Win7 support:

The folders/files are still there when I do
a search but the Dell Imagining is gone. If
I do a system restore would that bring it
back?

Otherwise all I can think of is to re-stalled
the Dell Imaging software and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring everything back.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 3:14:35 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
[]
Would this be the correct download page if I wanted
to install it? Should I?

https://www.downloadhelper.net/

Robert
Yes it's a valid download page. You have little to lose by trying it -
you don't have to use it if you don't like how it works, and can always
unload it. I haven't downloaded it recently, so will give the usual
warnings - watch out for extras you don't want, both during the download
and during the install.

Do also get youtube-dl.exe; don't be put off by Paul's mention of Linux
- it works just as well in Windows.

All such download things have a constant arms race with operators of
video-containing websites. Some have automatic updaters, some manual. So
far, the only times I've found youtube-dl has failed, I've updated it
(very simple: you type "youtube-dl -U"), and the new version had already
had incorporated into it whatever had broken the previous version.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush.
It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.
-Robert Maynard Hutchins, educator (1899-1977)
I re-read your post and saw you recommend
YouTube -DL which is what Paul uses and yes
I was put off by Linux. So maybe I will give
that a try first. Is this the correct download
page for YouTube-DL?

https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/index.html

Robert
https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl

https://yt-dl.org/latest/youtube-dl.exe == for Windows users

"Windows users can download an .exe file and place it in any
location on their PATH except for %SYSTEMROOT%\System32
(e.g. do *not* put it in C:\Windows\System32). "

I would probably just put the program in the same folder
as the downloads are going into.

Paul


Thanks for the link; I'll try it but a more pressing issue has
come up. I was using my Imagine Imagining software when it
suddenly was gone. Sometimes that happens and its get overloaded
or whatever and shuts down and I just restart it and carry on. It
doesn't happen allot but only once in awhile but this time it gave
me this message and I cannot find it in Programs and Features.

https://postimg.cc/p580kwY7

What happened? I got a message from Avast
shortly thereafter that it had blocked an
attempt. I can't remember what it was.

So how do I get my Dell imaging back and not loose the data?
Would a Macrium restore restore the Dell Imaging software?
I have the original disk and can reload the program but I had
allot of data I don't want to loose on there.

I tried restarting the computer and still the same.

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert

Does Avast have a Quarantine folder ?

The file could be in there.

You can use Macrium and a recent backup, to try and find
a copy of the file.

The problem is, TrustedInstaller owns the Program Files
folder, so putting the file back will not be easy.

If Avast can be convinced to put it back from Quarantine,
that would be easier.

Installing the software is one way to put it back.

If you go to Control Panels : Programs and Features, and
select the Dell package, see if it offers a "Repair" option
instead of "Uninstall". A few programs reinstall and repair
missing files, when asked. Not every program does that
though, and a lot show "Uninstall" when you try.

Paul

Robert in CA wrote:
The folders/files are still there when I do
a search but the Dell Imagining is gone. If
I do a system restore would that bring it
back?

Otherwise all I can think of is to re-stalled
the Dell Imaging software and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring everything back.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

Would you have accidentally executed the "Uninstall"
file in the Program Files folder for it ?

Does the program entry still exist in
Control Panels : Programs and Features ?

Sure, reinstalling it would put it back, as long
as Avast false-positive doesn't grab it again.

Paul

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 8:30:51 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
The folders/files are still there when I do
a search but the Dell Imagining is gone. If
I do a system restore would that bring it
back?

Otherwise all I can think of is to re-stalled
the Dell Imaging software and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring everything back.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

Would you have accidentally executed the "Uninstall"
file in the Program Files folder for it ?

Does the program entry still exist in
Control Panels : Programs and Features ?

Sure, reinstalling it would put it back, as long
as Avast false-positive doesn't grab it again.

Paul



I'm not sure exactly what happened? I
checked the virus chest of Avast and
its not there so where else would I
check if it has the file?


It also don't have a repair option but
it does have update information which
is the same as the support link.

https://postimg.cc/ZvqBWVTJ

Robert

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 8:30:51 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
The folders/files are still there when I do
a search but the Dell Imagining is gone. If
I do a system restore would that bring it
back?

Otherwise all I can think of is to re-stalled
the Dell Imaging software and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring everything back.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

Would you have accidentally executed the "Uninstall"
file in the Program Files folder for it ?

Does the program entry still exist in
Control Panels : Programs and Features ?

Sure, reinstalling it would put it back, as long
as Avast false-positive doesn't grab it again.

