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I am soon going to give up trying to tell him things like this. I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over. He either doesn't read carefully what we write or else he is just .... (I'm biting my tongue here). LOL! On 9/11/2013 05:26, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:00:11 -0600, Ken1943 wrote: |
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:46:20 -0400, Juan Wei
wrote: has written on 9/10/2013 2:45 PM: Well, If I live beyond the upgrading period for Win7 (XP Pro is still a year from doing so!) then I guess I'll just have to give up personal computing or then worry about learning Win 8 --lots of experienced users around by then :-) You're missing the point. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO "LEARN WINDOWS 8"!! You simply make it look and work like Windows 7 and you'll be back in comfortable territory. well, I'm just now trying to learn Win 7 -- new computer--- using XP Pro mostly |
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:26:22 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:00:11 -0600, Ken1943 wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:46:20 -0400, Juan Wei wrote: has written on 9/10/2013 2:45 PM: Well, If I live beyond the upgrading period for Win7 (XP Pro is still a year from doing so!) then I guess I'll just have to give up personal computing or then worry about learning Win 8 --lots of experienced users around by then :-) You're missing the point. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO "LEARN WINDOWS 8"!! You simply make it look and work like Windows 7 and you'll be back in comfortable territory. +1 I am soon going to give up trying to tell him things like this. I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over. He either doesn't read carefully what we write or else he is just .... (I'm biting my tongue here). I'm just now trying to learn Win 7 too. But, I have a suggestion -- just stop reading anything I post. Suppose that hadn't occured to you ?? |
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:09:03 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote: "Gene Wirchenko" wrote in message On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:31:56 -0500, wrote: [snip] Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't show on the first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee 1970's) with only input/output was via a cassette tape recorder. Keyboard and screen are I/O, too. The KB certainly was, not so sure if the monitor qualifies. It was "memory mapped"; i.e., 1024 KB of RAM were reserved and anything put there was displayed on the monitor. Actually, the keyboard was memory-mapped, too. Memory-mapped I/O is still I/O. The term "memory-mapped I/O" has been in use for many years. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:49:10 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:07:23 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:13:35 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:26:22 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:00:11 -0600, Ken1943 wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:46:20 -0400, Juan Wei wrote: has written on 9/10/2013 2:45 PM: Well, If I live beyond the upgrading period for Win7 (XP Pro is still a year from doing so!) then I guess I'll just have to give up personal computing or then worry about learning Win 8 --lots of experienced users around by then :-) You're missing the point. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO "LEARN WINDOWS 8"!! You simply make it look and work like Windows 7 and you'll be back in comfortable territory. +1 I am soon going to give up trying to tell him things like this. I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over. He either doesn't read carefully what we write or else he is just .... (I'm biting my tongue here). I'm just now trying to learn Win 7 too. But, I have a suggestion -- just stop reading anything I post. Suppose that hadn't occured to you ?? Hadn't occurred to me? I had you killfiled, but then relented and un-killfiled you. The number of replies quoting your messages is so great that I see almost all your outrageous messages regardless of whether you are killfiled or not. Obviously you're frustrated, but I got a good hearty laugh out of your remark. Let me make it clear: a sympathetic laugh. Thanks. Yes, it's frustrating to try to help someone, and have him totally ignore everything I say (and everything everybody else says too). I don't mind clarifying a point if I didn't say it clearly enough the first time, but I don't want to have the say the same thing over and over again because he simply pays no attention to it. We've been treating him as an ignorant newbie who needs help, but perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. -- Ken Blake |
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Ken Blake has written on 9/11/2013 3:44 PM:
Thanks. Yes, it's frustrating to try to help someone, and have him totally ignore everything I say (and everything everybody else says too). I don't mind clarifying a point if I didn't say it clearly enough the first time, but I don't want to have the say the same thing over and over again because he simply pays no attention to it. We've been treating him as an ignorant newbie who needs help, but perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. If so, he's rather a good one. I, for one, will stop responding to his posts. |
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Hi, Ken.
