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Old September 8th 13, 03:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Default Downgrading from Win 8

I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer
and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former--
and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live
that long, upgrading to Win 7.
Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question:
My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers
(right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk.
But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS --
how then do I get them on the machine?
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Old September 8th 13, 03:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Paul
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wrote:
I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer
and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former--
and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live
that long, upgrading to Win 7.
Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question:
My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers
(right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk.
But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS --
how then do I get them on the machine?


You can "slipstreeam" drivers into an installer DVD.
Then, burn a new DVD. This site illustrates a tool with
that capability. Note that, as new OSes come out,
you may need to find another software product, to do
the job. The developers who do stuff like this, they
eventually tire of putting a lot of work into this
stuff for free. And then someone else comes along to
pick up the slack.

http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html

http://www.nliteos.com/guide/pictures/a6.jpg

Only drivers in a certain format, can be integrated. Not
all driver package formats are acceptable.

The advantage of integrating drivers, is to make a custom
reinstallation disc, for a particular machine.

*******

You install drivers, after the base OS is installed.

And, you might ask, how is that possible ?

It's possible, because:

1) Base OS has standard drivers for hard disk drives.
And that support gets better, from OS to OS.
Windows 7 would have IDE, AHCI, and RAID (limited brands).
No need to "F6 in a driver" as a result.

2) Video driver fallback. The base OS has a VESA driver. Video
cards contain a VESA BIOS. The declarations (plug and play), allow
the screen to be operated in a basic mode. The resolution is
typically lower than normal. While working in the low-resolution
screen, you can then start to install the video related drivers.
(DirectX, AGP driver, .NET 2.0 or higher for the control panel,
video card package).

Same thing happens, when you uninstall the video driver, using
Add/Remove. The screen needs something to work with, and goes
back to VESA mode and the fallback driver.

3) Mouse and keyboard follow standards. Such as HID and USB
standards. Driver is built into the OS.

So with some luck, enough basic drivers are already present,
you get a tiny screen to work in, and finish driver installation.

Dealing with a busted NIC can be a problem, especially
if you didn't "plan ahead" and put the drivers on a
CD or a USB stick. Usually, the NIC comes with support
back to the dawn of time, so of all the hardware types,
driver coverage is usually pretty good for NICs. Just
a matter of getting the files in the first place (from
Intel, Broadcom, Marvell, RealTek, VIA etc.)

Have fun,
Paul
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Old September 9th 13, 12:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Ken Blake wrote:

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:03:41 -0500, wrote:

I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer
and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former--
and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live
that long, upgrading to Win 7.
Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question:



I won't laugh, but you'd be making a bad mistake, as far as I'm
concerned.

My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers
(right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk.
But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS --
how then do I get them on the machine?



Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that
after installing the operating system.


I agree with the above. The reason being that the drivers won't or
are not available for modern hardware using winxp. I could be wrong
see link below.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/w...d-support-help

I also had a winxp compatible motherboard and if I tried to run modern
software on it using winxp. It did not perform very well. So I installed
win7 on it. And it was a vast improvement over winXP. Main area was
internet use.

If you want to go back to winxp the safest
way is to use virtualbox. As I think in your thread you started
about 'confusion' some did recommend you try virtualbox.

Owe and about your computer icon. If you look at the taskbar in the win8
desktop you should see a icon to the left that looks like a folder with a
half blue square in the bottom middle of it. left click on it and you will
see that it functions the same way the 'my computer' icon does in winxp.
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Old September 9th 13, 03:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:40:01 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:03:41 -0500, wrote:

I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer
and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former--
and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live
that long, upgrading to Win 7.
Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question:



I won't laugh, but you'd be making a bad mistake, as far as I'm
concerned.


Well, I know there are many, maybe most, who agree with you.
But, Win 8 to me is no longer "personal computing" and in fact
is the final end of such.
But, I'm nearly 79 years old and probably won't last longer
than WinXP followed my Win7.
I've been doing computers since the very begining --
my first was before floppy disks were invented and before
the word "software" was coined.
So I want access to the computer and won't change because
Microsoft says I should!

My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers
(right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk.
But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS --
how then do I get them on the machine?



Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that
after installing the operating system.

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Old September 9th 13, 03:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Default Downgrading from Win 8

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:40:01 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:



My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers
(right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk.
But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS --
how then do I get them on the machine?



Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that
after installing the operating system.


Isn't there more to installation than sinply copying? Copy to where
--just anywhere --- ? I'm not convinced. And if this failed I have
nothing!
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Old September 9th 13, 03:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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posted this via
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:40:01 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:



My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers
(right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk.
But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS --
how then do I get them on the machine?



Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that
after installing the operating system.


Isn't there more to installation than sinply copying? Copy to where
--just anywhere --- ? I'm not convinced. And if this failed I have
nothing!


Most drivers, you simply copy the exe to your hard-drive... desktop is
fine... sometimes some folks put them on the "C:\" drive; but that may send
your 3rd-party firewalls/AVs into tizzy-fits...

Once you've copied them, you double-click and generally it will give you an
'extraction dialog' which generally you can just go with the defaults...
Presuming based on a deduction that if you've made any power-user directory
or partition exeptions, you wouldn't be seeking assistance on this
particular issue.

Hang in there on Windows 8! Like all things, you'll get used to it and
adapt to it. It'll still be " s - t - 0 - 0 - p - i - d " ; but, you will
get used to it - and be up with the times as a bonus for no extra charge.

HTH.

--

I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and ,
I thought of running for mayor of NYC...
but s'exting pictures of my penis back
to myself suddenly makes me a "narcisisst"?

Since when did THAT become a "bad thing"?
Oh well, "Sticks and stones..."
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Old September 9th 13, 04:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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wrote in message
...

Well, I know there are many, maybe most, who agree with you.
But, Win 8 to me is no longer "personal computing" and in fact
is the final end of such.
But, I'm nearly 79 years old and probably won't last longer
than WinXP followed my Win7.


Install Classic Shell (or similar) and Win8 is nearly identical to Win7.

I've been doing computers since the very begining --
my first was before floppy disks were invented and before
the word "software" was coined.
So I want access to the computer and won't change because
Microsoft says I should!


But access what? I have access to everything on my system. But then again I
don't store non-static items in places I shouldn't (like some people store
data in the same folder the program that uses said data under \Program Files
which is where data should never be stored).



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Old September 9th 13, 04:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 09 Sep 2013 14:38:04 GMT, "Bucky \"Optimist\" Breeder"
wrote:

posted this via
:

On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:40:01 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:



My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers
(right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk.
But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS --
how then do I get them on the machine?


Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that
after installing the operating system.


Isn't there more to installation than sinply copying? Copy to where
--just anywhere --- ? I'm not convinced. And if this failed I have
nothing!


Most drivers, you simply copy the exe to your hard-drive... desktop is
fine... sometimes some folks put them on the "C:\" drive; but that may send
your 3rd-party firewalls/AVs into tizzy-fits...

Once you've copied them, you double-click and generally it will give you an
'extraction dialog' which generally you can just go with the defaults...
Presuming based on a deduction that if you've made any power-user directory
or partition exeptions, you wouldn't be seeking assistance on this
particular issue.

Hang in there on Windows 8! Like all things, you'll get used to it and
adapt to it. It'll still be " s - t - 0 - 0 - p - i - d " ; but, you will
get used to it - and be up with the times as a bonus for no extra charge.

HTH.

Well, I probably won't live that long --but I'll try that
after XP stops upgrades and then Win 7 stops upgrades.
Being "up with the times" is not high on my list --- I don't even
own anything with a touch screen and, so fa,r haven't found any reason
to do so. What is the expression ? Ah, --- "he's old and set in his
ways". :-)
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Old September 9th 13, 04:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:13:33 -0400, "Seth"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .

Well, I know there are many, maybe most, who agree with you.
But, Win 8 to me is no longer "personal computing" and in fact
is the final end of such.
But, I'm nearly 79 years old and probably won't last longer
than WinXP followed my Win7.


Install Classic Shell (or similar) and Win8 is nearly identical to Win7.


Well, I did install Classic Shell. And "nearly" subjective.
I didn't find it so --- but then I haven't learned Win 7 well yet
either --- just bought a new laptop with 7 installed so I'll start

I've been doing computers since the very begining --
my first was before floppy disks were invented and before
the word "software" was coined.
So I want access to the computer and won't change because
Microsoft says I should!


But access what? I have access to everything on my system. But then again I
don't store non-static items in places I shouldn't (like some people store
data in the same folder the program that uses said data under \Program Files
which is where data should never be stored).


 




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