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Old March 7th 16, 09:48 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
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winston=e2=80=ab?= writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes:

Publisher, imo, isn't a bad program, but just too complex and
not-intuitive
thus a much deeper learning curve...once understood it's benefits are
integration with the other Office suite products.


I had no idea it still existed as a current product; what exactly does
it _do_? (But then I've not grasped the point of OneNote either, or at
least understood why it's worth the bother.)


OneNote in the simplest definition is Notepad on steroids and then some.
- think of it as a digital based notebook(personal information
management, aka PIM) capable of handwritten or typed text, drawing,
graphics and audio that can automatically save and syncrhonize
notes/data.

OK, so it's useful to tablet users, and those of a mindset very
different from mine regarding how to manage things.

I still don't know what Publisher does though (-:

No, it's been part of Office for at least the last four(4, yes 4) Office
versions first appearing in Office 2003.
Not sure how you arrived at the tablet specific perception.


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Old March 7th 16, 04:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote on 3/7/2016 2:36 AM:
In message , Ed Mullen
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Blue Citizen wrote on 3/6/2016 6:37 PM:


"J. P. Gilliver (John)" escreveu na mensagem
...

"Can a blue man sing the whites?"

Safe kids sometimes want adventure.

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Oh, God! I'm stealing that for my sig file! Thanks!

The "blue man" bit was from me (though I've got it from somewhere else),
the "Safe kids" was from Blue Citizen.


I meant the "blue man" one. :-)

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Old March 7th 16, 05:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 01:48:37 -0700, ...winston?
wrote:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:


I still don't know what Publisher does though (-:


No, it's been part of Office for at least the last four(4, yes 4) Office
versions first appearing in Office 2003.
Not sure how you arrived at the tablet specific perception.




Actually, it's been in (some editions ) of Office for considerably
longer--in Office 97 it was in the Small Business Edition.

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Old March 8th 16, 09:36 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 01:48:37 -0700, ...winston?
wrote:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:


I still don't know what Publisher does though (-:


No, it's been part of Office for at least the last four(4, yes 4) Office
versions first appearing in Office 2003.
Not sure how you arrived at the tablet specific perception.




Actually, it's been in (some editions ) of Office for considerably
longer--in Office 97 it was in the Small Business Edition.

The key to my reply was J.P.'s reply(which I mistakenly snipped) to my
OneNote explanation where his/her reply commented that OneNote was
'useful to tablet users'.

cf. J.P.'s comment about OneNote
qp
OK, so it's useful to tablet users, and those of a mindset very
different from mine regarding how to manage things.
/qp

Thus my follow-up that OneNote(and correctly) first appeared in Office
2003 not tablet specific.

Yes, you are correct on Publisher - first appearing in Office 97 as
Publisher 98(aka 8.5).


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Old March 8th 16, 04:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general, alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/6/16 10:13 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
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winston=e2=80=ab?= writes:
Ken Springer wrote:

[]
I used Publisher back in the days when MS was trying to sell it as a
stand alone product along side Office Professional 4.3. Some of the

[]
FWIW, Publisher isn't anything to be proud of. Quite a few programs do
more, and more easily, than Publisher. One, at least, is free. G


Publisher, imo, isn't a bad program, but just too complex and not-intuitive
thus a much deeper learning curve...once understood it's benefits are
integration with the other Office suite products.


I had no idea it still existed as a current product; what exactly does
it _do_? (But then I've not grasped the point of OneNote either, or at
least understood why it's worth the bother.)


Publisher is a page layout program in the vein of Quark Express,
Pagemaker, and others.


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  #51  
Old March 8th 16, 10:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes:

[]
OneNote in the simplest definition is Notepad on steroids and then some.
- think of it as a digital based notebook(personal information
management, aka PIM) capable of handwritten or typed text, drawing,

[]
I still don't know what Publisher does though (-:

No, it's been part of Office for at least the last four(4, yes 4)
Office versions first appearing in Office 2003.
Not sure how you arrived at the tablet specific perception.


The handwritten text bit. I don't think I'm likely to use handwriting on
anything with a keyboard - my writing's too bad (-:.
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  #52  
Old March 8th 16, 10:06 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 3/6/16 10:13 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
I had no idea it still existed as a current product; what exactly does
it _do_? (But then I've not grasped the point of OneNote either, or at
least understood why it's worth the bother.)