Paul



Anything is possible and I may have, I don't
remember.

If I did, then I would have to re-install
Dell Imaging using my CD and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring it up to date. Correct?

I got the Dell Imaging with the 8200 when new
and I liked it allot. So when I upgraded to
the 8500 I just continued using it since I had
the disk. The 780 also has it. So when doing
computer problems or Mrimg backups I can see
the screenshots.

The 780 also has the flat 15" screen that came
with the 8200 and is still working well. I never
adjusted any of the controls on front so its like
I had it when new.

Robert
Robert

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 8:50:34 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 8:30:51 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
The folders/files are still there when I do
a search but the Dell Imagining is gone. If
I do a system restore would that bring it
back?

Otherwise all I can think of is to re-stalled
the Dell Imaging software and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring everything back.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

Would you have accidentally executed the "Uninstall"
file in the Program Files folder for it ?

Does the program entry still exist in
Control Panels : Programs and Features ?

Sure, reinstalling it would put it back, as long
as Avast false-positive doesn't grab it again.

Paul



I'm not sure exactly what happened? I
checked the virus chest of Avast and
its not there so where else would I
check if it has the file?


It also don't have a repair option but
it does have update information which
is the same as the support link.

https://postimg.cc/ZvqBWVTJ

Robert

I clicked on the update option and this is what
it gave me:

https://www.paintshoppro.com/en/products/plugins/topaz/


It seems I'm out of options and have to re-install
unless you can think of something else or I missed
checking in Avast?


Robert
Robert

In message , Paul
writes:
Robert in CA wrote:

That sounds beyond me like the FFMPEG.
I do have Adobe Flash installed but I can't use that to create
movies only to watch them is that not correct?
Robert

I installed it, in Windows 10 in a VM, with a
Firefox 67 or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_DownloadHelper

It asks for a "Companion App".
This is what it expects you to download.

https://github.com/mi-g/vdhcoapp

So what happens is:

1) Download and install Video_DownloadHelper
2) Try to snag your first Youtube video.
3) It gets part way through and asks for Companion App.
And that file is not coming from the Mozilla site
as far as I know.
4) Now, when you download a video, it's going to save it,
put a watermark on top of it, and ask you to pay to
remove the watermark.

*******

I think the problem here, is John is using the old version
which is .xpi based (works in Firefox 52ESR perhaps).

The newer version is for WebExtensions on the newer browsers.
And it got broken into two or more pieces.

Just a guess.

Maybe John can elaborate on how well the .xpi version works.

Paul

Certainly the old version of DownloadHelper that works with my old
Firefox doesn't need the "companion app". It doesn't make this all that
obvious for the new user though; if, during the download of a video, you
select a format that is other than the format the video is in, _then_
you need the companion app., which is a video format converter. I can
imagine a converter putting a watermark in.

I don't _remember_ having to download any companion app when I installed
DownloadHelper in up-to-date Chrome, either, though. I just find it
rather clumsy to use in Chrome - my usual download there is to use
youtube-dl.

Actually, my usual process, for YouTube anyway, is to look at it in
Chrome, then copy the URL to Firefox and use DownloadHelper the my
old Firefox won't show the YouTube video (I sometimes hear the audio),
but DownloadHelper usually works and is easy. If _that_ fails, I use
youtube-dl.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I
have one. -Cato the Elder, statesman, soldier, and writer (234-149 BCE)

Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 8:30:51 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
The folders/files are still there when I do
a search but the Dell Imagining is gone. If
I do a system restore would that bring it
back?

Otherwise all I can think of is to re-stalled
the Dell Imaging software and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring everything back.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
Would you have accidentally executed the "Uninstall"
file in the Program Files folder for it ?

Does the program entry still exist in
Control Panels : Programs and Features ?

Sure, reinstalling it would put it back, as long
as Avast false-positive doesn't grab it again.

Paul

Anything is possible and I may have, I don't
remember.

If I did, then I would have to re-install
Dell Imaging using my CD and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring it up to date. Correct?

I got the Dell Imaging with the 8200 when new
and I liked it allot. So when I upgraded to
the 8500 I just continued using it since I had
the disk. The 780 also has it. So when doing
computer problems or Mrimg backups I can see
the screenshots.

The 780 also has the flat 15" screen that came
with the 8200 and is still working well. I never
adjusted any of the controls on front so its like
I had it when new.

Robert

Are you sure that re-installing it, erases stuff ?

Normally, programs keep the datastore from before.

It's possible some settings might be lost, but that
should be minimal.

I would just reinstall it and go back to using it.

