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This isn't Windows, but a couple lines at the bottom here, show that "youtube-dl.exe" takes a few arguments on the command line, and does most of the work for you. [] I was trying to keep things simple for Robert: although youtube-dl _can_ take arguments/parameters, every time I've used it so far, using just the one - the URL - has been fine. (I've used it myself with the -U [update] parameter, and the -F [show available formats - though I'd have to look at my stored emails to remind myself how to select other than the "(best)" one].) Remember Robert said ffmpeg was too complex for him. (It is for me: I've saved a few specific examples and used those. Well, not too complex as such, just I don't currently feel like learning it.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Religion often uses faith as a blindfold, saying anyone who doesn't believe the same as us must be wiped out. It's not God saying that. It's people, which is so dangerous. - Jenny Agutter, RT 2015/1/17-23 I appreciate you trying to keep it simple. Robert |
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[all of preceding post snipped - do you think you could do that if you're not referring to it, as in this case?] I tried installing YouTube -dl but don't know if I have and if I have I don't know how to use it. To create different site pages than it already has. https://postimg.cc/Xpkt3xjS That's a page about Video DownloadHelper, not youtube-dl. https://postimg.cc/cg35zB9z As is that. https://postimg.cc/HrPZshFK And that. https://postimg.cc/Tp5qJ3sk And that. That says you have installed DownloadHelper. https://postimg.cc/9rywfRKj Another VDH one. https://postimg.cc/QKGxLSXK I think that's still part of VDH's website. When I open up 'all programs' I see nothing new has been added. Do I have to do more? Thoughts? Robert Video Downloadhelper is a browser extension; it appears as an extra button within the browser, not in "all programs". The button has three balls on it - initially shades of grey, but when you look at a webpage that it recognises as containing a video it can download, they become red blue and yellow. (In Chrome, it doesn't work with the YouTube site; since Google are behind both Chrome and YouTube, they made it a condition of their carrying it on the Chrome add-ons site that it wouldn't work on YouTube videos.) Since youtube-dl is a command line utility, it won't appear in "all programs"; you have to call it up the old-fashioned way. You'll know you have installed it correctly by the fact that, somewhere on your system, you will have a file called youtube-dl.exe, of size about 8M (the version I currently have, which is version 2019.07.14, is 8,049,717 bytes). As Paul says, I'd just put a copy of it into your download folder - say D:\temp or something like that. Then, when you find a webpage containing a video you want to download - I'll use https://public.oed.com/blog/in-conve...rris-part-one/ as an example: 1. Copy the URL (to the normal clipboard). 2. In explorer, go to D:\temp. 3. Open a command prompt there. [If you don't have "command prompt here" see below.] 4. type youtube-dl (that's "youtube-dl" followed by a space). 5. alt-space, E, P. This will paste in the URL, so the command window should show D:\tempyoutube-dl https://public.oed.com/blog/in-conve...rris-part-one/ for my example. 6. press Enter. Lots of lines of text will appear - ignore those; if it works, the last one will start with "[download]" followed by a percentage, which should rise to 100%. 7. Close the command window (unless you're going to be doing more). 8. In explorer, looking at your download folder, there should now be a video file that wasn't there before. Rename it if you wish, then move it to the folder you want it to be in. If you don't have "Open command window here" or similar when you right-click on a folder, then add it - either by the standalone (e. g. https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/det...mpt_here.html), or it is one of the settings in the Windows 7 tweaker (http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultima...a-tweak-ui-for -windows-7-vista) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one. -Cato the Elder, statesman, soldier, and writer (234-149 BCE) I need to re-read this, when you say copy normal do you mean right clicking? Also is D:\ in Explorer the same as C:\ in Firefox ? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
Now that I have the Dell Imaging resolved back to YouTube-dl.After re-reading is this a command prompt program? I'm not sure if I want to venture into that. Robert Try it out. See if it works. If the executable program is in your Downloads folder, you could use the program like this. cd %userprofile%\Downloads youtube-dl.exe https://www.youtube.com/abcd1234 Do that and see what it does with some valid link you want to extract. The Youtube link in that example is not valid and is just a place-holder for where the real link goes. Paul |
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Robert in CA wrote:
