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Old January 13th 14, 09:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Nil wrote, On 1/13/2014 2:06 PM:
On 13 Jan 2014, Paul wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

To search the contents of the .dbx files, it's probably
best to import them into a more modern email. Preferably one,
for which a search filter exists on Windows 8. You would then
arrange the old mail folders, as separate folders. And then,
the federated search could pick up the archived folders like
the rest of the new ones.


Thunderbird will do that.

I just went through a similar exercise a couple of days ago. I was
setting up a Windows 8 computer for a friend whose XP computer died. I
pointed Thunderbird to the old .dbx files, and it imported them
gracefully. I was even offered the choice to have Windows search
catalog the newly made Thunderbird folders.

There's a Thunderbird extension (ImportExportTools) that supposedly is
more flexible. I haven't tried it.


If the op exported the dbx files then Thunderbird wouldn't (nor could
it) be the vehicle used to Export OE's dbx files from OE's Message store.

- Import, yes. Export, No


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  #17  
Old January 13th 14, 10:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 1/13/2014 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2014 2:14 PM, BillW50 wrote:

But Outlook Express won't run on Windows 8, due to the non-monolithic
implementation.
It uses browser engine (IEHTML or similar), it uses COM or something.
It uses bits and pieces of things. When a new OS comes along, all they
have to do is remove some of those old interfaces... and you're screwed.

And "dragging over all the DLLs" won't work either. I rely on
the hacking community, and no one having done it (so far), as
the only vague proof.

If Outlook Express had been a single executable, with all the functions
contained inside it, it would have been so portable, it
"just would have worked". Microsoft doesn't make software that way.
Too "easy". Only their Sysinternals guy, knows how to write good
software :-)


All very true Paul. Good thing I plan to phase out my XPs by 2044.

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  #18  
Old January 14th 14, 12:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 13 Jan 2014, "...winston" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Nil wrote, On 1/13/2014 2:06 PM:
I just went through a similar exercise a couple of days ago. I
was setting up a Windows 8 computer for a friend whose XP
computer died. I pointed Thunderbird to the old .dbx files, and
it imported them gracefully. I was even offered the choice to
have Windows search catalog the newly made Thunderbird folders.

There's a Thunderbird extension (ImportExportTools) that
supposedly is more flexible. I haven't tried it.


If the op exported the dbx files then Thunderbird wouldn't (nor
could it) be the vehicle used to Export OE's dbx files from OE's
Message store.


Why not? Exporting the OE messages still leaves the dbx files intact.

- Import, yes. Export, No


Yeaaahhh... and? I wasn't talking about that scenario. But since you
bring it up, you can import OE messages into Thunderbird and then
export them to mbox format. I've seen utilities that can break an mbox
file down into separate .eml-like files, if that's whatever this
mysterious "different email program" needs to see.
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Old January 14th 14, 12:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Paul" wrote in message ...

On 1/13/2014 2:14 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/13/2014 1:06 PM, Nil wrote:
Thunderbird will do that.

I just went through a similar exercise a couple of days ago. I was
setting up a Windows 8 computer for a friend whose XP computer died. I
pointed Thunderbird to the old .dbx files, and it imported them
gracefully. I was even offered the choice to have Windows search
catalog the newly made Thunderbird folders.

There's a Thunderbird extension (ImportExportTools) that supposedly is
more flexible. I haven't tried it.


Thunderbird search is so dang slow, I hate it! Outlook Express is super
fast. As it was designed for 75 MHz Pentiums with 32 MB of RAM. And just
composing a post with TB is just so slow. I have to compose this in a
text editor or something first, as it would take much longer under TB.


But Outlook Express won't run on Windows 8, due to the non-monolithic
implementation.
It uses browser engine (IEHTML or similar), it uses COM or something.
It uses bits and pieces of things. When a new OS comes along, all they
have to do is remove some of those old interfaces... and you're screwed.

And "dragging over all the DLLs" won't work either. I rely on
the hacking community, and no one having done it (so far), as
the only vague proof.

If Outlook Express had been a single executable, with all the functions
contained inside it, it would have been so portable, it
"just would have worked". Microsoft doesn't make software that way.
Too "easy". Only their Sysinternals guy, knows how to write good software
:-)

Paul


The closest thing to Outlook Express nowadays is Windows Live Mail. It's
part of the Windows Live Essentials, along with a desktop version of
SkyDrive and definitely worth the download.
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  #20  
Old January 14th 14, 12:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 18:39:56 -0500, "Silver Slimer"
wrote:


The closest thing to Outlook Express nowadays is Windows Live Mail.



Yes, it's essentially nothing but the latest version of Outlook
Express, with a completely different name.


It's
part of the Windows Live Essentials, along with a desktop version of
SkyDrive and definitely worth the download.



But I completely disagree with that last phrase. As far as I'm
concerned, Windows Live Mail is the *worst* e-mail program/newsreader
I've ever seen.