Paul

In message ,
Robert in CA writes:

[all of preceding post snipped - do you think you could do that if
you're not referring to it, as in this case?]

I tried installing YouTube -dl but don't know if I
have and if I have I don't know how to use it. To
create different site pages than it already has.

https://postimg.cc/Xpkt3xjS
That's a page about Video DownloadHelper, not youtube-dl.


https://postimg.cc/cg35zB9z
As is that.

https://postimg.cc/HrPZshFK
And that.

https://postimg.cc/Tp5qJ3sk
And that. That says you have installed DownloadHelper.

https://postimg.cc/9rywfRKj
Another VDH one.

https://postimg.cc/QKGxLSXK
I think that's still part of VDH's website.

When I open up 'all programs' I see nothing
new has been added. Do I have to do more?

Thoughts?
Robert

Video Downloadhelper is a browser extension; it appears as an extra
button within the browser, not in "all programs". The button has three
balls on it - initially shades of grey, but when you look at a webpage
that it recognises as containing a video it can download, they become
red blue and yellow. (In Chrome, it doesn't work with the YouTube site;
since Google are behind both Chrome and YouTube, they made it a
condition of their carrying it on the Chrome add-ons site that it
wouldn't work on YouTube videos.)

Since youtube-dl is a command line utility, it won't appear in "all
programs"; you have to call it up the old-fashioned way. You'll know you
have installed it correctly by the fact that, somewhere on your system,
you will have a file called youtube-dl.exe, of size about 8M (the
version I currently have, which is version 2019.07.14, is 8,049,717
bytes). As Paul says, I'd just put a copy of it into your download
folder - say D:\temp or something like that.

Then, when you find a webpage containing a video you want to download -
I'll use
https://public.oed.com/blog/in-conve...rris-part-one/
as an example:

1. Copy the URL (to the normal clipboard).
2. In explorer, go to D:\temp.
3. Open a command prompt there. [If you don't have "command prompt here"
see below.]
4. type
youtube-dl
(that's "youtube-dl" followed by a space).
5. alt-space, E, P. This will paste in the URL, so the command window
should show
D:\tempyoutube-dl
https://public.oed.com/blog/in-conve...rris-part-one/
for my example.
6. press Enter.
Lots of lines of text will appear - ignore those; if it works, the last
one will start with "[download]" followed by a percentage, which should
rise to 100%.
7. Close the command window (unless you're going to be doing more).
8. In explorer, looking at your download folder, there should now be a
video file that wasn't there before. Rename it if you wish, then move it
to the folder you want it to be in.

If you don't have "Open command window here" or similar when you
right-click on a folder, then add it - either by the standalone (e. g.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/det...mpt_here.html),
or it is one of the settings in the Windows 7 tweaker
(http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultima...a-tweak-ui-for
-windows-7-vista)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I
have one. -Cato the Elder, statesman, soldier, and writer (234-149 BCE)

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
Robert in CA wrote:

That sounds beyond me like the FFMPEG.
I do have Adobe Flash installed but I can't use that to create
movies only to watch them is that not correct?
Robert

I installed it, in Windows 10 in a VM, with a
Firefox 67 or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_DownloadHelper

It asks for a "Companion App".
This is what it expects you to download.

https://github.com/mi-g/vdhcoapp

So what happens is:

1) Download and install Video_DownloadHelper
2) Try to snag your first Youtube video.
3) It gets part way through and asks for Companion App.
And that file is not coming from the Mozilla site
as far as I know.
4) Now, when you download a video, it's going to save it,
put a watermark on top of it, and ask you to pay to
remove the watermark.

*******

I think the problem here, is John is using the old version
which is .xpi based (works in Firefox 52ESR perhaps).

The newer version is for WebExtensions on the newer browsers.
And it got broken into two or more pieces.

Just a guess.

Maybe John can elaborate on how well the .xpi version works.

Paul

Certainly the old version of DownloadHelper that works with my old
Firefox doesn't need the "companion app". It doesn't make this all that
obvious for the new user though; if, during the download of a video, you
select a format that is other than the format the video is in, _then_
you need the companion app., which is a video format converter. I can
imagine a converter putting a watermark in.

I don't _remember_ having to download any companion app when I installed
DownloadHelper in up-to-date Chrome, either, though. I just find it
rather clumsy to use in Chrome - my usual download there is to use
youtube-dl.

Actually, my usual process, for YouTube anyway, is to look at it in
Chrome, then copy the URL to Firefox and use DownloadHelper the my
old Firefox won't show the YouTube video (I sometimes hear the audio),
but DownloadHelper usually works and is easy. If _that_ fails, I use
youtube-dl.

