement? I'm always a bit leery of
clicking email links.

Also while on tiny pic malwarebytes blocked a

Interesting, so you're using malwarebytes in continuous mode. I normally
hear it mentioned as a source of a one-off offline scanner (unless I'm
confusing it with something else).

trojan software attempt. I wasn't fast enough
to take a screenshot of it but shows that even
on Tinypic or Yahoo I encounter these things.

Is there _nowhere_ else you can put your pics - don't you have a domain?
Mine costs me twentysomething a _year_, and for the saving of worry and
bother, is well worth that - to me. YMMV.

Robert

That's probably related to the Microsoft Account
somehow. You would think they could just send the
information right in the email, but I suppose that's
too easy.

https://www.microsoft.com/en/service...oming-faq.aspx

"The updates to the Microsoft Services Agreement will take
effect on August 30, 2019. Until that time, your current
terms remain in effect."

Interesting. Presumably he's getting this email because he wasn't
determined enough when doing his W10 setup (as you've described, it's
pretty obscure!) to get a "local account". For those that _do_ succeed
in setting up 10 with a local account, how are MS going to inflict the
new Agreement on them, if they (MS) have no email to send it to?

You're right to be suspicious though, because just
about anyone could send you an email that *looks*
like that, complete with links that go somewhere else.
Phishing is still one of the most profitable infection
routes.

Indeed!

As for Tinypic and Yahoo, as long as their advertising
comes from "bulk advertisers", stuff will slide through.
Yahoo, with a hundred million web clicks a day, is a
good place to place booby trapped adverts. While they
attempt to scan them, the provider can always switch
the content on the fly.

It takes forever (to do nothing) as it is.

Paul



Also, I think what I will do is take the Win 10 HD we
created and put it in the 780 as a second HD and play
around with it on there.

If you mean to boot from, I don't think that will work (unless the 780
is the machine you created it on).

Robert
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Practicall every British actor with a bus pass is in there ...
Barry Norman (on "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel" [2011]), RT 2015/12/12-18

On 12/07/2019 17:49, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Is there _nowhere_ else you can put your pics - don't you have a
domain? Mine costs me twentysomething a _year_, and for the saving of
worry and bother, is well worth that - to me.

you can host a website for almost free on Microsoft Azure, Amazon
AWS-S3 (AWS stands for Amazon Web Sites I am told), Netlify, Alibaba, &
IBM. It is called Cloud storage of static websites (html, css, &
javascripts) including images of course.

They also do dynamic websites using php, asp.net, MySQL, MSSql & C# but
for most people this may not be relevant.

I said almost free because the charges works out at about 1p per month
for 5GB storage and Microsoft, Amazon and Netlify haven't charged me
anything for the past two years. You can also upload a static website &
images on GitHub and it is also free and there is no limit (I have a
test site on GitHub). I haven't used Alibaba because it is a Chinese
based and I was intimidated by current trade war going on between USA
and China and I don't want the service to terminate without notice.

I should perhaps write instructions as to how to use these services.
However, nutters here will always find excuses not to use Amazon or
Microsoft or Google and they are missing out on many good things in life
out there available for free.

I didn't mention Google Drive for the reason of scepticism floating here
but it too can host a website. It is a new service (past two years in
my account) and not many people seem to know about it. The limit is
15GB ONLY!!! God knows how many people can use all that space but it
is a limit anyway!!.



--
With over 999 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 20:53:08 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

I said almost free because the charges works out at about 1p per month
for 5GB storage and Microsoft, Amazon and Netlify haven't charged me
anything for the past two years.

Aha, so that how they pay you! I suppose you are deductible..
Worth every "1p" I'm sure.

PS You forgot to mention. Always encrypt EVERYTHING, however
trivial, before using someone else's hard drives to store data.
TrueCrypt is a good choice.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 7:24:07 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


I've been receiving emails from Microsoft ever
since we did the Windows 10 and today I received
this:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2mxltnr.jpg

I didn't get that (or any) image, in either browser, at least not in the
time I was willing to wait.

I'm just wondering if this is OK and should I
click the agreement? I'm always a bit leery of
clicking email links.

Also while on tiny pic malwarebytes blocked a

Interesting, so you're using malwarebytes in continuous mode. I normally
hear it mentioned as a source of a one-off offline scanner (unless I'm
confusing it with something else).

trojan software attempt. I wasn't fast enough
to take a screenshot of it but shows that even
on Tinypic or Yahoo I encounter these things.

Is there _nowhere_ else you can put your pics - don't you have a domain?
Mine costs me twentysomething a _year_, and for the saving of worry and
bother, is well worth that - to me. YMMV.

Robert

That's probably related to the Microsoft Account
somehow. You would think they could just send the
information right in the email, but I suppose that's
too easy.

https://www.microsoft.com/en/service...oming-faq.aspx

"The updates to the Microsoft Services Agreement will take
effect on August 30, 2019. Until that time, your current
terms remain in effect."

Interesting. Presumably he's getting this email because he wasn't
determined enough when doing his W10 setup (as you've described, it's
pretty obscure!) to get a "local account". For those that _do_ succeed
in setting up 10 with a local account, how are MS going to inflict the
new Agreement on them, if they (MS) have no email to send it to?

You're right to be suspicious though, because just
about anyone could send you an email that *looks*
like that, complete with links that go somewhere else.
Phishing is still one of the most profitable infection
routes.

Indeed!