...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie? I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the sidelines ever since. :( RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010) Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro "Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:49:10 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:07:23 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:13:35 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:26:22 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:00:11 -0600, Ken1943 wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:46:20 -0400, Juan Wei wrote: has written on 9/10/2013 2:45 PM: Well, If I live beyond the upgrading period for Win7 (XP Pro is still a year from doing so!) then I guess I'll just have to give up personal computing or then worry about learning Win 8 --lots of experienced users around by then :-) You're missing the point. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO "LEARN WINDOWS 8"!! You simply make it look and work like Windows 7 and you'll be back in comfortable territory. +1 I am soon going to give up trying to tell him things like this. I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over. He either doesn't read carefully what we write or else he is just .... (I'm biting my tongue here). I'm just now trying to learn Win 7 too. But, I have a suggestion -- just stop reading anything I post. Suppose that hadn't occured to you ?? Hadn't occurred to me? I had you killfiled, but then relented and un-killfiled you. The number of replies quoting your messages is so great that I see almost all your outrageous messages regardless of whether you are killfiled or not. Obviously you're frustrated, but I got a good hearty laugh out of your remark. Let me make it clear: a sympathetic laugh. Thanks. Yes, it's frustrating to try to help someone, and have him totally ignore everything I say (and everything everybody else says too). I don't mind clarifying a point if I didn't say it clearly enough the first time, but I don't want to have the say the same thing over and over again because he simply pays no attention to it. We've been treating him as an ignorant newbie who needs help, but perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. -- Ken Blake |
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote: Hi, Ken. ...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie? I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.) I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the sidelines ever since. :( That's what I should have done. -- Ken Blake |
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On 9/11/2013 2:36 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:09:03 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote: "Gene Wirchenko" wrote in message On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:31:56 -0500, wrote: [snip] Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't show on the first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee 1970's) with only input/output was via a cassette tape recorder. Keyboard and screen are I/O, too. The KB certainly was, not so sure if the monitor qualifies. It was "memory mapped"; i.e., 1024 KB of RAM were reserved and anything put there was displayed on the monitor. Actually, the keyboard was memory-mapped, too. Memory-mapped I/O is still I/O. The term "memory-mapped I/O" has been in use for many years. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Floppys were around, starting with a large size 8"? that later was downsized to the ones RS, Apple, and others used. Think PDP 8, SWTPC, 8080, and so forth. (I still miss the toggle switches) |
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Well, I'm sorry to take away all the fun about this issue --- but,
according to a "technician" in India or whereever -- if she really ever understood my questions -- it really took a while --- like enduring 6 disconnects and an hour of trying to explain what I needed (i.e. HP Win 7, 64 bit drivers for the machine we bought for my wife , she told me it was impossible for me to downgrade because no such drivers were available for this machine. So it's back to the madness of trying to learn Win 7 and Win 8 at the same time. wrote in message ... I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former-- and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live that long, upgrading to Win 7. Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question: My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? |
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charlie wrote:
On 9/11/2013 2:36 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:09:03 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote: "Gene Wirchenko" wrote in message On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:31:56 -0500, wrote: [snip] Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't show on the first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee 1970's) with only input/output was via a cassette tape recorder. Keyboard and screen are I/O, too. The KB certainly was, not so sure if the monitor qualifies. It was "memory mapped"; i.e., 1024 KB of RAM were reserved and anything put there was displayed on the monitor. Actually, the keyboard was memory-mapped, too. Memory-mapped I/O is still I/O. The term "memory-mapped I/O" has been in use for many years. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Floppys were around, starting with a large size 8"? that later was downsized to the ones RS, Apple, and others used. Think PDP 8, SWTPC, 8080, and so forth. (I still miss the toggle switches) We put dual 8" floppies on a computer we built at work. No hard drive in the beast, just floppies. But a *huge* amount of memory, at 256KB or so :-) The next generation, got storage like ST506, and that meant we could change to just one 8" floppy. The first generation of 8" floppies, had a strong software component. The driver was written in assembler, and some time constants were hand-tuned in assembler loops. If we shipped a faster processor, the developer who wrote the code, had to tune it again :-) Years later, the final 8" floppy design shipped, was the "deluxe" version. The floppy was connected to something that was close to being a SCSI bus. And storage operations were virtually completely independent of the rest of the box. You no longer had to worry about interfering with floppy operations, and could continue working while files were written to it. By that time, our box was probably unique in having a 8" floppy drive. The drive was arranged in such a way, that it could be flipped out of the way, so you couldn't see it. So if having a floppy drive embarrassed you, just close the door on the computer and it was hidden. I had a collection of around 110 of the 8" floppies in my desk drawer. Just to show how much storage I needed for day to day work. I also stocked a couple floppy drive cleaning kits, with the "fake" white fiber cleaning floppy, and the little packets of alcohol you wet them with. Occasionally, the drive needed a cleaning. One funny aspect of the 8 inch floppy, is the drive motor was AC powered. It meant the computer needed AC wiring inside the chassis. In the picture here, the AC powered motor is the one in the lower left corner. It's possible the final version we shipped, was DC powered like most other conventional computer storage now. As the final 8" floppy drive was a bit thinner than the originals (Shugart). I think the motors started to spin, as soon as the AC was turned on. The motor never stopped. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ive_8_inch.jpg The 8" floppy was a PITA, because they needed to be calibrated. We tuned all our computers in the department, to a single "golden" floppy. All the computers had to be able to read that floppy, before being issued to users. Which is no way to run a peripheral... It also meant, if carrying data between home and work, you formatted the floppy on the work machine, to guarantee that files written by the home machine, would be readable at work. Good times. Paul |
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