I'm beginning to think the command line "youtube-dl.exe"
is our only hope.

The best software, is the software you write yourself.
Because then you have no one to blame but yourself.

Paul

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message ,
Robert in CA writes:

[all of preceding post snipped - do you think you could do that if
you're not referring to it, as in this case?]

I tried installing YouTube -dl but don't know if I
have and if I have I don't know how to use it. To
create different site pages than it already has.

https://postimg.cc/Xpkt3xjS
That's a page about Video DownloadHelper, not youtube-dl.

https://postimg.cc/cg35zB9z
As is that.
https://postimg.cc/HrPZshFK
And that.
https://postimg.cc/Tp5qJ3sk
And that. That says you have installed DownloadHelper.
https://postimg.cc/9rywfRKj
Another VDH one.
https://postimg.cc/QKGxLSXK
I think that's still part of VDH's website.
When I open up 'all programs' I see nothing
new has been added. Do I have to do more?

Thoughts?
Robert

Video Downloadhelper is a browser extension; it appears as an extra
button within the browser, not in "all programs". The button has three
balls on it - initially shades of grey, but when you look at a webpage
that it recognises as containing a video it can download, they become
red blue and yellow. (In Chrome, it doesn't work with the YouTube site;
since Google are behind both Chrome and YouTube, they made it a
condition of their carrying it on the Chrome add-ons site that it
wouldn't work on YouTube videos.)

Since youtube-dl is a command line utility, it won't appear in "all
programs"; you have to call it up the old-fashioned way. You'll know you
have installed it correctly by the fact that, somewhere on your system,
you will have a file called youtube-dl.exe, of size about 8M (the
version I currently have, which is version 2019.07.14, is 8,049,717
bytes). As Paul says, I'd just put a copy of it into your download
folder - say D:\temp or something like that.

Then, when you find a webpage containing a video you want to download -
I'll use
https://public.oed.com/blog/in-conve...rris-part-one/
as an example:

1. Copy the URL (to the normal clipboard).
2. In explorer, go to D:\temp.
3. Open a command prompt there. [If you don't have "command prompt here"
see below.]
4. type
youtube-dl
(that's "youtube-dl" followed by a space).
5. alt-space, E, P. This will paste in the URL, so the command window
should show
D:\tempyoutube-dl
https://public.oed.com/blog/in-conve...rris-part-one/
for my example.
6. press Enter.
Lots of lines of text will appear - ignore those; if it works, the last
one will start with "[download]" followed by a percentage, which should
rise to 100%.
7. Close the command window (unless you're going to be doing more).
8. In explorer, looking at your download folder, there should now be a
video file that wasn't there before. Rename it if you wish, then move it
to the folder you want it to be in.

If you don't have "Open command window here" or similar when you
right-click on a folder, then add it - either by the standalone (e. g.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/det...mpt_here.html),
or it is one of the settings in the Windows 7 tweaker
(http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultima...a-tweak-ui-for
-windows-7-vista)

This isn't Windows, but a couple lines at the bottom
here, show that "youtube-dl.exe" takes a few arguments
on the command line, and does most of the work for you.
The filenames of the videos will be extracted from
something on the webpage.

https://i.postimg.cc/7Z07RK97/youtube-dl-works.gif

That's a picture I took when playing with it a few
months back.

And if a webpage has two videos, it can download both
of them for you.

Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
This isn't Windows, but a couple lines at the bottom
here, show that "youtube-dl.exe" takes a few arguments
on the command line, and does most of the work for you.
[]
I was trying to keep things simple for Robert: although youtube-dl _can_
take arguments/parameters, every time I've used it so far, using just
the one - the URL - has been fine. (I've used it myself with the -U
[update] parameter, and the -F [show available formats - though I'd have
to look at my stored emails to remind myself how to select other than
the "(best)" one].) Remember Robert said ffmpeg was too complex for him.
(It is for me: I've saved a few specific examples and used those. Well,
not too complex as such, just I don't currently feel like learning it.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Religion often uses faith as a blindfold, saying anyone who doesn't believe
the same as us must be wiped out. It's not God saying that. It's people, which
is so dangerous. - Jenny Agutter, RT 2015/1/17-23

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 10:22:54 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 8:30:51 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
The folders/files are still there when I do
a search but the Dell Imagining is gone. If
I do a system restore would that bring it
back?

Otherwise all I can think of is to re-stalled
the Dell Imaging software and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring everything back.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
Would you have accidentally executed the "Uninstall"
file in the Program Files folder for it ?