This isn't Windows, but a couple lines at the bottom here, show that "youtube-dl.exe" takes a few arguments on the command line, and does most of the work for you. [] I was trying to keep things simple for Robert: although youtube-dl _can_ take arguments/parameters, every time I've used it so far, using just the one - the URL - has been fine. (I've used it myself with the -U [update] parameter, and the -F [show available formats - though I'd have to look at my stored emails to remind myself how to select other than the "(best)" one].) Remember Robert said ffmpeg was too complex for him. (It is for me: I've saved a few specific examples and used those. Well, not too complex as such, just I don't currently feel like learning it.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Religion often uses faith as a blindfold, saying anyone who doesn't believe the same as us must be wiped out. It's not God saying that. It's people, which is so dangerous. - Jenny Agutter, RT 2015/1/17-23 I appreciate you trying to keep it simple. Robert When doing it that way youtube-dl.exe https://www.youtube.com/abcd1234 the format could be a "strange" format. To make sure you can play such content, try the resulting downloaded videos in VLC program. It uses FFMPEG to read the movies, but without you having to tell it what to do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLC_media_player https://www.videolan.org/ Some other movie players may not support all the formats (like tools that Microsoft sometimes writes), but VLC should be pretty good at it. HTH, Paul |
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writes: Robert in CA wrote: Now that I have the Dell Imaging resolved back to YouTube-dl.After re-reading is this a command prompt program? I'm not sure if I want to venture into that. Robert Try it out. See if it works. If the executable Seconded. It's a lot simpler to use than ffmpeg; despite what Paul says in another post, just giving it the URL (address) of the video-containing web-page mostly works for me. (What do you use to view video files of the various formats? I use VLC [the traffic cone] and it seems to play most things.) program is in your Downloads folder, you could use the program like this. cd %userprofile%\Downloads youtube-dl.exe https://www.youtube.com/abcd1234 Do that and see what it does with some valid link you want to extract. The Youtube link in that example is not valid and is just a place-holder for where the real link goes. Paul As I mentioned earlier, alt-space E P will paste the URL into the command window, provided you've copied it of course. And you don't need the ".exe" - just "youtube-dl " followed by the URL (the http bit) will work fine. (The space _is_ needed though.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "I'm a paranoid agnostic. I doubt the existence of God, but I'm sure there is some force, somewhere, working against me." - Marc Maron |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes: Robert in CA wrote: Now that I have the Dell Imaging resolved back to YouTube-dl.After re-reading is this a command prompt program? I'm not sure if I want to venture into that. Robert Try it out. See if it works. If the executable Seconded. It's a lot simpler to use than ffmpeg; despite what Paul says in another post, just giving it the URL (address) of the video-containing web-page mostly works for me. (What do you use to view video files of the various formats? I use VLC [the traffic cone] and it seems to play most things.) program is in your Downloads folder, you could use the program like this. cd %userprofile%\Downloads youtube-dl.exe https://www.youtube.com/abcd1234 Do that and see what it does with some valid link you want to extract. The Youtube link in that example is not valid and is just a place-holder for where the real link goes. Paul As I mentioned earlier, alt-space E P will paste the URL into the command window, provided you've copied it of course. And you don't need the ".exe" - just "youtube-dl " followed by the URL (the http bit) will work fine. (The space _is_ needed though.) I write them up this way, so there is no ambiguity about which file is involved. If a person cannot see the .exe , it means they haven't been sent off to the Folder Options, to turn on file extension viewing. It means they're missing golden opportunities to improve the precision of their folder viewing. Viewing and reviewing extensions is all part of "Safe Hex". Bolting the exe on like that, is part of a package deal. It's got nothing to do with "what is the most efficient, least characters to type" answer. Paul |
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Robert in CA writes: [] I need to re-read this, when you say copy normal do you mean right clicking? Also is D:\ in Explorer the same as C:\ in Firefox ? Robert (That's weird! When I read your post, I see it as two sixty-something character lines, the first one ending with the word "right". When I clicked Followup, something - not me, though possibly my software - has turned it into the three short lines above! Never mind.) When I said "Copy the URL (to the normal clipboard)", I just meant copy the URL - the http://... or https://... bit - from the address bar of your browser, as if you were going to paste it somewhere. I think in both my browsers, just right-clicking in it will give a menu including Copy. When I said D:\temp, that was just an example of what you might use as your download directory (folder); mine is D:\MOVIES\X\!pending . C:, D:, E:, and so on just refer to the partitions and drives on your computer; if you haven't divided your disc from the default, you will only have C: on your hard disc, and D: will be your CD/DVD drive. (Not IMO a good thing, but let's get youtube-dl working first.) In one of Paul's posts, he suggests that %userprofile%\Downloads will get you where you want to be; I was just trying to avoid typing such a long string, hence my tips on how to ensure you have "command prompt here" in your explorer right-click menu. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "I'm a paranoid agnostic. I doubt the existence of God, but I'm sure there is some force, somewhere, working against me." - Marc Maron |