Publisher is a page layout program in the vein of Quark Express,
Pagemaker, and others.


Thanks. I thought it was something like that (though I don't know the
last two either). I presume it's more powerful at that than Word etc.'s
own layout abilities.
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I don't see the requirement to upset people. ... There's enough to make fun of
without offending. - Ronnie Corbett, in Radio Times 6-12 August 2011.
  #53  
Old March 9th 16, 03:29 AM posted to alt.windows7.general, alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/8/16 2:06 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 3/6/16 10:13 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
I had no idea it still existed as a current product; what exactly does
it _do_? (But then I've not grasped the point of OneNote either, or at
least understood why it's worth the bother.)


Publisher is a page layout program in the vein of Quark Express,
Pagemaker, and others.


Thanks. I thought it was something like that (though I don't know the
last two either). I presume it's more powerful at that than Word etc.'s
own layout abilities.


Quark Express and Pagemaker (now part of CS 7? from Adobe. There are
others just as good as these two, and a variety all the way down to
Publisher. Even a free one called Scribus. Others I know of are
Calamus, Pagestream, Serif Page Plus, Apple's Pages (layout option
probably similar to Word's). Not familiar at all with what's available
in the Apple world other than top of the line and Pages.

I've not played with Word's layout abilities, but can't imagine it's too
impressive. Make me wonder if MS is planning to put the plug on Publisher.


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  #54  
Old March 9th 16, 04:08 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 19:29:29 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 3/8/16 2:06 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 3/6/16 10:13 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
I had no idea it still existed as a current product; what exactly does
it _do_? (But then I've not grasped the point of OneNote either, or at
least understood why it's worth the bother.)

Publisher is a page layout program in the vein of Quark Express,
Pagemaker, and others.


Thanks. I thought it was something like that (though I don't know the
last two either). I presume it's more powerful at that than Word etc.'s
own layout abilities.


Quark Express and Pagemaker (now part of CS 7? from Adobe. There are
others just as good as these two, and a variety all the way down to
Publisher. Even a free one called Scribus. Others I know of are
Calamus, Pagestream, Serif Page Plus, Apple's Pages (layout option
probably similar to Word's). Not familiar at all with what's available
in the Apple world other than top of the line and Pages.

I've not played with Word's layout abilities, but can't imagine it's too
impressive. Make me wonder if MS is planning to put the plug on Publisher.




It's been a number of years now, but I used to publish three
newsletters (one of them usually ran around 40 pages) for
organizations I belonged to. I used WordPerfect to produce them, and
it worked very well for me. Would Pagemaker or one of the other top
publishing programs have done a better job? Probably, but it would
have been a much greater effort for me to learn it.

Would Microsoft Publisher have done a better job than WordPerfect?
Possibly, but I doubt it.


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Old March 9th 16, 02:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general, alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/8/16 8:08 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 19:29:29 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 3/8/16 2:06 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 3/6/16 10:13 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
I had no idea it still existed as a current product; what exactly does
it _do_? (But then I've not grasped the point of OneNote either, or at
least understood why it's worth the bother.)

Publisher is a page layout program in the vein of Quark Express,
Pagemaker, and others.


Thanks. I thought it was something like that (though I don't know the
last two either). I presume it's more powerful at that than Word etc.'s
own layout abilities.


Quark Express and Pagemaker (now part of CS 7? from Adobe. There are
others just as good as these two, and a variety all the way down to
Publisher. Even a free one called Scribus. Others I know of are
Calamus, Pagestream, Serif Page Plus, Apple's Pages (layout option
probably similar to Word's). Not familiar at all with what's available
in the Apple world other than top of the line and Pages.

I've not played with Word's layout abilities, but can't imagine it's too
impressive. Make me wonder if MS is planning to put the plug on Publisher.




It's been a number of years now, but I used to publish three
newsletters (one of them usually ran around 40 pages) for
organizations I belonged to. I used WordPerfect to produce them, and
it worked very well for me. Would Pagemaker or one of the other top
publishing programs have done a better job? Probably, but it would
have been a much greater effort for me to learn it.