Does the program entry still exist in
Control Panels : Programs and Features ?

Sure, reinstalling it would put it back, as long
as Avast false-positive doesn't grab it again.

Paul

Anything is possible and I may have, I don't
remember.

If I did, then I would have to re-install
Dell Imaging using my CD and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring it up to date. Correct?

I got the Dell Imaging with the 8200 when new
and I liked it allot. So when I upgraded to
the 8500 I just continued using it since I had
the disk. The 780 also has it. So when doing
computer problems or Mrimg backups I can see
the screenshots.

The 780 also has the flat 15" screen that came
with the 8200 and is still working well. I never
adjusted any of the controls on front so its like
I had it when new.

Robert

Are you sure that re-installing it, erases stuff ?

Normally, programs keep the datastore from before.

It's possible some settings might be lost, but that
should be minimal.

I would just reinstall it and go back to using it.

Paul

Well,. actually no,.. but since it isn't functioning
I'll re-install and let you know.

Robert

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 10:22:54 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 8:30:51 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
The folders/files are still there when I do
a search but the Dell Imagining is gone. If
I do a system restore would that bring it
back?

Otherwise all I can think of is to re-stalled
the Dell Imaging software and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring everything back.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
Would you have accidentally executed the "Uninstall"
file in the Program Files folder for it ?

Does the program entry still exist in
Control Panels : Programs and Features ?

Sure, reinstalling it would put it back, as long
as Avast false-positive doesn't grab it again.

Paul

Anything is possible and I may have, I don't
remember.

If I did, then I would have to re-install
Dell Imaging using my CD and then do a Mrimg
restore to bring it up to date. Correct?

I got the Dell Imaging with the 8200 when new
and I liked it allot. So when I upgraded to
the 8500 I just continued using it since I had
the disk. The 780 also has it. So when doing
computer problems or Mrimg backups I can see
the screenshots.

The 780 also has the flat 15" screen that came
with the 8200 and is still working well. I never
adjusted any of the controls on front so its like
I had it when new.

Robert

Are you sure that re-installing it, erases stuff ?

Normally, programs keep the datastore from before.

It's possible some settings might be lost, but that
should be minimal.

I would just reinstall it and go back to using it.

Paul


Success!!! The CD did have a repair option
so I choose that:

https://postimg.cc/0K0vhxv2

and its all back to normal. Now will take
the time and re-read your posts on YouTube-dl

Many thanks,
Robert

That sounds beyond me like the FFMPEG.
I do have Adobe Flash installed but I can't use that to create
movies only to watch them is that not correct?
Robert

I installed it, in Windows 10 in a VM, with a
Firefox 67 or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_DownloadHelper

It asks for a "Companion App".
This is what it expects you to download.

https://github.com/mi-g/vdhcoapp

So what happens is:

1) Download and install Video_DownloadHelper
2) Try to snag your first Youtube video.
3) It gets part way through and asks for Companion App.
And that file is not coming from the Mozilla site
as far as I know.
4) Now, when you download a video, it's going to save it,
put a watermark on top of it, and ask you to pay to
remove the watermark.

*******

I think the problem here, is John is using the old version
which is .xpi based (works in Firefox 52ESR perhaps).

The newer version is for WebExtensions on the newer browsers.
And it got broken into two or more pieces.

Just a guess.

Maybe John can elaborate on how well the .xpi version works.

Paul

Certainly the old version of DownloadHelper that works with my old
Firefox doesn't need the "companion app". It doesn't make this all that
obvious for the new user though; if, during the download of a video, you
select a format that is other than the format the video is in, _then_
you need the companion app., which is a video format converter. I can
imagine a converter putting a watermark in.

I don't _remember_ having to download any companion app when I installed
DownloadHelper in up-to-date Chrome, either, though. I just find it
rather clumsy to use in Chrome - my usual download there is to use
youtube-dl.

Actually, my usual process, for YouTube anyway, is to look at it in
Chrome, then copy the URL to Firefox and use DownloadHelper the my
old Firefox won't show the YouTube video (I sometimes hear the audio),
but DownloadHelper usually works and is easy. If _that_ fails, I use
youtube-dl.

I'm beginning to think the command line "youtube-dl.exe"
is our only hope.

The best software, is the software you write yourself.
Because then you have no one to blame but yourself.

Paul



Now that I have the Dell Imaging resolved back
to YouTube-dl.After re-reading is this a command prompt
program? I'm not sure if I want to venture into that.

Robert