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In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] As I mentioned earlier, alt-space E P will paste the URL into the command window, provided you've copied it of course. And you don't need the ".exe" - just "youtube-dl " followed by the URL (the http bit) will work fine. (The space _is_ needed though.) I write them up this way, so there is no ambiguity about which file is involved. There isn't, when calling up a .exe (-: If a person cannot see the .exe , it means they haven't been sent off to the Folder Options, to turn on file extension viewing. It means they're missing golden opportunities to improve the precision of their folder viewing. Viewing and reviewing extensions is all part of "Safe Hex". I totally agree, and continue to be surprised, or at least depressed, that Microsoft continued to make "hide extensions" the default setting, for all Windows versions after the malware writers started to use the ".txt.exe" mislead (which was well before XP). However, there's no need to _type_ the ".exe" when calling up a .exe file in the command window ... Bolting the exe on like that, is part of a package deal. It's got nothing to do with "what is the most efficient, least characters to type" answer. .... and minimising the amount of typing required is something I do whenever trying to gently introduce people to the command line. Paul [Some of Robert's posts have made me wonder if he's AH, but I don't _think_ so.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Of course some of it [television] is bad. But some of everything is bad - books, music, family ... - Melvyn Bragg, RT 2017/7/1-7 |
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On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 10:56:27 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: Now that I have the Dell Imaging resolved back to YouTube-dl.After re-reading is this a command prompt program? I'm not sure if I want to venture into that. Robert Try it out. See if it works. If the executable program is in your Downloads folder, you could use the program like this. cd %userprofile%\Downloads youtube-dl.exe https://www.youtube.com/abcd1234 Do that and see what it does with some valid link you want to extract. The Youtube link in that example is not valid and is just a place-holder for where the real link goes. Paul I think I'll pass on this. Will let you know when the cable arrives and everything is connected. Thanks anyways,. Robert |
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On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: [] Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something? Thanks, Robert There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known - http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate. Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista, or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the "up"dates, for example.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells Above the download button it says that Classic Shell is no longer in active development but I assume I could still use it? Robert For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell "Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009. Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017. As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub (https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development. As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell and can be found he https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu " So that link gets me source code. Whereas this link finds the executable needed. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance and not from github. Virustotal scan is clean. https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection It looks like this. https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif Paul I thought of something,. I have formatted backup HD's for the 8500 and the 780 with Win 7 Pro so I should update them with the Win10 key also, correct? I suppose there's no way we could do this via USB connection? So I would have to remove the HD and replace it with the backup HD and run the Rescue CD program and download the Win10 installation key. Is that correct? Its all a bit fuzzy even though I just did it.I have to go back and re-read your instructions and save them. Thoughts/Suggestions Robert |
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On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 8:24:39 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: [] Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something? Thanks, Robert There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known - http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate. Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista, or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the "up"dates, for example.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells Above the download button it says that Classic Shell is no longer in active development but I assume I could still use it? Robert For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell "Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009. Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017. As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub (https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development. As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell and can be found he https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu " So that link gets me source code. Whereas this link finds the executable needed. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance and not from github. Virustotal scan is clean. https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection It looks like this. https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif Paul I thought of something,. I have formatted backup HD's for the 8500 and the 780 with Win 7 Pro so I should update them with the Win10 key also, correct? I suppose there's no way we could do this via USB connection? So I would have to remove the HD and replace it with the backup HD and run the Rescue CD program and download the Win10 installation key. Is that correct? Its all a bit fuzzy even though I just did it.I have to go back and re-read your instructions and save them. Thoughts/Suggestions Robert On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 8:24:39 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote: On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: [] Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something? Thanks, Robert There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known - http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate. Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista, or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the "up"dates, for example.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells Above the download button it says that Classic Shell is no longer in active development but I assume I could still use it? Robert For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell "Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009. Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017. As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub (https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development. As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell and can be found he https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu " So that link gets me source code. Whereas this link finds the executable needed. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance and not from github. Virustotal scan is clean. https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection It looks like this. https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif Paul I thought of something,. I have formatted backup HD's for the 8500 and the 780 with Win 7 Pro so I should update them with the Win10 key also, correct? I suppose there's no way we could do this via USB connection? So I would have to remove the HD and replace it with the backup HD and run the Rescue CD program and download the Win10 installation key. Is that correct? Its all a bit fuzzy even though I just did it.I have to go back and re-read your instructions and save them. Thoughts/Suggestions Robert I've looked everywhere but can't find your link for installation of Win10, could you please provide that for me again with instructions? Thanks, Robert |
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I've looked everywhere but can't find your link for installation of Win10, could you please provide that for me again with instructions? Thanks, Robert You've done the Digital Entitlement for both machines. You currently have Windows 10 on a spare drive in the 780. Nothing needs to be done now, except some sort of "final" Windows 10 installation. And deciding exactly how that should work. This would be Win10-over-Win7 or Win10-over-Win10, keeping personal files and programs. It can be used to obtain a Digital Entitlement on the terms of the Win7SP1 free upgrade. It is called, variously, a "Repair install" or an "Upgrade install". You can only this, while the "origin" OS is still runnable. You can't do this to an OS that is damaged and won't boot. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...e-upgrade.html +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs | +-----+------------------------------------+ Now, if you happen to clone a copy of Win7, such that there are two of them, you can do this. Macrium can be used to backup, then drag-and-drop restore, a second Win7 as seen here. Using the Macrium Emergency boot repair, causes both to be bootable from a menu. After you've prepared the setup of the two OSes, you can install Win10 on the second one. set this one as Default boot... +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs | +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ ******* Clean Installs involve booting the DVD, rather than just running Setup.exe off of one. A Clean Install might be used if you want to put only Windows 10 on a disk, or you want to put Windows 10 and Windows 7 side by side. Because it is a Clean Install, it does not keep your personal files or program structure, and has nothing in it when you first see the resulting screen. This does not particularly fit your lifestyle (i.e. it would annoy you). You normally expect a browser with bookmarks waiting for you, and this doesn't do it, and means more work. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html +-----+ | MBR | becomes... +-----+ +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing | +-----+------------------------------------+ or if you start with Win7, and define a new partition next to Win7 in the Custom menu, then... +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing | +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ Those are some examples. They lack details, such as how many partitions are available and so on. Note that the second OS can be installed in an Extended/Logical, so it's not a problem to package up an install when needed. MSDOS partitioned drives are almost as flexible as GPT partitioned drives. Paul |