I'm constantly amazed by people. If I were to talk about photo editing,
people immediately think they have to have Photoshop, followed
immediately "It's so expensive." Why don't people say "I wonder if
there's something else that will do what I need and is cheaper?"

The same effect seems to affect every other category of software. CAD?
AutoCad. Office Suite? MS Office. Vector drawing? Corel Draw (for
those that know anything about vector drawing.) And so on.

I haven't used much commercial software in years. There's always a
free/shareware/inexpensive program out there that meets my needs.

Would Microsoft Publisher have done a better job than WordPerfect?
Possibly, but I doubt it.


Agreed. A crayon could do better than Publisher. Now you know what I
think of it. LOL



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Old March 9th 16, 09:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2016 19:29:29 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 3/8/16 2:06 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 3/6/16 10:13 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
I had no idea it still existed as a current product; what exactly does
it _do_? (But then I've not grasped the point of OneNote either, or at
least understood why it's worth the bother.)

Publisher is a page layout program in the vein of Quark Express,
Pagemaker, and others.


Thanks. I thought it was something like that (though I don't know the
last two either). I presume it's more powerful at that than Word etc.'s
own layout abilities.


Quark Express and Pagemaker (now part of CS 7? from Adobe. There are
others just as good as these two, and a variety all the way down to
Publisher. Even a free one called Scribus. Others I know of are
Calamus, Pagestream, Serif Page Plus, Apple's Pages (layout option
probably similar to Word's). Not familiar at all with what's available
in the Apple world other than top of the line and Pages.

I've not played with Word's layout abilities, but can't imagine it's too
impressive. Make me wonder if MS is planning to put the plug on Publisher.




It's been a number of years now, but I used to publish three
newsletters (one of them usually ran around 40 pages) for
organizations I belonged to. I used WordPerfect to produce them, and
it worked very well for me. Would Pagemaker or one of the other top
publishing programs have done a better job? Probably, but it would
have been a much greater effort for me to learn it.

Would Microsoft Publisher have done a better job than WordPerfect?
Possibly, but I doubt it.



Personally, I'm glad I never had to learn Publisher - it's way too
complicated for my time. In the same light, I've had quite a few
administrative assistants work for me that were Publisher wizards
integrating Word, Excel, Access, Visio and PowerPoint data into
Publisher documents. I doubt they could have done the same as easily
with WordPerfect or, Word or any word processor.



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Old March 10th 16, 03:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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=?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?=
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I've had quite a few administrative assistants work for me


Oh yeah, the MVP of Dumbass gets administrative assistants... because
he has so much dumbass he can't possibly operate without assistance.

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Old March 11th 16, 11:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Bucky Breeder wrote:
=?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?=
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I've had quite a few administrative assistants work for me


Oh yeah, the MVP of Dumbass gets administrative assistants... because
he has so much dumbass he can't possibly operate without assistance.


Jealous. One day you might have assistants too, but being stuck in the
mail room sorting junk mail seems right for your qualifications. Keep
up the good work, you might even get promoted to stamp-licker one day

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Old March 11th 16, 01:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general, alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/11/16 3:11 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Bucky Breeder wrote:
=?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?=
posted this via :

I've had quite a few administrative assistants work for me


Oh yeah, the MVP of Dumbass gets administrative assistants... because
he has so much dumbass he can't possibly operate without assistance.


Jealous. One day you might have assistants too, but being stuck in the
mail room sorting junk mail seems right for your qualifications. Keep
up the good work, you might even get promoted to stamp-licker one day


Haven't you heard? Stamps are disappearing, so the grunt stamp-lickers
like Bucky will simply be let go. I doubt if he qualifies for the
position of Senior Stamp-licker.


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Old March 11th 16, 02:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 03:11:09 -0700
....winston‫ wrote:

Bucky Breeder wrote:
=?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?=
posted this via :

I've had quite a few administrative assistants work for me


Oh yeah, the MVP of Dumbass gets administrative assistants...
because he has so much dumbass he can't possibly operate without
assistance.


Jealous. One day you might have assistants too, but being stuck in
the mail room sorting junk mail seems right for your qualifications.
Keep up the good work, you might even get promoted to stamp-licker
one day


You act just like the big eared mullato in the White House.

 




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