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Old January 14th 14, 01:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 1/13/2014 5:39 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
The closest thing to Outlook Express nowadays is Windows Live Mail. It's
part of the Windows Live Essentials, along with a desktop version of
SkyDrive and definitely worth the download.


Oh man! I have Windows Live Essentials on most of my Windows 7 and 8
machines and it is awful. You can't even select multiple newsgroups and
right click and perform options. TB doesn't either. I dunno understand
why software has to go from bad to worse as time goes on?

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Old January 14th 14, 02:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

The closest thing to Outlook Express nowadays is Windows Live Mail.


Yes, it's essentially nothing but the latest version of Outlook
Express, with a completely different name.


There are changes mind you, but it seems to be correct.

It's
part of the Windows Live Essentials, along with a desktop version of
SkyDrive and definitely worth the download.


But I completely disagree with that last phrase. As far as I'm
concerned, Windows Live Mail is the *worst* e-mail program/newsreader
I've ever seen.


It's terrible for newsgroups and its lack of a plug-ins feature puts it as a
distinct disadvantage against Thunderbird but if you use a Hotmail account,
it provides an excellent desktop interface for the webmail provider. Its
Calendar feature alone is worthwhile for me.
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Old January 14th 14, 02:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"BillW50" wrote in message ...

On 1/13/2014 5:39 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
The closest thing to Outlook Express nowadays is Windows Live Mail. It's
part of the Windows Live Essentials, along with a desktop version of
SkyDrive and definitely worth the download.


Oh man! I have Windows Live Essentials on most of my Windows 7 and 8
machines and it is awful. You can't even select multiple newsgroups and
right click and perform options. TB doesn't either. I dunno understand why
software has to go from bad to worse as time goes on?


Because the most vocal users of technology are the ones who demand that
everything be simplified. Power users don't demand change and generally
adapt to whatever is being offered. However, the incredibly stupid users
always want programs to remove the more complex feature and slim everything
down only to what's required and/or most used.
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Old January 14th 14, 03:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 1/13/2014 7:19 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message ...

On 1/13/2014 5:39 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
The closest thing to Outlook Express nowadays is Windows Live Mail. It's
part of the Windows Live Essentials, along with a desktop version of
SkyDrive and definitely worth the download.


Oh man! I have Windows Live Essentials on most of my Windows 7 and 8
machines and it is awful. You can't even select multiple newsgroups
and right click and perform options. TB doesn't either. I dunno
understand why software has to go from bad to worse as time goes on?


Because the most vocal users of technology are the ones who demand that
everything be simplified. Power users don't demand change and generally
adapt to whatever is being offered. However, the incredibly stupid users
always want programs to remove the more complex feature and slim
everything down only to what's required and/or most used.


I want to disagree, but I having a hard time trying too. Well many GUI
applications at first were total crap and got better. How about that?

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  #25  
Old January 14th 14, 09:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Nil wrote, On 1/13/2014 6:19 PM:
On 13 Jan 2014, "...winston" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Nil wrote, On 1/13/2014 2:06 PM:
I just went through a similar exercise a couple of days ago. I
was setting up a Windows 8 computer for a friend whose XP
computer died. I pointed Thunderbird to the old .dbx files, and
it imported them gracefully. I was even offered the choice to
have Windows search catalog the newly made Thunderbird folders.

There's a Thunderbird extension (ImportExportTools) that
supposedly is more flexible. I haven't tried it.


If the op exported the dbx files then Thunderbird wouldn't (nor
could it) be the vehicle used to Export OE's dbx files from OE's
Message store.


Why not? Exporting the OE messages still leaves the dbx files intact.

- Import, yes. Export, No


Yeaaahhh... and? I wasn't talking about that scenario. But since you
bring it up, you can import OE messages into Thunderbird and then
export them to mbox format. I've seen utilities that can break an mbox
file down into separate .eml-like files, if that's whatever this
mysterious "different email program" needs to see.


Outlook Express has two (2) sole export options
- Outlook and Exchange

I'm familiar with other email programs having the ability to 'Import'
OE's DBX files...though in this case, the op did state 'export'
- i.e. OE does not export dbx files, it exports messages from the dbx
files into an existing Outlook or Exchange profile's *.pst file

Hopefully the op (Diane) will provide some additional clarity then
recommendations will take on greater significance.



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Old January 14th 14, 10:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote, On 1/13/2014 6:48 PM:
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 18:39:56 -0500, "Silver Slimer"
wrote:


The closest thing to Outlook Express nowadays is Windows Live Mail.



Yes, it's essentially nothing but the latest version of Outlook
Express, with a completely different name.


It's
part of the Windows Live Essentials, along with a desktop version of
SkyDrive and definitely worth the download.