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On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 9:53:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: I've looked everywhere but can't find your link for installation of Win10, could you please provide that for me again with instructions? Thanks, Robert You've done the Digital Entitlement for both machines. You currently have Windows 10 on a spare drive in the 780. Nothing needs to be done now, except some sort of "final" Windows 10 installation. And deciding exactly how that should work. This would be Win10-over-Win7 or Win10-over-Win10, keeping personal files and programs. It can be used to obtain a Digital Entitlement on the terms of the Win7SP1 free upgrade. It is called, variously, a "Repair install" or an "Upgrade install". You can only this, while the "origin" OS is still runnable. You can't do this to an OS that is damaged and won't boot. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...e-upgrade.html +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs | +-----+------------------------------------+ Now, if you happen to clone a copy of Win7, such that there are two of them, you can do this. Macrium can be used to backup, then drag-and-drop restore, a second Win7 as seen here. Using the Macrium Emergency boot repair, causes both to be bootable from a menu. After you've prepared the setup of the two OSes, you can install Win10 on the second one. set this one as Default boot... +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs | +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ ******* Clean Installs involve booting the DVD, rather than just running Setup.exe off of one. A Clean Install might be used if you want to put only Windows 10 on a disk, or you want to put Windows 10 and Windows 7 side by side. Because it is a Clean Install, it does not keep your personal files or program structure, and has nothing in it when you first see the resulting screen. This does not particularly fit your lifestyle (i.e. it would annoy you). You normally expect a browser with bookmarks waiting for you, and this doesn't do it, and means more work. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html +-----+ | MBR | becomes... +-----+ +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing | +-----+------------------------------------+ or if you start with Win7, and define a new partition next to Win7 in the Custom menu, then... +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing | +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ Those are some examples. They lack details, such as how many partitions are available and so on. Note that the second OS can be installed in an Extended/Logical, so it's not a problem to package up an install when needed. MSDOS partitioned drives are almost as flexible as GPT partitioned drives. Paul From the sound of it it sounds like I need another HD to do this so as not to mess up my backup HD's? To clone Win 7 Pro and use it during the process to get the Win 10 key. I still need the download link and how do I save all my folder files since you say they will be erased with a clean install? They weren't erased when we got the key for the 8500 and 780? Hmmm let me think again.. If I needed to replace either HD couldn't I use my present spare HD's that's already formatted for Win 7 Pro and then use a Mrimg with Win 10 to upgrade it that way? Would that work? Thoughts/ Suggestions Robert |
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Win7 support:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 9:53:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: I've looked everywhere but can't find your link for installation of Win10, could you please provide that for me again with instructions? Thanks, Robert You've done the Digital Entitlement for both machines. You currently have Windows 10 on a spare drive in the 780. Nothing needs to be done now, except some sort of "final" Windows 10 installation. And deciding exactly how that should work. This would be Win10-over-Win7 or Win10-over-Win10, keeping personal files and programs. It can be used to obtain a Digital Entitlement on the terms of the Win7SP1 free upgrade. It is called, variously, a "Repair install" or an "Upgrade install". You can only this, while the "origin" OS is still runnable. You can't do this to an OS that is damaged and won't boot. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...e-upgrade.html +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs | +-----+------------------------------------+ Now, if you happen to clone a copy of Win7, such that there are two of them, you can do this. Macrium can be used to backup, then drag-and-drop restore, a second Win7 as seen here. Using the Macrium Emergency boot repair, causes both to be bootable from a menu. After you've prepared the setup of the two OSes, you can install Win10 on the second one. set this one as Default boot... +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs | +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ ******* Clean Installs involve booting the DVD, rather than just running Setup.exe off of one. A Clean Install might be used if you want to put only Windows 10 on a disk, or you want to put Windows 10 and Windows 7 side by side. Because it is a Clean Install, it does not keep your personal files or program structure, and has nothing in it when you first see the resulting screen. This does not particularly fit your lifestyle (i.e. it would annoy you). You normally expect a browser with bookmarks waiting for you, and this doesn't do it, and means more work. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html +-----+ | MBR | becomes... +-----+ +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing | +-----+------------------------------------+ or if you start with Win7, and define a new partition next to Win7 in the Custom menu, then... +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing | +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ Those are some examples. They lack details, such as how many partitions are available and so on. Note that the second OS can be installed in an Extended/Logical, so it's not a problem to package up an install when needed. MSDOS partitioned drives are almost as flexible as GPT partitioned drives. Paul From the sound of it it sounds like I need another HD to do this so as not to mess up my backup HD's? To clone Win 7 Pro and use it during the process to get the Win 10 key. I still need the download link and