As for Tinypic and Yahoo, as long as their advertising
comes from "bulk advertisers", stuff will slide through.
Yahoo, with a hundred million web clicks a day, is a
good place to place booby trapped adverts. While they
attempt to scan them, the provider can always switch
the content on the fly.

It takes forever (to do nothing) as it is.

Paul



Also, I think what I will do is take the Win 10 HD we
created and put it in the 780 as a second HD and play
around with it on there.

If you mean to boot from, I don't think that will work (unless the 780
is the machine you created it on).

Robert
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Practicall every British actor with a bus pass is in there ...
Barry Norman (on "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel" [2011]), RT 2015/12/12-18



No I do not have a domain and I'm satisfied
the way things are.

If you scroll back, I did try to set-up a local
account.

The Win 10 was first created on the 8500 then we
did the 780.

Robert

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 6:20:02 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


Also, it never asked me about Win 10 Pro
but I see that it installed it on both the
8500 and 780.

Robert

Apparently, it's more clever than I am.

It must be reading something about the licensing
of the machine on its own. Windows 7 OEM would use a
BIOS SLIC table. Maybe it can parse something from there,
to figure out the SKU to use. Since you didn't do a
Win10-over-Win7, it would not otherwise have a clue
what was on the machine. If you entered the key from
the COA at the key prompt, now *that* is a stronger
clue for the installer.

It's possible to "re-master" a Windows installer DVD
and remove "ei.cfg", which is supposed to cause the
menu of available OSes to appear. A recipe such as
the one I showed you for "making a DVD smaller" would
likely work, minus the DISM step. You'd extract the
DVD contents, then use oscdimg.exe to make a new DVD.
Once you'd removed ei.cfg from the folder holding
the DVD contents, of course.

Everything seems to be done at this point.

Play with Windows 10 as you see fit.

Test Classic Shell on it, if the interface bothers
you or something :-)

I use Windows 10, but I can't "surf in it all day long"
or do personal stuff in it. For me right now, it's
just an engine.

Paul


Today I tried to install the Windows 10 HD in the 780
but it only has one connector on the blue cable.

http://i63.tinypic.com/255l26f.jpg

So can I buy another cable with two connectors or am I
limited to just one HD at a time? Where would I buy it?
Newegg? Is this the data or power cable? What would I
ask for?

Thanks,
Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 6:20:02 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it never asked me about Win 10 Pro
but I see that it installed it on both the
8500 and 780.

Robert
Apparently, it's more clever than I am.

It must be reading something about the licensing
of the machine on its own. Windows 7 OEM would use a
BIOS SLIC table. Maybe it can parse something from there,
to figure out the SKU to use. Since you didn't do a
Win10-over-Win7, it would not otherwise have a clue
what was on the machine. If you entered the key from
the COA at the key prompt, now *that* is a stronger
clue for the installer.

It's possible to "re-master" a Windows installer DVD
and remove "ei.cfg", which is supposed to cause the
menu of available OSes to appear. A recipe such as
the one I showed you for "making a DVD smaller" would
likely work, minus the DISM step. You'd extract the
DVD contents, then use oscdimg.exe to make a new DVD.
Once you'd removed ei.cfg from the folder holding
the DVD contents, of course.

Everything seems to be done at this point.

Play with Windows 10 as you see fit.

Test Classic Shell on it, if the interface bothers
you or something :-)

I use Windows 10, but I can't "surf in it all day long"
or do personal stuff in it. For me right now, it's
just an engine.

Paul


Today I tried to install the Windows 10 HD in the 780
but it only has one connector on the blue cable.

http://i63.tinypic.com/255l26f.jpg

So can I buy another cable with two connectors or am I
limited to just one HD at a time? Where would I buy it?
Newegg? Is this the data or power cable? What would I
ask for?

Thanks,
Robert

The power on the right, is already daisy-chained.

Assuming you have the original supply in there, then the spacing
would look like the picture.

If you have a replacement supply in there, the connector
to connector spacing can be different. It just means there's
more slack cable between the two drive installs.

*******

As far as the data cable is concerned, the blue part is
a "Dell-ism" and you won't find that elsewhere. Whatever
that long handle is for, other companies use a less fancy
left-angle connector.

The problem with a left-angle connector, is it can be
a nuisance to take off. It's hard to get a grip on it.

*******

There are both right angle (cable goes down) and left angle
(cable goes up) data connectors.

From the picture you show, you probably want this one.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16812123282

The straight end goes into the vertical motherboard
connector. The angled part is for the drive.

With your spare drive sitting in front of you,
notice how the 7 contact data portion is "L-shaped". The L
is for keying, so it only goes on one way.

Now, using the magnifier view on the Newegg web page,
eyeball how the left-angle, with the cable leading
away in the upward direction, mates properly with
the drive in its normal orientation (stick-on label
facing upwards).

It's by doing these test installs in your mind,
that you get the correct cable on the first try.

The cables without the metal jaw for retention,
are suitable for a couple hundred insertions.
The unadorned cables are a compression fit, but
the connector will wear a bit and the normal
force will go down with time, and they get a little
loose.

The cables with the metal jaw, fit tighter,
but they can be slightly harder to get off too.
If you plan on using the cables a great many times,
until the connector is worn, the jaw helps hold
things together a bit longer. In the Test Machine,
I have four without jaws, and two with jaws, to
give you some idea how arbitrary it is :-)

Pick a length suitable for the job. Measure the
current cable, and imagine in your mind how the
new cable will be routed.

It's a lot like picking shoe laces at the shoe store.
It really helps to have an old lace in your hand
for sizing.

Paul