But I completely disagree with that last phrase. As far as I'm
concerned, Windows Live Mail is the *worst* e-mail program/newsreader
I've ever seen.


Not for Hotmail type accounts (Hotmail, Msn, Live, Outlook.com)...it's
design intent since day one.
- Mirror folders/subfolders and messages online and locally (manual
and automatic synchronization)
- Overrides isp message size limit (message size and attachment) for
pics and video by integration with Photo Gallery/Movie Maker and
SkyDrive via Photo e-mail
- Contacts and Calendar data automatic backup online and locally
- Saves messages as standard eml/nws files and capable of viewing
Subject/Title in Windows Explorer and message content in Explorer's
Preview pane.
- Exports messages as eml/nws files and retains folder/subfolder
format to an Explorer folder on XP through Win8x or directly to Outlook
and Exchange
- Backs up Contacts to csv, vcf files for flexibility across multiple
email programs including 3rd party clients and Windows 7/8 Users\Contacts
- A lot simpler than Outlook (03,07,10) with the Hotmail Connector
- Capable of acting as bridge to get any email account's (POP3, IMAP,
Http/Delta Sync)messages from XP through Win 8 into Win8's mail app for
use/syncrhonization across multiple devices - pc, tablets, phones
- Supports Hotmail account 2 step verification, app password and
Trusted PC (latter on Win7 and upward compatible with all MSFT account
web services on Win8 and the foreseeable future)
- ...the list is a lot longer...and for the 300 million Hotmail type
accounts in use on XP, Vista, Win7 or Win8 it's very viable option for
mail usage. As far as news/nntp - it's doubtful the Hotmail/Outlook.com
user cares much about that.


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Old January 14th 14, 11:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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BillW50 wrote, On 1/13/2014 7:12 PM:
On 1/13/2014 5:39 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
The closest thing to Outlook Express nowadays is Windows Live Mail. It's
part of the Windows Live Essentials, along with a desktop version of
SkyDrive and definitely worth the download.


Oh man! I have Windows Live Essentials on most of my Windows 7 and 8
machines and it is awful. You can't even select multiple newsgroups and
right click and perform options. TB doesn't either. I dunno understand
why software has to go from bad to worse as time goes on?


For WL Essentials 09/11 and Windows Essentials 2013...it's important to
understand the target market - 300 million Hotmail/Live/MSN/Outlook.com
existing users. With China's infrastructure improving the Outlook.com
user quantity will only get bigger. As noted in another thread...its'
doubtful that most of that 1/3 Billion care an iota about newsgroups.

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Old January 14th 14, 03:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"BillW50" wrote in message ...

On 1/13/2014 7:19 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message ...

On 1/13/2014 5:39 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
The closest thing to Outlook Express nowadays is Windows Live Mail.
It's
part of the Windows Live Essentials, along with a desktop version of
SkyDrive and definitely worth the download.

Oh man! I have Windows Live Essentials on most of my Windows 7 and 8
machines and it is awful. You can't even select multiple newsgroups
and right click and perform options. TB doesn't either. I dunno
understand why software has to go from bad to worse as time goes on?


Because the most vocal users of technology are the ones who demand that
everything be simplified. Power users don't demand change and generally
adapt to whatever is being offered. However, the incredibly stupid users
always want programs to remove the more complex feature and slim
everything down only to what's required and/or most used.


I want to disagree, but I having a hard time trying too. Well many GUI
applications at first were total crap and got better. How about that?


Some do, but generally the mass of idiots wins. If a program has too many
features, it's actually deemed too complex rather than being praised for its
large number of features and developers purposely make it simpler. There are
a lot more imbeciles in the world than there are intelligent people and they
are much louder as well.

It doesn't matter that the professionals using the software did not request
any such change. Developers believe that those complaining ARE the
professionals and as such make the software simpler, essentially ****ing off
those who want the features.
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Old January 14th 14, 03:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"...winston" wrote in message ...

For WL Essentials 09/11 and Windows Essentials 2013...it's important to
understand the target market - 300 million Hotmail/Live/MSN/Outlook.com
existing users. With China's infrastructure improving the Outlook.com user
quantity will only get bigger. As noted in another thread...its' doubtful
that most of that 1/3 Billion care an iota about newsgroups.


Agreed. Usenet is essentially dead. The fact that I have to PAY for
newsgroup access on top of paying for my Internet service is evidence that
the protocol is on its way out. It's a shame considering that web forums are
generally slow.
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Old January 14th 14, 04:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 09:18:02 -0500, "Silver Slimer"
wrote:

Agreed. Usenet is essentially dead.



I don't think it's dead yet, but it's certainly dying. In few more
years, it will probably be gone almost completely.



The fact that I have to PAY for
newsgroup access on top of paying for my Internet service is evidence that
the protocol is on its way out.





You don't have to pay for it. There are several free (text-only) news
servers: eternal-september.org and aioe.org are both good.




 




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