how do I save all my folder files since you say they will be erased with a clean install? They weren't erased when we got the key for the 8500 and 780? Hmmm let me think again.. If I needed to replace either HD couldn't I use my present spare HD's that's already formatted for Win 7 Pro and then use a Mrimg with Win 10 to upgrade it that way? Would that work? Thoughts/ Suggestions Robert You already have the Digital Entitlement, as you did one Windows 10 install (using the Spare drive) on the 8500 and the 780. You checked for "Activated" in the System control panel, so both have their license. Your backup drives have Win7 on them. You could run Setup.exe on the DVD, while that copy of Windows 7 is booted, and the OS would be changed to Windows 10. But if you do that, you'll be running all the time, on your "backup" drive. The OS on the backup drive is mainly for emergencies, not a daily driver. It's to ensure you have something to use, if the primary drive is not usable for some reason. Paul |
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Win7 support:
On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 11:18:39 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 9:53:44 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: I've looked everywhere but can't find your link for installation of Win10, could you please provide that for me again with instructions? Thanks, Robert You've done the Digital Entitlement for both machines. You currently have Windows 10 on a spare drive in the 780. Nothing needs to be done now, except some sort of "final" Windows 10 installation. And deciding exactly how that should work. This would be Win10-over-Win7 or Win10-over-Win10, keeping personal files and programs. It can be used to obtain a Digital Entitlement on the terms of the Win7SP1 free upgrade. It is called, variously, a "Repair install" or an "Upgrade install". You can only this, while the "origin" OS is still runnable. You can't do this to an OS that is damaged and won't boot. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...e-upgrade.html +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs | +-----+------------------------------------+ Now, if you happen to clone a copy of Win7, such that there are two of them, you can do this. Macrium can be used to backup, then drag-and-drop restore, a second Win7 as seen here. Using the Macrium Emergency boot repair, causes both to be bootable from a menu. After you've prepared the setup of the two OSes, you can install Win10 on the second one. set this one as Default boot... +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 w. Personal Files & Programs | +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ ******* Clean Installs involve booting the DVD, rather than just running Setup.exe off of one. A Clean Install might be used if you want to put only Windows 10 on a disk, or you want to put Windows 10 and Windows 7 side by side. Because it is a Clean Install, it does not keep your personal files or program structure, and has nothing in it when you first see the resulting screen. This does not particularly fit your lifestyle (i.e. it would annoy you). You normally expect a browser with bookmarks waiting for you, and this doesn't do it, and means more work. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html +-----+ | MBR | becomes... +-----+ +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing | +-----+------------------------------------+ or if you start with Win7, and define a new partition next to Win7 in the Custom menu, then... +-----+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | becomes... +-----+------------------------------------+ +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | MBR | Win7 w. Personal Files & Programs | Win10 Brand New w. Nothing | +-----+------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ Those are some examples. They lack details, such as how many partitions are available and so on. Note that the second OS can be installed in an Extended/Logical, so it's not a problem to package up an install when needed. MSDOS partitioned drives are almost as flexible as GPT partitioned drives. Paul From the sound of it it sounds like I need another HD to do this so as not to mess up my backup HD's? To clone Win 7 Pro and use it during the process to get the Win 10 key. I still need the download link and how do I save all my folder files since you say they will be erased with a clean install? They weren't erased when we got the key for the 8500 and 780? Hmmm let me think again.. If I needed to replace either HD couldn't I use my present spare HD's that's already formatted for Win 7 Pro and then use a Mrimg with Win 10 to upgrade it that way? Would that work? Thoughts/ Suggestions Robert You already have the Digital Entitlement, as you did one Windows 10 install (using the Spare drive) on the 8500 and the 780. You checked for "Activated" in the System control panel, so both have their license. Your backup drives have Win7 on them. You could run Setup.exe on the DVD, while that copy of Windows 7 is booted, and the OS would be changed to Windows 10. But if you do that, you'll be running all the time, on your "backup" drive. The OS on the backup drive is mainly for emergencies, not a daily driver. It's to ensure you have something to use, if the primary drive is not usable for some reason. Paul Ok,, let me see if I understand.. it's the 8500 that has the Digital Entitlement not the actual HD so I can still use the backup HD with Win 7 and it would still have the Win 10 Digital Entitlement option because we installed it on the 8500? Is that correct? Therefore we don't need to do anything. I ordered the data cable and will hook the Win10 HD up in the 780 and will send you pics from it. Robert |
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